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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 10:35 PM
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Differences in Liberal Versus Conservative “Morality” and the Politics of Morality
One of the stupidest poll questions I’ve ever seen is where voters are asked to rank the issues which most determined their vote, and “moral values” is one of the choices. When someone says that “moral values” is his/her top priority, that means virtually nothing about that person, since “moral values” means entirely different things to different people.

In particular, liberals and conservatives have very different perceptions of what is moral and what isn’t, and I have often wondered why that is. A book that I read recently, “Whose Freedom? – The Battle over America’s Most Important Idea”, helped to clarify this issue for me. The author of the book is George Lakoff, a Professor of Cognitive Science and Linguistics. Though I don’t agree with some things that he says, I did gain some important insight about morality (and other things as well) from reading his book.


The source of morality

Lakoff asserts that empathy is the source of morality. I don’t recall if I’d ever thought about it like that before, but after thinking about that statement I concluded that I agree with it. I’m not sure I’d say that it’s the only source of morality, but I do believe that it’s the most important source.

If you think about it, what else could be more important in facilitating one to lead a moral life? Empathy is the ability and the will to put yourself in another person’s shoes and understand and care about how that person feels in various circumstances. In short, it is highly related to caring about other people – or maybe it’s the same thing. Can you imagine a person without any empathy at all leading a moral life? I can’t. And can you imagine a person with a great deal of empathy doing the kinds of things that George Bush and Dick Cheney do? I can’t do that either.


How the source of morality differs between liberals and conservatives

I don’t usually like to speak in stereotypes, and I’m sure that there are some people who consider themselves to be conservatives who feel that what I have to say about conservative morality doesn’t fit them. But I think it’s fair to say that, in general, liberals and conservatives have some very different concepts of morality.

In general, liberals perceive and live by the type of morality that is derived from empathy. For example, most liberals are in favor of government providing more opportunities for poor people than is currently the case. Why? Because we try to put ourselves in the shoes of people who are hungry, don’t have the means for a decent education, and who live miserable lives. We wonder how we would cope with such a situation. And thinking about that makes us want to change our country in ways that would provide more opportunities for people to make a decent life for themselves.

The other major conception of morality, more typical of conservatives, is the type where an infallible Authority sets moral standards which are set in stone and against which one dare not argue. For some, the infallible Authority is a parent (though they may not recognize this). Others feel that their country proclaims what is moral – which is why some people actively or passively support any war that their country declares. And other people believe that the source of all morality is God*. What all these people have in common is that they accept the word of an “Authority” as to what is moral and what isn’t. If God (or God’s spokesman on Earth or their father or their president) says that it is the right thing to do, then it must be the right thing to do. Even questioning the word of the “Authority” is blasphemy or evil.

How do these people know that their authority figure is right? Faith. It’s not something they have to think about or even should think about. It reminds me of a Bible study group that I once attended. The host read passages from the Bible and then asked the group if they agreed with the passages. Invariably they all did. The host would then ask them why they agreed with it. The answer was always the same: Because Jesus said so. Needless to say, I never went back to that study group.

* This is not meant as a criticism of Christianity or any other religion. I realize that many Christians and other religious people are liberals. Lakoff says that most Christians are progressives. In fact, Jesus was a liberal. Whether liberal Christians believe that the source of morality is empathy or God is not something that I can answer.


Complex causation

The relationship between complex causation (Lakoff calls it systemic causation) and morality is another issue where liberals and conservatives tend to differ. Most things are the result of numerous causes, rather than a single cause. Furthermore, true explanations of the causes of many things are likely to be so complex that it is difficult to explain them accurately. For example, the number one cause of death in the United States is heart attacks. Causes of heart attacks include smoking, obesity, high blood pressure, genetics, high cholesterol, and lack of exercise, among other things. And in none of these cases is the cause direct, but rather the causes of heart attacks act alone or in concert with other causes to produces a chain of events that eventually leads to a heart attack.

Liberals tend to think more in terms of complex causation than conservatives do. For example, many liberals are concerned about global warming and believe that governments should take actions to reduce it, even if that means intervening in the economy. We also think about how our own individual actions contribute to global warming, and so are more likely to buy fuel efficient cars than are conservatives. Lakoff explains that most conservatives have trouble thinking in these terms. They don’t see a direct connection between their own hydrocarbon producing activities and global warming, with the attendant catastrophes that it is likely to eventually lead to. Consequently, most of them don’t consider their own individual contributions to global warming to have anything to do with morality.


The common denominator in the difference between liberal and conservative perceptions of morality

Thus the primary difference between liberal and conservative morality is that liberal morality requires a good deal of mental effort. First, it requires effort to understand how other people feel, especially how one’s actions impact other people. It can require actually feeling another person’s pain. And, it requires consideration of the long term effects of one’s actions. The relevant issues are often tremendously complex.

An extreme example of this comes from a recent interview that Bill Moyers did with Keith Olbermann. Moyers asked how Olbermann initially decided to do his scathing “special comments” on the Bush administration. Keith explained that the last straw for him was when he heard Dick Cheney publicly accuse those who criticize the Bush administration of being “appeasers”, comparing them to Neville Chamberlain’s appeasing of Hitler in 1938. He (Olbermann) believed at that point that the Bush administration’s lying and demonizing of its political opponents had reached a point where they presented a grave danger to our country. His first thought was that someone with a platform for counteracting that dangerous rhetoric ought to say something about it to the American people. Then he realized, “Hey, I have such a platform”. It would have been easy for him to rationalize that there was no reason why he had to be the only TV news journalist in the world to counteract the Bush administration publicly. But he saw something that needed to be done for the good of his country and the world, and he realized that if he didn’t do it, it probably wouldn’t be done. So he risked his career and perhaps his life to do what he believed was the right thing to do. And all of that is consistent with his stated view on morality, from a 1998 speech: “Life is defined by how much you improve the lives of others”.

Conservative morality on the other hand may not require much thought at all. It’s whatever the Authority says it is, which is often reduced to a simple formula. In Germany in the 1930s morality was rounding up Jews and other “undesirables” and sending them to concentration camps. In 21st Century United States it’s killing hundreds of thousands of Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, and possibly Iran, kidnapping them, imprisoning them indefinitely without charges or trial, and torturing them.


Arguments about morality

It is nearly impossible to argue about conservative morality because of the circular nature of its justification. For those who believe that morality is what God says it is, how do you argue with them? If you ask them how they know that the Bible’s view of morality is right, they will tell you that their faith tells them that it is. There is no plausible response to that. Those who believe that morality comes from their nation’s Leader (i.e. the nationalists) will simply explain their acquiescence to the Leader as “patriotism”, as if that explains why their Leader’s numerous war plans are moral. And as for those whose parents are the Authority on morality (though they probably don’t recognize that to be the case), if you try to argue with them about a moral issue they probably won’t have the slightest idea what you’re talking about, since they simply can’t understand how anyone could have views on the subject that differ from their own.

Since liberal morality, on the other hand, is derived from real world experience, trying to understand other people, and reasoning, moral issues can be discussed and argued about. For example, in debating whether or not it is moral to assist another person in committing suicide, one can discuss how one’s decision will impact the well being of that person.


How do I know that morality isn’t handed down from an infallible Authority?

It may seem arrogant of me to argue that liberal morality is superior to conservative morality. How do I know that moral standards aren’t down from an infallible Authority, as many conservatives believe? Well, I don’t know that. All I know is that I have the mental capacity to emphasize with people to some extent, I have reasoning abilities, and I have experiences in interacting with people and observing my effects on them. So why not use all those capacities to decide for myself what is moral and what isn’t? It just seems far preferable to me, as compared with taking some Authority’s word for it.

On the other hand, there are situations when a person just doesn’t know what the right course of action is. When a person lacks confidence in his/her ability to decide on the right course of action, perhaps relying on some authority figure is the best alternative available.


My personal opinion of conservative moral values

I guess it’s apparent by now that I don’t care for the conservative version of morality. I’ve always been like that as far back as I can remember. When I was a child, my dad, who was fairly liberal and a psychologist, explained to me that a child’s moral values are determined mostly by his/her parents. I resented that, and I argued with him about it, telling him that morality made no sense to me unless it came from within myself.

Lakoff seems to me to have ambivalent feelings towards conservative morality. Though he obviously far prefers liberal morality, throughout most of his book, when he talked about the way that conservatives see the world he tried to adopt a neutral, objective attitude towards them. But every once in a while his true feelings for them came through, as he went off on a rant:

So-called pro-life conservatives are typically in favor of the death penalty… They favor conservative policies that result in America having the highest infant mortality rate in the industrialized world… These deaths are a result of conservative policies against prenatal and postnatal care, universal child health insurance…, Medicaid…

If they were really pro-life… they would support programs for pre- and postnatal care, health care for all children, programs to feed and house the hungry and homeless, antipollution programs, and safe food programs. Instead, they let strict father morality dominate over issues of life – that the poor are responsible for their own poverty and that they and their innocent children should suffer for it, and that government should not interfere with corporate profits through public health regulations for clean air and water.

Like Lakoff, I have some ambivalent attitudes on this matter. I agree with his rants to a large extent. But I don’t believe that they fits all people who exhibit conservative morality. On the one hand, conservative morality drives me crazy and enrages me. I believe that it makes an important contribution to violence and wars, and therefore it is one of the major scourges of humankind. But on the other hand, I personally know some people who exhibit a conservative type morality whom I believe to be good and decent people. Enough said about that. I just don’t want what I’ve said here to be taken as a blanket condemnation of conservative morality. This is a very complex issue.


The politics of “morality”

If you are convinced that moral standards are handed down by some invincible Authority, whether it be God, your country, or whatever, imagine how you might view people who have their own independent ideas regarding morality. You might view persons who proclaim to be capable of exercising independent thought on the subject as being arrogant and virtually lacking in morals. Consequently, you might view them as extremely dangerous, to yourself, your family and your country.

The leaders of the Republican Party are quite aware of these kinds of feelings, and they have taken advantage of them to constantly fuel the fear and passions of their constituency. In addition, the Republican Party elites have their own reasons for hostility to those who proclaim themselves to be capable of independent thought. If you exercise independent thought, especially with respect to morality, then you are probably going to be difficult to control. You’re the kind of person who might protest against your government if you observed it doing bad things. This kind of attitude is very threatening to conservative elites who wish to proceed with their plans with a minimum of interference.

Thus it has come about that the Republican Party has been anointed as the Party of “moral values” or “family values” or whatever they call it. Much of this can be attributed to our corporate news media, which appreciates the pro-corporate positions that the Republican Party always takes. It is also largely attributed to the smooth coordination and repetition of Republican talking points, which constantly emphasize the high “moral” standards of the Republican Party.

Proclaiming oneself to be highly “moral” is a little bit like proclaiming oneself to be honest. It says nothing about what your opinions or plans are. In fact, it says nothing at all. There is no positive correlation between those who proclaim themselves to be moral and those who actually are moral. In fact, there’s probably a negative correlation. The more immoral a politician is, the more that person would need to proclaim his or her morality. Any person who votes for a candidate based on frequent proclamations of the candidate’s morality or religiosity probably voted twice for George W. Bush and is extremely naïve. If more of us learn that lesson we’ll start electing better people to represent us.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 10:49 PM
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1. Lakoff is wrong if he claims empathy is the basis of morality
All morality is relative; empathy is only one of many foundations. Social Darwinists would argue empathy is actually a bad foundation for morality; belief in survival of the strongest is a better moral foundation, they would argue. Nietzsche didn't much care for empathy as a moral basis, either; morality is really irrelevant in his worldview.

I don't think a lot of the corporate Republicans are religious; their morality is probably more shaped by Social Darwinism than religious dogma. Hey, the Nazis probably considered themselves the most moral people too, though no one would call them empathic.

The bottom line is that likely the only ones who view empathy as a moral foundation are liberals; there just doesn't seem to be much empathy in the conservative mindset. John Dean's comments on authoritarian conservatives suggests some of them may view morality as doing what you are told; not much role for empathy there.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:05 AM
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3. I don't understand on what basis you claim that Lakoff is wrong about empathy
You note some people who disagree with him. And then you say that liberals are the only ones who agree with him, and that conservatives completely disagree with him.

So what makes you think that liberals are wrong about that, other than the fact that conservatives disagree with them?
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joe_sixpack Donating Member (655 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 10:56 PM
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2. Isn't the biblical basis of morality
based heavily on the golden rule, i.e. doing unto others etc.? That's a pretty good example of empathy, if you ask me.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 06:33 AM
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4. The Golden Rule is a moral standard that is closely related to empathy
People who use the Bible as their guide to morality use it in different ways. Those who emphasize the Golden Rule and live by it are mostly liberals IMO. I don't know whether those people follow the Golden Rule because of their empathy or because the Bible says to do it. Maybe they do it for both reasons, and others as well.

Then there are other people who quote the Bible as an excuse for war or marginalizing or demonizing women and homosexuals. That's what people such as Jerry Falwell do. The Crusades were massive atrocities that were justified in the name of God. My personal opinion is that religion didn't actually inspire the Crusades, but rather religion was used as an excuse to carry them out. But it's very possible that both were involved.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:08 PM
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8. The only problem with the Golden Rule

...is that there are too many masochists who live by it.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 09:32 AM
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5. I think morality does require empathy and that empathy must be taught to children. That's
where my repugnance to 'fundamentalism' comes into play. It's based on 'authoritarianism' and that to teach children anything but the 'rules' is turning them over to the devil.

Good essay. Our belief that empathy helps to set morality is why we're the liberals.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:47 AM
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6. Thank you -- I think that teaching children that morality is all about and only about
following the rules handed down by some authority figure is to try to make unthinking robots out of them and stifle their humanity.
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sk8rrobert2 Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:11 PM
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16. Completely agree...anyone here speak sheep
BAAAcause thats wat would be needed if the world only had those non-thinkers. IMO the best life rule is to put people to the test and see if they can justify their opinion.
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joe_sixpack Donating Member (655 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:04 PM
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7. It is a mistake, imho
to believe that every conservative gets his or her morality standard from religion. Many of the conservatives I come across aren't very religious, at least outwardly. The most powerful force for a sense of morality probably comes from one's parents. Many of society's institutions also impart a moral code on their members. I've been associated with the military for a large part of my life and it too has a code or standard that tends to rub off on you after a while.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:27 PM
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9. I absolutely agree that not every conservative gets his or her morality standard from religion
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Smith_3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:45 PM
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10. Actually I've heard conservatives claim that liberals have issues with their fathers !
In other words: If you are able to admit to yourself that your father is a looser, you are more likely to be a liberal. If you think he is all that and then some despite the fact that he is a drunk, then you are probably a conservative...
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 03:36 PM
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11. I never heard that
Does that have something to do with conservatives' vulnerability to authority figures?
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Smith_3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 03:38 PM
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12. I guess so. Actually it was some discussion on the site that must not be named...
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 03:38 PM by Smith_3
... that I lurked into, and it was really weird because I could not distinguish wether they were talking about an actual father or something religious :shrug:
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 07:22 PM
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13. I see
Welcome to DU Smith :toast:
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Larry Ogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 07:57 PM
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14. When trying to define what constitutes “morals” one must look at a combination of several
influencing factors which include, evolution and genetics, the external influence of environment, family, cultural and religion passed on from generation to generation, and then of course you need some sort of language to interpret it all. Its interesting that Lakoff asserts “that empathy is the source of morality.”, and the link you gave to empathy states, “Anyone not capable of empathy is regarded as a sociopath, someone not to be trusted.” .

If sociopath / psychopath is a genetic abnormality that renders the individual incapable of feelings such as empathy, then I could say the source of empathy is genetic, and I could go one step further than Lakoff and say genetics is the source of morals, but as I previously stated, there are several influencing factors of which genetics is but one. That lump in your throat or knot in your belly feeling that accompanies moments of deep empathy might be more instinctual than it is learned, it’s the effect of the natural world as it is playing out within our conscience, you could say it’s the genetic foundation that knows right from wrong, ware we store and build the morals of our character which are latter learned, first from our family and then from culture and religion passed on from generation to generation.

Some times it just isn’t enough to “have a good sense of right or wrong”, (we’ve all heard that term before). When you add to the mix the influences of the evil known as the psychopath, who does not like the moralizing limitations placed on them by normal peoples conscience, things begin to go awry . Normal people are all basically good and want to do good things for all, but the short coming of normal people is that they believe all people are created equally and are basically good, but that is simply not the case. Psychopath is the exception to the rule, and psychopath is the seed of evil looking for fertile ground in a world dominated by moralizing normal people with moral laws that simply get in the way and restrict the goals of the psychopaths who consider themselves superior to normal people who are limited by their conscience. So psychopath, in order to create the world in their image, a world ware psychopath is the master and normal people are their slaves, becomes yet another external influence in the creation of what normal people call morals. Incidentally it is estimated that 6 % of the worlds population are genetic psychopaths.

Consider for a moment, it takes years of training for a normal person to become a psychologist, and then it takes years of experience and practice for that person to develop an understanding and an intuitive feel for what is going on in a patients mind. But for the psychopath who’s brain is genetically void of conscience, there is an instinctive awareness of its (conscience) presents and how it works in normal people, in fact they are so aware of the conscience in normal people they can tell if a person walking down the street is a psychopath like themselves, with no conscience, and they are drawn together like drops of oil in a bowl full of water.

So how do psychopaths influence what society considers moral or immoral? First of all the have to get into positions of authority because people are properly conditioned to listen to persons of authority such as politicians and clergy. Now once in these positions their only limitations would be their sphere of influence. The influence and damage caused by a psychopath congressman would be considered miniscule in comparison to the influence and damage caused by a psychopath head of state, or a psychopath that controls the heads of state via great wealth. But its these little influences, and the goal, that slowly eroded the long established good and sensible moral values and laws, making it possible for a psychopath wrapped in a flag and holding a cross too steal two elections and the White House, and to redefine the moral standards and laws once considered sacred in America, significantly enough to divide the country. Has it been enough to conquer? That is something to few are knowledgeable enough to ask, and fewer who are knowledgeable enough to answer…

Much of my understanding of this subject has been learned from the book http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/political_ponerology_lobaczewski.htm">Political Ponerology: A Science on The Nature of Evil adjusted for Political Purposes by Andrew M. Lobachevski. I haven’t even scratched the surface of the “moral” discussion presented in the book because there are a lot of related concepts that need to be understood, witch is a whole chapter of the book. One needs to understand the conditions of normal people witch open the doors to psychopaths influence, the book will go into the great and amazing detail…

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 09:23 PM
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15. This subject has long been of great interest to me
I've read numerous books on the subject of evil, and few of them agree with each other. It remains a great mystery to me. I've ordered Political Ponerology, and I very much look forward to reading it. It had nothing but 5 star ratings at Amazon.
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Larry Ogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:19 PM
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17. It is truly a phenomenal book and I’m sure you wont be disappointed…
Lobachevski talks about the important value of this book being in the hands of historians.

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