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Dangerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:35 AM
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The Kurds have been double crossed.
US backs Turkish airstrikes in Kurdish region in Iraq:
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22935402-5005961,00.html
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:36 AM
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1. The Kurds have always been double crossed.
They expect nothing less. It has been this way for hundreds of years.
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:52 AM
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7. They should put a double cross on their flag.
OTOH, an Armenian friend spoke dismissively of the Kurds, calling them the bagmen of the Turks. It's a hornets' nest over there.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:30 PM
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11. Your friend has a point.
The Turks used the Kurds to help get rid of the Armenians, back at the end of the Ottoman empire and the start of the modern republic.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:37 AM
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2. You mean, again. G.H.W. Bush abandoned them, too.
I'm amazed they were so easily duped by his retarded son.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:37 AM
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3. You still have time to add "again" to the end of your thread title. Maybe you should.
I can recall us fucking them over rather badly the last time we invaded the region in the early 90's.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:40 AM
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4. Again..
Gulf war 1 is something they remember..and the whole "gassing" issue too..

People should learn from our past expedriences.. our government is NOT to be trusted..
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:42 AM
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5. Hope everyone enjoyed the 'peaceful' interlude
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 10:42 AM by loindelrio
Collapse of Maliki government (such as it is) followed by round two of the Iraq civil war, US petroleum shortages, US banking collapses, renewed cold war with Russia. Yep, 2008 looks like it's gonna be a real sweetheart.

Juan Cole on Kurd attacks

http://www.juancole.com/

Ann Scott Tyson and Robin Wright of WaPo confirm from Washington sources that the US provided to the Turkish government 'real time intelligence' on Kurdish Workers Party guerrillas holed up in Iraq. That is what Turkish Chief of Staff Yasar Buyukanit had alleged in the wake of Turkish bombing of Iraqi territory. Since the Kurdistan Regional Authority led by Massoud Barzani tacitly supports the PKK, which the US considers a terrorist organization, this provision to Ankara of intelligence from Iraq has to be going by way of Mosul and Baghdad. I.e. the Shiite al-Maliki government and perhaps Shiite Turkmen opposed to the Kurds must be involved in all this somehow. The ominous thing is that the cooperation of former prime minister Ibrahim Jaafari with Turkey on the issue of whether oil-rich Kirkuk province would be joined to the Kurdistan Regional Authority was among the causes for the collapse of his government and his replacement with Nuri al-Maliki. Al-Maliki has very little support in parliament and if the Kurdish deputies start voting against him, his government would be unlikely to survive, at least as a parliamentary regime (he could continue his current pattern of authoritarian rule by cabinet with reference to parliament in theory, though even that might become difficult for him without Kurdish support).

The danger of a US confrontation with Barzani over the PKK, and its implications for the stability of the al-Maliki government, may be among the reasons for US Secretary of State Condi Rice's surprise visit to Kirkuk. The Bush administration is underlining a recent political breakthrough in the oil-rich province, whereby the Arab representatives on the provincial council elected in January 2005 have agreed to stop their boycott of the council in return for Kurdish acquiescence in the appointment of Arabs in provincial government positions. But that agreement is fragile, and wrangling between Kurds and Arabs over other issues such as PKK provocations against neighboring Turkey could pull it apart. Kirkuk province also has a substantial Turkmen population, some large portion of which opposes incorporation of Kirkuk into the Kurdistan Regional Authority.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:45 AM
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6. Weren't the Kurds being gassed one of the reasons given for ousting and hanging Saddam?
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:01 AM
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8. Yes, but the only way to stabilize the country
is to install a new strong-man, "Saddam-like", who will rule by terra. Including hammering the Kurds.

If we bust up the country and create "Kurdistan", then the Turks will go crazy and invade in force.

We hanged the only guy who could keep the lid on the place AND was willing to negotiate
:rofl:

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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:53 AM
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9. the Kurds wouldn't go to Baghdad to see Rice - said no, stood her up
nt
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:53 AM
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10. not the first time. n/t
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:33 PM
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12. Well, many have said it but... AGAIN?
I'm sure they didn't expect any different, and that in itself is telling.
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tuckessee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:41 PM
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13. What did they expect?
Americans always either double cross or abandon their allies/lackeys/puppets/pawns.
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