Vista sucks

[wilt the stilt]

Here's a laugh

http://blimptv.blogspot.com/2007/11/vista-sucks.html

[Deja Q]

1. But all those "other brown skinned people" made it

:hide:


(note, two things:
1. This response was sarcasm.
2. Contextual bafflegab on the debate over offshoring )

[Snarkturian Clone]

49. My reply has nothing to do with your message or this subject.

Overdrawn At Memory Bank!!!!! PBS-made movie! Took place in the future in the city of BosNyWash!!

[Danger Mouse]

75. best episode of mst3k ever

[walldude]

2. That was hilarious.. K&R for Windows CE-ME-NT

Windows Cement :spray:

[Cronus Protagonist]

3. Funny, I have Vista and it's pretty darnn good

I can only surmise the complainers are running sub-standard hardware with poor or non-existent driver support for Vista.

[wilt the stilt]

4. I have Vista

and compared to XP it sucks. I bought 3 laptops and I think it is slow

[Cronus Protagonist]

14. Sorry to hear it - I don't use laptops

I wonder if, with all the specialized hardware inside laptops that it's likely the drivers that are causing the problems, the drivers not being written by Microsoft, but by the hardware vendors. I know for sure that my hardware vendors are dragging their feet on Vista drivers.

[Romulox]

5. Why should you need super-duper hardware to read email or surf the net?

The heaviest lifting my computer does is MS Word. My guess is that I'm in the majority.

[Deja Q]

9. As a fan of Office 2007,

the enhancements that make actual use of CPU power are beneficial. Or, rather, I appreciated them...

But there is a lot in Vista I'll never see or know why it's there; and I do everything from word processing to database tinkering to virtual machine deployment/testing to games to 3D rendering...

Vista is 50/50 overall... I'm hoping SP1 or the inevitable SP1a will put things to rights...

[Cronus Protagonist]

10. You're probably right

You could use something from Fisher-Price and have less to complain about.

[Romulox]

16. Oh Noes! He questioned my computer manhood!

Well, there's nothing for it but to whip 'em out and measure 'em!

:rofl:

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

[Cronus Protagonist]

20. No I didn't, you said you didn't need much computing power for your use

And it's true that you could use a device instead of a computer for surfing and email... Sears made a fridge with a screen in it that might suit you better than a computer.

:P

[Deja Q]

22. And since he's talking about manhood, check out page 602 of Sears' catalog

(albeit from 1975...)

[Romulox]

29. (The irony here is that MS Word 2004 runs under emulation ("rosetta") under OSX)

and thus requires quite a bit more of my computer's resources to run than you might otherwise expect.

But it still does not excuse the comic book guy's posts, supra.

[Clark2008]

87. Not sure if you're quoting a joke, but there is no Word 2004.

Office is 2003 or 2007.

If that's a quote from a joke, my apologies.

[Bongo Prophet]

91. There is on mac OsX. I have it.

On PC/win, however, I think you are correct.

[RebelOne]

102. I have it also on a Mac with OSX.

[Romulox]

107. Thanks guys. MS Office 2008 (UNIVERSAL BINARY!) is coming out January 15.

I normally hate anything MS, but in this case, I am excited! :D

[Major Hogwash]

77. Hahahahahahaha! That's a classic!

Man, you are one funky dinky dao dude!

[alfredo]

45. Linux and Open Office might be all you need. You can download

both for free. Open Office might come with your linux distribution or another good office suite.

Most all people need is a web browser, email, and a word processor.

[DCKit]

90. Configuring wireless networking with Debian Etch Linux was a pisser...

But since I got it working five or six months ago, I've only booted into XP two or three times.

I'm still not nearly as fully configured as I am with XP, but it connects to the internetz, gets my mail, browses well and Open Office Write is fully compatible with Word. Additionally, for those of you who don't know, Linux programs are not upgraded with endless, crappy patches, they are re-compiled from scratch and thus contain no junk code and no bugs in the stable release. My experience has been nearly seamless.

[alfredo]

92. I'm getting ready to install SUSe on my old G4 Dual. I only use if when

I need Photoshop, and I am finding that GIMP is useable for most of what I do. I'm already using Inkscape for text in images.

[Deja Q]

7. My own experiences with Vista

are about 50/50.

I do like its strengths. And it is rather more secure... definitely more stable than XP (and those skinning applets for XP were not reliable...) And XP in of itself was stable, but it was easier to BSOD than Vista -- which is actually amazing given Vista's requirements... and the new task manager and resource monitor are quite useful too. And I like the sidebar, despite its quirks...

But here are my problems, which I know people would rather have wanted to hear first: The sidebar has easily rectified quirks, yet aren't fixed... never mind the WGA debacle... never mind it eats up 1GB of RAM for itself (XP used 350GB on the same PC!!). 15GB disk requirement is asinine when, upon looking at the file/folder structure, amongst other things, every file for every language gets plopped onto the hard drive... or the network buffer being removed that cripples transfer speeds, which is not the same thing as the bug that allows Vista Media Player to cripple network speed altogether when one plays a media file (whoa boy, streaming media will really be a pisser in corporate networks...)

It's a big mess. That doesn't need to be. I can see why corporations will stick with XP. But having worked on automated deployment functionality, Vista does have a few other tricks up its sleeve...

[walldude]

13. Well Windows Machine Specs for Vista are

2.4ghz processor and 512ram.. So you can't expect a non power user to know they are full of shit... Plus I ran Vista and XP on the same machine in a dual boot and XP is at least a third faster.. Vista looks nice but that's about it.

[Deja Q]

15. CPU Ghz rating is meaningless

My 2.0GHz Athlon (w/1GB) ran it just fine. Took up almost all the RAM, but it worked...

I still haven't fully deduced what's eating the extra resources; except the parts I did find cannot simply be disabled. It's either well integrated or a real pile of spaghetti. Given its stability, I'm going to say "well integrated", albeit reluctantly. MS's history is full of spaghetti...

[CRF450]

50. Not quite meaningless, depends on what lineup of cpu's you look at

They were a huge selling point back then before the 64bit cpu's hit the market. The Athlon 64 3400 at 2.0ghz was WAY WAY faster than the Pentuim 4's that got up to 3.4ghz. Its the same deal with the Core 2 Duo's, their way more powerful, but with lower clock speeds.

Theirs not much else you can do with the memory usage. Vista pre-catches the memory for programs that are used alot.

[Deja Q]

58. At that time, you're right... but things have changed dramatically.

But these days, any Intel Core 2 Duo whips the similarly clocked Athlon. (The Athlon memory bus is still wider, but that hasn't stopped Intel from winning more performance tests...)

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_2007.html?modelx=33&model1=929&model2=877&chart=437

[Cronus Protagonist]

17. I don't have maxed out hardware by any means

But I do admit to having a nice graphics card and a gig of RAM. My audio card is a professional unit, at the bottom of the professional scale, and EMU has yet to write a working driver for it. That's my only complaint. Speed is about the same as fully patched and updated Windows 2000 which is what I was using before. I've never used Windows XP other than at other people's computers and never felt an upgrade would be any better than Windows 2000.

[sentelle]

100. i use printers that print larger than 11x17

support is extremely limited for existing hardware.

[Webster Green]

6. Funny!

I almost bought Vista when it first came out, but decided to wait and see.

I think I'm sticking with my XP Pro Media Center 2005.

[Romulox]

8. I upgraded to Leopard without a hiccup, btw. OSX is *really* good. nt

[Deja Q]

12. All one needs to do is remove the startup code that has X looking for Apple's TPM and voila,

it'll run on any dirty old PC.

Apple might make a killing, but as with clones and every other form of propagation, Steve's got a big stick up his bee-hind and that's why he'll always be #2 in the market. Compaq and Microsoft knew how to propagate; hence the invention of the "PC Clone" and the ubiquity of Windows. Neither is entirely ethical, but it's business. And ironic; Compaq won the same sort of case Xerox had lost...

[Romulox]

19. That is an intriguing possibility, but I have yet to meet a laptop superior to Apple's hardware...nt

[Deja Q]

23. Or the other way around; they all have Intel inside...

Oops! :D

[Romulox]

26. Uh huh, but a laptop, far more than some generic beige tower, is more than the sum of its parts...

And my XP machine has AMD inside, so...

[Deja Q]

37. My tower is big and black. And silver. And

AMD sucks too. Not even their "genuine" quad-core CPU could even come within yodeling distance of Intel's faux quad-core (two dual-cores linked together).

Nah nanny-naah nah. :P

[Romulox]

44. Actuarly, my XP machine is in a black Antec Sonata II, and I won't be buying another AMD cpu

when and if I ever upgrade my PC. Since PC gaming is dead, I can't see any reason to do so, however... :shrug:

Towers are for servers. The future is in portable computing. I really can't see ever buying/building another desktop.

[EOTE]

53. There are places for both AMD and Intel in the current market.

I've been a die hard AMD loyalist since the advent of the first K6 processors. I make a new rig every year or so, and everyone has had an AMD in it until this year. Now I've got an AMD system and an Intel system. The Intel system is an E2180 OCed to around 3ghz per core and the AMD is an X2 5200 OCed to around 2800mhz per core. The AMD was a little more expensive, but even at the lower OCed clock speed, it's definitely more responsive in Vista and consistently provides better frame rates with the same GPU than the E2180. That's not to say that the Intel is a bad deal at all. In fact, $80 for a dual core processor which easily OCs on stock cooling to 3ghz per core is a pretty damn good deal. It's just that AMD has done a fairly good job of making adequate price cuts to satisfy the PC building community. You mention AMD's new Phenom not being able to compete with Intel's existing quad cores. Well, clock for clock, they're ever so slightly slower, but you can get a Phenom 9500 (2.2 ghz per core) for $200 shipped, while the Q6600 is still close to $300 shipped. That's a 50% price increase for a chip that provides at most a 20% performance gain. Given the new fabrication process AMD uses for the Phenom, overclocking should go quite well with these processors. I've heard many reports of people getting 2.6ghz per core from the 9500 fairly easily which should at the very least equal the Q6600 in performance. Granted, the C2D line is still superior in terms of overclocking, but once again, the processor's inherant value relies very much on what you intend to do with it. Another thing to consider is that feature for feature, AMD's motherboards are a good deal cheaper than Intel's, making for a much cheaper build if you're starting from scratch. Intel has made great strides in the last few years, the C2D is without a doubt a hit, but I'm still an AMD fan. Hopefully they'll have something more competitive in the near future.

[Cronus Protagonist]

115. You should get a MAC

:P

(just kidding)

:toast:

[parasim]

25. and I hope to God Apple stays number two...

otherwise, we'll have to start dealing with all the viruses that plague the Windows world and all that crap.

and frankly, I wouldn't even think of running OSX on a cheap ol' PC. I prefer hardware that looks good, feels good and just plain works.

[Ezlivin]

34. Number of installed OSes does not mean more vulnerability to viruses

Otherwise the internet would have failed a long time ago, since the vast majority of servers are running *nix.

The way an OS is designed DOES matter. It doesn't matter on how many computers it is running.

[parasim]

57. I'm not talking about whether or not the OS is vulnerable or not...

It's that because, as far as I know, there are not a huge numbers of users on Macs and because those who write the viruses apparently like to affect as many users as possible, they just don't bother with Macs.

I really have no idea, all I know is that, my PC is constantly being infected with some virus but on I never have to eradicate viruses on my Mac.

[Deja Q]

38. So you admit the reason why Apple is safe is because the hackers see no quarry in it?

I do, all the time. No platform is truly secure...

http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=758


And Apple Macs are nothing more than PCs these days; save for the special TPM chip that tells OS X it's not really a PC, which in turn allows it to load...

[parasim]

61. Of course I admit that.

I never said that no hacker is able to write a virus for Mac. It's just that I haven't had to worry about viruses on any Macintosh of mine since the 80's. and I do appreciate that. and I assume that it is because they don't have a zillion users, so hackers don't even make the effort.

[Maven]

85. No, not really.

Mac OS X is inherently more secure. I'm not merely referring to its UNIX-based networking and privileges, but also to the way it organizes files, saves settings and manages memory. It's certainly not impossible to exploit the system, but it's far more difficult than exploiting a system that, owing to its adherence to legacy compatibility for business reasons, is built on a foundation that wasn't designed with security in mind. Windows isn't only easier to exploit--it's easier to do system-wide damage once it's been exploited.

This is coming from someone who used to build PCs and program on Windows before I switched to Mac in 2000.

You should notify the many organizations that have run OS X hacking contests in the past few years that there's "no quarry" in OS X. The fact is, OS X's reputation for security makes it a more attractive target for a hacker looking to make a name for himself.

By the way, that article you posted (by notorious Microsoft shill George Ou) makes its dishonest point via creative statistics, tracking the number of identified "vulnerabilities"--many of which have already been patched by Apple--instead of the number of viable exploits in the wild. Apple has already released Leopard 10.5.1 with 10.5.2 seeded to developers this week. Where, pray tell, is Vista SP1?

[Cronus Protagonist]

31. I agree that Apple's biggest problem is just that.

The huge stick up Steve Jobs' rectum. I'm series.

:P

[Ezlivin]

32. But can you run Turbo Pascal or Lotus 1-2-3?

N/T

[Deja Q]

35. Beyond version 1?

:rofl:

[NewHampster]

11. I like my Vista but that's a great vid

[parasim]

18. Ha ha, that's hilarious!

"Call tech support and get a 3 hour version of 'Born Free'!" Love it.

My business partner hated it and downgraded back to XP.

I could run it on my Intel-based Mac, but why the heck would I want to do that???

[Cronus Protagonist]

21. I never call tech support for Microsoft because I don't like to teach people on the phone

It's too hard to get them to understand their operating system with only phone access to their newest employees. I prefer to read the screen. I've found that works every time.

[Deja Q]

24. But Americans are too stupid to read and would rather wait for the movie...

:hide:

[parasim]

27. Yeah, and Americans are too stupid to use Windows when they could use Macs...

I see your :hide: and raise you a :hide:

:evilgrin:

[Cronus Protagonist]

30. You shot yourself in the foot there, pal

Clearly, the most stupid should revert to Macs, according to you, and I think you're probably right. After all, why read the screen when you can just click on the nice little leap-frogging pictures?

[parasim]

33. Yeah... hehe... whatever...

My little "leap-frogging pictures"-based Mac lets me get my work done which brings in a nice chunk of income for me yearly. and since I spend zero money or time keeping the thing running, I have plenty left over to enjoy time away from the computer.

Nice try, though.

[Cronus Protagonist]

36. Sounds like we have the same experience with our respective OS's

I never spend time keeping my machine running either. It even updates itself when I'm out having fun with the kids. It just runs itself, but I do admit to having an IQ above semi-literate, so perhaps neither of us is truly representative of the users who have constant "computer" problems.

[Romulox]

40. delete: nm

[parasim]

46. Good point.

Yeah, I admit, if you know what the hell you are doing, the PC can be a fine machine. I do know what I am doing, but would rather not have to deal with it at all, thus I own a Macintosh.

But then again, I'm not a computer guy, I'm a designer. The less time spent in understanding how computers work and the more time getting my design work done, the better.

[Cronus Protagonist]

48. I agree, it's just a tool, folks!

I never understand how people get all personal and insulted when someone criticises their computer or OS. I've used them all and I use Vista as that's what I prefer. All I care about is getting my work done, so a computer to me is like say, a wrench for a mechanic. I may like my wrench, but is Snap-on better than Sears or vice-versa? I see no point in arguing that one, other than for fun on a BBS as a distraction from my work :P

[MilesColtrane]

41. I can read my screen anytime I want.

But, most of the time I'm too busy working instead of futzing with my computer.

[Deja Q]

62. "think different", "a computer for the rest of us", one mouse button, "Macs For Dummies"...

Apple allowed itself to be shot in the foot. If a computer that lets you do things only one way still needs a 3rd party book telling you how to do it, complete with title ending in "For Dummies"... good grief.

Hell, when Greenpiece went after Apple for not being environmentally correct enough (when even Dell by comparison was doing even token measures), one really has to wonder about that company...

[sentelle]

101. and if they have trouble with a Mac?

I usually refer them to the red model, you know, with the two knobs on the side that help the screen redraw....

Redraw is done by turning it over and shaking....

you know, an Etch-a-sketch

[Cronus Protagonist]

103. Mac users seem happy to pack it all up and take it to a store

That's something I've never seen a professional using a PC do - but Mac users seem to have no problem carting the beast down to a store and leaving it there for days while it gets fixed. I prefer to fix things myself, so perhaps that's why I don't understand that behaviour, and my computers never have anything so badly wrong with them that would require a transport to a repair center.

[Romulox]

106. I've built at least 6-10 PCs, and I call bullshit.

Unless you get out a microscope and a robot controlled soldering iron, you aren't "fixing" any PC hardware. You are replacing it/ assembling it. Admittedly, Apple doesn't sell mainboards, but otherwise, there's no reason why you can't replace a video card, ram, etc. on a Mac.

As for laptops (which is all I'm interested in any more,) basically nobody will sell you a mainboard/case/etc, so it's a level playing between portable PCs and Macs and repairs...

[Cronus Protagonist]

109. Well, you're free to call it bullshit, but you're still shooting blanks

You quibble with the word "fixing", which of course means the machine doesn't work and someone does something to it to make it work, not replacing a soldered surface mount IC on a modular circuit board.

As for there being no reason why a MAC user can't replace his or her own cards, you're right, but they don't, at least the VAST majority of them don't. They take them into service centers, and not just for hardware problems, but just to get their software upgraded or even a new operating system. You just don't see many PC users doing that, and if they did, they'd complain about it like a MAC user confronted with a login screen.

As for your 6-10 machines, I raise you two thousand, a degree in IEEE and 30 years experience in the field.

:P

[Romulox]

112. Now you're just being silly...I upgraded to Leopard a coupla weeks ago w/o issue.

And I haven't the foggiest as to what an IEEE has to do with assembling a PC. :shrug:

[Cronus Protagonist]

113. Hahhaa your personal experience is representative of only that

..your personal experience. I wasn't addressing your experience, I was addressing a much wider circle. And I know you don't have the foggiest. That was clear in your first post.

:P

[Romulox]

114. Dude. It's like saying: "I have a JD. I REALLY know how to write a check!"

:rofl:

[Deja Q]

42. Ah, but if they used Linux,

they would use the same PC hardware and not have to spend a penny more, much less 200000 (or more) of them...

I see your observation of my :hide:, and your :hide:, and call :hide:.

:evilgrin:

[parasim]

47. Yeah, my genius nephew uses Linux and loves it...

but I'm perfectly content with my Mac, since i am not a computer wiz, I just use one for my design work. and in my case, the Macintosh does the job perfectly.

Oh, I think I have enough brain power to figure all that Linux stuff out (and the windows crap too, if I had to) and utilize it but, why, when I can get all the work i need to do done with my mac?

The cost of a new Mac gets paid off with one project, so I'm good to go from that standpoint.

[Deja Q]

64. If vmware and the other Win32 emulators could run Photoshop, et al, decently,

I'd go back.

With a quad core system, I probably COULD go back for most apps. But why do the hassle? My current system works, and everything I need to do I can do within Vista and without the extra overhead.

[hunter]

56. Paying for an operating system is like paying for sex.

It's just asking for trouble.

That's why I use Linux.

Bill Gates and Steve Jobs can go park their nasty pimp mobiles on somebody else's desk. They are not welcome on mine.

http://www.debian.org

http://www.ubuntu.com

Both debian and ubuntu do what I want them to do, and they never demand money in return, no matter how many computers I have them running on. They work with my scanner, my printers, my cameras, and my portable music players.

There's a bit of mischief you have to do to get stuff with Digital Rights Management working, because it is illegal, for example, to watch a DVD in the United States using Linux, or to convert a video into iPod format, but that's just about it.

Perhaps my needs are simple, but I don't need or want anything Apple or Microsoft has to offer, nor do I need or want any software that depends upon those operating systems.

[parasim]

65. Good for you! Looks like things work out quite nicely for you.

Bravo!

Although, for me, I don't necessarily agree that paying for an operating system is like paying for sex. When I spend 129 bucks for OSX, it's paid for after an hour of work. So for usually two years after that, I'm home free.

I usually don't have to worry about upgrading my OS until I buy a new machine, which I do just about every two years.

Don't know of any hookers with that kind of service.

But, see my system works great for me, and yours works great for you. We both win!

[hunter]

73. OSX would be awfully tempting.

I probably couldn't resist the urge to look under the covers.

Can it be that difficult to make OSX believe it's running on apple hardware, even when it's not? No, don't even tell me.

It's bad enough that my atari 800 and my Mac SE, which are physically collecting dust in my garage, still operate quite happily in the spirit world of my Linux desktop.

[alfredo]

80. There's sites dedicated to hacks to make Leopard work on generics.

I would wait a while to let others find any serious problems.


New Macs start at $599. I sprung for the $799 model. I'm happy with it.

[Cronus Protagonist]

110. There is a Cd you can get that's supposed to run OSX on PC hardware

I tried it on a few computers and could not get it to work, but if you google OSX on PC hardware, you'll find it and you can try it out yourself. I thought it might be cool to use OSX for a while, but I was disappointed.

[parasim]

39. Well, the only time I called tech support was when the Sony-made battery

went bad on my Mac. I called Apple support, wait time, I don't know, 4 minutes? They referred me to my local Apple dealer that replaced it immediately.

I lost maybe an hour of time.

Other than that, I get work done. A lot of work. No problems. More time at the beach for me!

[NNN0LHI]

28. I had to watch it twice

This PC is "Vista Ready" whatever the hell that means? Think I will stick with XP for now.

Don

[Dawggie]

43. I like Vista so much that I built a machine for it.

:)

I work in graphics and like to game and wanted a DX10 capable machine. I'm running it on three machines now and as a dual boot on my laptop. Networking is a breeze with Vista and if you have the muscle, you won't have many problems.

Of course if you have an older machine, you shouldn't expect it to run the latest software. I remember hearing everyone making the same noises when XP came out.

Another nice thing is how well it integrates itself with Office 2007.

(But as a long time MS beta tester, I get quite a bit of the software for "free" and had to LOL at the two hour version of Born Free).

[CRF450]

52. I like it too, and just built a new gaming rig for it.

Core 2 Duo Q6600 overclocked to 3.0ghz
MSI P6N SLI 650i motherboard
4gigs pc800 memory
Two 150gig Western Digital Raptor 10,000rpm hard drives in Raid0
EVGA Geforce 8800GTS (newg92 version) vid card
Tuniq T-120 cpu cooler
Thermaltake Soprano case
Thermaltake 700w psu
22" Acer LCD widescreen monitor
Vista Ultimate 64bit

The whole thing with a number of other little stuff came out around $1900.

I find that a big bottleneck with new computers now is the hardrives. They'v been the standard 7200rpm for a while now, even with a super fast cpu and memory, loading time for the OS and other programs is greatly limited by the hard drive's speed. With my hard drive setup, Vista boots up in about 15 seconds, and most of the programs load up almost instantly!

BTW, do you play Crysis? I was a bit dissapointed that its not playable with the gfx maxed out to DX10, although DX9 still looks fuckin awsome, DX10 adds more atmosphere and makes the game so much more realistic overall!

[Deja Q]

63. Yuppers!

I got the Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L mobo instead of the MSI, and I stuck with 7200RPM drives, but otherwise my specs by and large are the same. Blisteringly fast; upgrading from my AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ (Socket 939) was incredible. CPU speed was terrific, but hard disk throughput blew AMD out of the water -- same hard drive too. :crazy:

I'd stick with 32-bit though. Not many apps are 64-bit, and the 32->64 bit thunking causes performance degradation.

[CRF450]

67. Yes, even my setup will be pretty fast with a standard hard drive

I decided to make it even faster with the 10,000rpm HD's. Plus in a great way it'll future proof my computer except for gaming. As games get more demanding, every other major component will have to be replaced every 2 or 3 years:-(

[Dawggie]

66. Sweet system.

I am using the AMD 6000 dual an an Asus M2N2 SLI Deluxe 3 gigs 800DDR, A pair of 8800GTS's 2x7200 rpm 320 Gigs in a stripe raid and a pair of 22" Viewsonics.

I played the Crysis demo, right now the only DX10's I'm playing is world in combat and I finished up Biosphere (fantastic graphics). Right now I'm playing the UT3 Demo and think I'll buy it after Xmas. I can max it out using only one of my cards.

[CRF450]

71. I thought of getting that cpu!

Its a good one for the price as it competitive to the Intel E6600 and E6700 cpu's while costing much less. Problem with is that it cant be overclocked very much.

[Dawggie]

72. If you can keep it cool, it has been OC freindly to me.

I'm using this monster. To look at the cooler, you would think the CNPS9700-LED is exactly the same as the hugely successful CNPS9500-LED. But on closer inspection, you will soon notice that the cooler is about 20% bigger! Instead of using a 92mm fan like in the CNPS9500, the CNPS9700-LED has a huge 110mm fan! The larger size of the cooler gives both an increase in airflow (due to the fan), and an increase in surface area (due to the fins). In combination, this gives unbeatable cooling performance. The cooler is multi-socket compatible, and comes not only with a Fanmate2 fan speed controller, but also Zalman’s well-respected premium heatsink compound, ZM-STG1.

- Dimensions: 90mm x 124mm x 142mm (LxWxH)
- Weight: 764g
- Rotational speed: 1250 - 2800RPM
- Blue Fan Illumination
- Noise Level: 19.5-35.0 dBA

[CRF450]

74. The Tuniq cpu cooler I have is pretty good too

Sometimes I think I should have gotten the Zalman since its all copper, mine's like half copper and half aluminum but does pretty well.

[Dawggie]

81. I wasn't familiar with the Tuniq until I googled it...

and if it's this one it looks and reads to be a frikking great cooler.

[CRF450]

84. Yeah thats the one!

[EOTE]

96. What type of OC are you getting out of it?

I had to work damn hard to get my X2 5200 to 2800mhz per core, and that's not even a 10% OC. My E2180 on the other hand is at 3ghz per core (that's up from 2 ghz stock) using the exact same cooler (COOLER MASTER RR-CCH-L9U1-GP 92MM). I'm still an AMD diehard, but I'm very impressed with how easily the C2D line OCs, I didn't even have to bump up voltage or use anything excessive in terms of cooling. I was able to pick up the HSFs for about $20 a piece, and I factor that cost into my build. Often time when I see people spending big bucks on cooling, I wonder if they're not better off using something a little less radical and putting that extra money towards the processor. I find a lot of stock coolers are pretty damn silent and cool really well (and in Intel's case, offer a decent OC). So, what is each core on your 6000+ running at?

[Deja Q]

60. DX10 isn't as lovely as the pre-release demos led folks to believe.

Oh, it's better, but not the depth promised and definitely not faster...

Mind you, most existing games have DX10 patches and aren't truly optimized or made for DX10. I hope the next version of Flight Simulator lives up to the original hype. :(

I still don't buy your networking claim; zdnet and other tech sites pointed out what SP1 has put back in (the buffering) and it's still true SP1 isn't resolving the media player snafu...

Yes, Office 2007 integrates nicely; that is another plus...

[Dawggie]

68. It picked up my home network color laser without a bit of attention on my part.

Didn't go so quickly with XP.

Have you been using or have you tried the "OneCare" suite with vista yet?

[Redstone]

51. Hey, guys, since you're Windows experts, some advice please:

I'm buying Mrs R a Windows laptop, which she'll essentially only use to run QuickBooks for her accounting business.

It comes with Vista, but only has 1 GB of RAM...should I buy a copy of XP and install it to replace Vista?

Thanks,

Redstone

[CRF450]

54. What are the other specs of it?

I have a friend who just bought a HP laptop with Vista that costed around $900.

It has a AMD Turion T-58 cpu
2 gigs of ram
Dual hard dries totaling 200gigs

It runs Vista pretty decently. But if you want XP installed you have to worry about the warranty. Installing XP over Vista will void the warranty from most computer makers.

[Cronus Protagonist]

55. Sure, if you want to pay Microsoft TWICE for the operating system!

By the way, most of the earlier versions of Quickbooks don't work in Vista, so be sure to check if you would need to buy a new copy - Intuit no longer offer upgrades or upgrade pricing. I run my old copy on my server just so I won't have to pay these theives any more money. YMMV.

[Dawggie]

70. If it comes with Vista and you are only using it for QuickBooks,

An office type program (try OPenOffice.org if you don't want to spring for MS Office. It'll read and save to any MS Office format, do PDF's and is FREE/Open Source).

It should do very nicely with Vista.

[Redstone]

83. Yes, I'll do that; I've been using NeoOffice on my Mac for some time, and

it has worked flawlesly to open MS Office files.

Thanks for the recommedation.

Redstone

[Didereaux]

89. YES, YES and YES!

[Rex]

59. Waste of money.

Kinda like when they shit all over us with WinMe. Same shit, same company, different operating system.

[HughMoran]

69. I have posted on Vista Sucks posts myself. It does suck in many ways

...though I have been able to get it working OK now - is pretty much XP with some ergonomic fixes and some pretty stuff that my laptop is too slow to run since I opted out of the video card.

[OhioChick]

76. Yes, It Sure Does. n/t

[sjdnb]

78. After 20+ years of dealing with M$ft B$, I am so thankful for Linux

AKA: If you care about the environment and/or cost-effectively making technology available to serve the masses/people in need: M$ft SUCKS

The vid would be funnier if the fact weren't that small businesses, nonprofits, average users, and the environment have been taken to the cleaners by Gates being able (til now, hopefully) bury or buy any competition.

He never 'got it' from the beginning. He may be a great businessman, but technically, my son would run circles around him in a one on one.

Fortunately, my son and I have been able to find some bright, open minded, decision-makers in the nonprofits we work with and have saved the landfills a good deal of hardware and the nps a lot of money.

[workinforalivin]

79. Yes, it does -- So much so that we had to implement

an alternative solution in a few weeks. We went with thin clients running off a Linux server with all new software. A lot of nuances to get used to, but, at least it works.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

82. That is so cute!

Been there, done that and just got my new Vista survivor t-shirt. :D

[mwb970]

86. My new computer came with Vista on it.

It works fine and has many much-appreciated new features. I'm sorry others are having such trouble with it, though. Computer problems are more frustrating than anything else, aside from Republicans.

[OzarkDem]

88. It messed up our office network

New computer with Vista can't network with other office computers. We can't afford to upgrade the other computers and are not sure we want to.

For the meantime we have to share files the old fashioned way - by email or flash drive. Its a mega-PITA.

[Cronus Protagonist]

104. I think you need a competent tech person

Vista links into my domain seamlessly and even the local workgroups can access the public folders. Vista is a lot more secure and you have to do more to allow people access, but it should have no problems accessing any other computer.

[we can do it]

93. Get A Mac

[QC]

95. Does it come with a free personality test? n/t

[Cronus Protagonist]

111. Hahahahaaa STOP you're making coffee come out my nose

That was a good one, and it prolly went WAY over most people's heads too.

:P

[killbotfactory]

94. I actually liked vista, until...

it randomly started freezing programs, and the only way to close them would be a hard reboot. That gets annoying. I'm sure it's a driver problem, as intel is just some shitty company that doesn't know what they are doing.

[EOTE]

97. Why would it have to be intel?

There are plenty of other hardware manufacturers in a computer nowadays. Very little required in terms of drivers with regards to a CPU.

[Dawggie]

98. If it's always the same programs you can try running them in a compatability mode

for XP by right clicking on the icon and picking "properties" then picking "compatibility," then choosing the OS of your choice.

[Didereaux]

108. most of those can be prevented by...(solution)

Many of the bluescreens and freezeups are compatibilty issues. Right click the programs icon, select properties, then select compatibility, check the check box, then scroll the little menu down to pick which version of MS it last ran properly on. It goes back to Win95. Also if you have some installation problems, try the Compatibilty Mode Wizard (it is hidden well) so here so here is a shortcut

START->RUN-> mshta.exe res://acprgwiz.dll/compatmode.hta

Then just follow the prompts. When the prog is all loaded set its compatibility as was first explained.

...or you can always go postal and search for Bill G with a dull knife and full intentions of sawing out his larynyx and hacking off all extended bodily digits...performed while naked, painted blue and chanting Sgt Pepper doesn't live here anymore!

g'Luk

[dorkulon]

99. LOL guess I'll stick with XP /nt

[Cronus Protagonist]

105. That's probably a wise move

There's little value in upgrading to Vista for the vast majority of users.