ithinkmyliverhurts attacks Gore for his decisions in the 2000 campaign.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

"someone with impeccable credentials who the entire Democratic party rightly respects." Whaaaaat????

He asked Lieberman to be his VP for the love of God. LIEBERMAN. His foresight with regards to technology and the environment as a given (and for which he can be lauded), if his choice of VP was any indication of his political instincts, well, then, I'm not so sure he shouldn't be immune to criticism. I'm afraid there's quite a bit of hagiography around here with regards to Gore. Remember all of those posts about how Gore refused to fight during the recount? Remember?

Just keep in mind, he chose Lieberman as VP. McCain may do the same.

Perhaps I'm just talking out of my ass. Ah well, won't be the first time. Or the last.

This post is not meant as an endorsement of Obama--just some thoughts about criticizing Gore. And perhaps the other posts are simply bashing Obama to score points for Hillary, Edwards, whoever.

[Bluebear]

1. Yes, poor Obama. Always being "bashed".

For something he himself says.

[rosesaylavee]

2. delete

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

3. Incredibly.

[trumad]

4. Gore aint perfect

are you?

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

5. No not at all.

But surely he can be criticized, yes? I guess I'm not too sure what the big deal is about Obama's criticisms. I'd actually be far harsher. I think we look at Gore too much through 2007/08 lenses. Gosh, if I could level a criticism at Obama, I'd say that rhetorically he's taking the Gore (in light of Gore's choice of Lieberman) approach to politics--reaching out to moderates and conservative, though Gore did try the "I'm gonna fight for you" meme.

If the point of these criticisms about Obama's speech is that he's being disingenuous or that he's actually quite similar to Gore in his approach to politics (though maybe not completely in his rhetoric)--"hope" versus "fighting"), o.k., fine. But let us not think that the "Nobel-Laureate" Gore is untouchable. But I haven't seen the case laid out for his being disingenuous. he's being criticized for criticizing Gore. But A LOT of people at DU were and are FAR more critical of Gore.

I like your posts, Trumad. I'm not peckin' a fight; just giving an opinion. And, again, I could be talking out of my rather talkative ass.

[trumad]

7. Thanks...

and I didn't mean to be so abrupt...... I'm just saying he made mistakes in 2000...but they we're minuscule in the good things he did...

[johnaries]

10. But if I may make a couple of points:

I don't remember Gore ever criticizing another Democrat.
No, Gore wasn't perfect. In my opinion, his biggest mistake was listening to his "handlers" and the "experts" rather than just being himself.
But I never heard him criticize another Democrat. Not even Bill Clinton, even though he was trying to distance himself because of the Monica scandal. He never did it with critism.

I am not saying that as Dems we shouldn't use a critical eye. Actually, the thing that really gets me about Obama's criticism of Gore and Kerry is the fact that he totally misunderstands or misrepresents the division. Gore and Kerry weren't divisive, the RW smear machine is what has divided our country. Gore and Kerry's mistake was not addressing those smears moer rapidly and effectively.

I know what Obama is doing, the implications are that Hillary is "divisive just like Gore and Kerry" and since they lost, she will lose the General Election also. But he is perpetuating the RW smear myth that it is the Dem Candidates that are divisive, when in fact it is Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Lielly, et al.

So it is not so much the fact that Obama criticised other Dems (especially ons that I respect much more highly than I do him), but the fact that it is perpetuating RW Myths. THAT PISSES ME OFF!

I'm sorry, Obama used to be my second choice after Edwards. But not now. I'm done with him.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

11. "I don't remember Gore ever criticizing another Democrat."

I campaigned for Bill Bradley, so excuse me while I vomit. Gore's campaign was beyond disimgenuous regarding the whole universal healthcare debate.

But, hey, it's politics, no biggie. I expect a little selective statistics, quotes out of context, etc.

"But he is perpetuating the RW smear myth that it is the Dem Candidates that are divisive, when in fact it is Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Lielly, et al."

But we are divisive. Some of us wish we would be even more divisive. I like Edwards' rhetoric regarding taking power away from the powerful who will not give it up without a fight (and he was clearly taking a swipe at Obama).

[johnaries]

13. Sorry, apples to oranges.

There is a huge difference between campaigns pointing out differences between their platforms and candidates criticizing Dems who aren't even running.

Are you saying that everything the RW says about "Liberals" is true?

No, we are not divisive as much as individualistic. There is a huge difference between being divisive and simply not being sheep. Yes, we believe in arguing, and yes we are passionate in our beliefs and our arguments. But we can at least reach a consensus.

[DemGa]

6. I think my liver hurts too

I ate a very fatty meal last night (which I don't do often at all). Though Maybe it is just in my mind. At any rate, I think it is something that a few bowls of oatmeal and a brisk walk will clear up.

As for Obama criticizing Gore, it is maddening to me to see quotes outside of a fuller context. It's like reading the AP!

[Peregrine Took]

8. Try some milk thistle for de-toxing that liver!!

[madokie]

9. I know mine does

as for Obama, he's not ready for the big time yet
I love 'm but right now we need a President

[LanternWaste]

12. Well, I'm sure he'll give your

Well, I'm sure he'll give your "attack" all the consideration and thought it is due...

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

14. Actually, I'm sure he'd rather forget about choosing Lieberman.

But perhaps you supported his fantastic choice for VP.