Do you Americans realize.....

[HEyHEY]

Just curious how many people on DU realize all of the Dem infighting just gets the job half done for the republicans. So, by the time the actual election comes up, you've already rip your candidate to shit. I know it seems obvious and all, but from what I've seen here, you guys don't seem to get that down there. It happens up here a little, but never to the extent it seems to in the US. The whole idea is to work together to sort out who the best candidate for your party will be... not to hi-jack a political party for your own narrow minded ideal, then trash the shit outta the other guys within that party to get power and be boss over everything. Seems like political parties are really nothing more than a slush fund. People try their hardest to win the keys to the bank to fund a run to the white house so they can do what they want. The actual ideals of the party don't matter cause no one bothers to figure them out and let it be the base of what the party stands for anymore.

[rug]

1. When is the Manitoba Primary for Prime Miinister?

[HEyHEY]

3. There isn't one.... we don't let them have a say, damned stubblejumpers

[peabody71]

52. Sorry. I believe in free speech.

Even if I'm wrong,
the debate must go on.

[demnan]

2. Yes I realize it K&R

and I hate it! And sometimes I indulge in it guiltily here. MSGOP is throughly trashing Clinton tonight. It is so obvious. The tone of the discourse against her is disgusting. This stuff gets filtered in what's left of our brains everyday. We simply cannot help ourselves we are so angry with our government.

[gateley]

4. "The whole idea is to work together...

"The whole idea is to work together to sort out who the best candidate for your party will be..."

You're right. Some of us have really gone overboard trying to convince others that WE know who the best candidate will be...

It's embarrassing.

[Marrah_G]

5. It makes me sad. n/t

[Sarah Ibarruri]

6. I know that we need to stand together against the Republicans......

The reason there's some infighting has to do with the fight to revert back to being left wing liberals rather than centrists. For too many years the Democrats formed a right wing that headbobbed with too much of what corporations wanted to get away with, with whatever ways Republican presidents and Congressmen wanted to damage the middle class. This right wing edge of the Democrats ran the Democratic Party. Now there's too much anger because that right wing is hanging on for dear life to its right wing Democratic ideas even tho those ideas need to be extricated from the side of the Democratic Party. The majority of Democrats want to go back to what Democrats have always stood for: the little guy. Of course there's going to be some infighting and resistance.

But it's all good. :-)

Come time for the general elections, ee're all going to stick together and vote in the Democratic nominee as OUR PRESIDENT!!!!!!

[melody]

7. Do you realize that it's our political system with its drawbacks and benefits

Just because it's not Canadian doesn't make it inferior.

[HEyHEY]

8. I never said it did, Mrs. Kneejerk

In fact I never knocked your system at all, I knocked the assholes on here destroying their own candidates.

[melody]

22. Well, I really shouldn't respond because it was rude

But the "assholes", as you call them, are participating in the nomination process. Your assumption that
no good will come of it is what I disagree with. I understand you meant well, but I do think the "tearing"
process you perceive is ultimately a healthy one. I still wish people would learn to be kinder with each
other, but I think that about a lot of posts.

[Catherine Vincent]

9. That's probably the first post you've written that speaks the truth.

I agree.

[HEyHEY]

11. Not true, I've posted about my large genitals before

[WillyT]

16. ROFLMAO !!!

:evilgrin:

[emilyg]

33. Picture please.

[Hekate]

47. Boasted, or posted?

:rofl:

[Deja Q]

10. And we have the God-given right to do so.

What's your excuse? :P

[HEyHEY]

14. An Allah given right

[Yael]

12. That, or they are vetted and ready

[HEyHEY]

26. how so?

[Yael]

29. Better to get it all out now than to have October suprises

I could never run for office in this country. You think a ObGyn physical is intrusive? Doesn't come close to what these people and their families endure.

Better to get the dirt out publically (but amongst family) than to have the opposition 'discover' it in October.

[bellasgrams]

13. It is really bad here. I've never seen so much anger within a

party. I really think it's because there is so many kids. Kids should get involved in politics, so I would not want to discourage them but we need to work together not tear the party down.

[Didereaux]

17. Kids tend to destroy, because they have not yet learned to build!

[Didereaux]

15. Careful there, eh! we are going to have an oversupply of ReBUGlicans soon, might have to export

[HEyHEY]

18. I can't wait...

When the dems are back in, Steven Harper is gonna have to deal with a leftie US government... all he did when Chretien was in power was knock relations the government had with the US... now that the reverse is gonna be true, it shall be fun!

[sandnsea]

19. Hey Hey, when you get a Dem that acts like a Republican

and keeps this global trade going at the expense of the impoverished, and keeps the oil wars going, don't bitch. Okay??

[HEyHEY]

20. I'm not saying either side is right for attacking another

I'm making a comment that parties shouldnt' infight this much. To me it shows a massive gap within the dem party. And because of that, I think people don't actually want to use the party for anything more than a big barrell of money from which to draw campaign funds.

[sandnsea]

21. There is a massive gap

There are Democrats who support social issues, like abortion and civil rights, but are every bit as corporatist as the most conservative economic Republican. There are southern Democrats who are more culturally conservative, patriotic, but split on economic issues. There is the far left, who would vote Green but can't keep allowing Republicans to win. The statement about herding cats is true. This is the Democratic Party. But hey, at least we aren't going to give you - fuck me, it's Huckabee!

:hi:

[Echo In Light]

25. There is a great deal to the nuts & bolts of our collective narrative also...

That needs to be understood in order to better comprehend the influencing variables. A simple example, if one hasn't any knowledge of the National Security State ruse, centralized corporate/state nexus, what that means, how it works ... or of how rightist/statist corporate interests have strategically shifted the public mind rightward through the suggestive power of mass media, while simultaneously soap-boxing about how that very system is "liberal," that is, the exact opposite of what it actually is and represents, then for such an un and dis-informed person to weigh in on these matters will reveal the surface trappings of the movie script unreality sold to the populace via mainline corporate media "news," which serves only to transmit official opinion to the masses.

[ihavenobias]

43. But can we make the distinction between infighting and legitimate criticism and debate?

I know it's a fine line but people seem to go to extremes on this issue. We have posts full of ad-hominem insults and other posts that seem to suggest ANY criticism (valid or not) is somehow an ad-hominem or insult.

I'm not a fan of either...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTxWx_SYUGo

[asthmaticeog]

23. You have the NDP to represent progressives.

We have no politically viable equivalent here, thus our left is stuck in the same party as the centrist Quisling GOP-appeasing shitbags, thus the infighting you always see in the Democratic party.

[HEyHEY]

24. I know

And there lies the problem... our luck though, was also a split right for the last few years.

[JDPriestly]

27. The Republicans will point to all the faults we discuss here.

They won't miss them. We give the candidates the chance to figure out how to deal with all of the reasons to dislike them.

[HEyHEY]

28. The worst part is that because its all in-fighting - dirt comes out

That the repubs may not otherwise pick up on.

[JDPriestly]

35. Not very likely. They catch it all. Don't worry.

[tuckessee]

30. It's a primary race fer cryin' out loud.

This is what politics is about.

[HEyHEY]

31. not so much

Look at the big picture.

[Arugula Latte]

32. See how Hillary has polarized us?

Imagine what she'll do to the country if she's the nominee as a whole come November.

[arthritisR_US]

34. IMO, that's a cop out

[walldude]

36. It is. It's candidates supporters that are dividing us.

When people bring facts to the table they are called bashers, misogynists, haters whatever. The rest is all just name calling and thread titles like "Obama Slaughters Kitten and Serves it to Troops" and shit like that. It's laughable. As an independent I don't vote in the primaries in my state so I just keep posting threads that say "Just give me my candidate already".

Welcome to DU :toast:

I will warn you that we are not functioning at our best these days.

[arthritisR_US]

40. thanks! I've noticed, and so I tread oh so gingerly. :)

[Arugula Latte]

39. Well, you may view it as that, but it's an undeniably real problem.

And that is why I will work against her nomination.

[Arugula Latte]

41. To clarify, don't think even the most

ardent Hillary supporter would deny that she already has millions of people all across the country who can't stand her and would not vote for her in a million years.

[arthritisR_US]

44. In the press she gets 68% favorable reporting compared to

Obama and Edwards who get 81% so it's no surprise that "millions...can't stand her", "millions" don't know her. I'm impressed by all the candidates without having to vilify or scapegoat any of them.

[McCamy Taylor]

37. Divide and Conquer is number 1 GOP Strategy. K& R.

Check out my new journal entry, Chicago 1968

The thing is, with this anonymous posting system, the most inflammatory posts are all from Freepers, and there is nothing you can do but ignore them until they go away.

When the WaPo did their "Pelosi Knew" headline, you would have thought that DU was made up of every single gullible person in America, and I know that isn't true. Most of the people here do not trust anything they read in the newspaper that gave us the "Good lie." It was all the Freepers pretending to be Dems calling for her to resign.

[BlooInBloo]

38. Nobody hates Democrats quite as much as DUers.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

42. Don't like what you've seen so far?

Hang on to your hat, HEyHEY.



You ain't seen nothin' yet.

:hi:

[RB TexLa]

45. That is such bull. Your opponent is your opponent, doesn't matter what party they are

You do what you have to do to win. If you don't want to win you have no business running.

[HEyHEY]

49. That kind of attitude is what sinks "Parties"

[Hekate]

46. Makes me sad and disgusted both. It's such stupid destructive behavior...

...and no matter how often it gets said or how many of us say it -- there are those who simply will not listen.

Criticism is fine. Going over the record is a good idea. Reasoned discussion is great. Passion, too. Actual facts: bring them on. Ability to admit a mistake: how I wish.

But what's been taking place on this board is beyond the bounds -- it's destructive of everything we claim to stand for.

Hekate

[hootinholler]

48. FEH! Yous is just a buch o how ya say it up dere? HOSERS?

It's Bare knuckle politicin down here.

Not that you don't have a point, but, it won't sink in down here.

On the other hand, how else can the press keep the republics viable?

-Hoot

[mmonk]

50. No. The primaries are an election process as well.

Otherwise, hold a coronation and allow no criticism.

[HEyHEY]

51. There's good critique and bad critique