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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:14 PM
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Punishing Thought Crime: Would New Bill Make YOU a Terrorist?
Punishing Thought Crime: Would New Bill Make YOU a Terrorist?

By Scott Thill, AlterNet. Posted January 17, 2008.

Meet the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act.


According to Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif., House Resolution 1955, otherwise known as the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007, is a much-needed piece of national security legislation subject to unnecessary paranoia and fear. According to the American Civil Liberties Union, the resolution, which Harman sponsored, is one step too close to an Orwellian nightmare, especially for the Democrats who concocted it.

The truth, as always, lies somewhere in between. But first, let's back up and check the facts.

House Resolution 1955 was introduced without fanfare in April 2007 by Harman and passed with little disagreement in October 2007. In fact, more House politicians missed the vote than voted against it, and if that isn't unanimity as far as American politics go, I don't know what is. Considering the resolution engages three charged terms in succession -- "violent," "radical," "terrorism" -- it's hard to believe that it wasn't designed to scare the living daylights out of every representative who showed up to vote that day. It also might explain why it garnered 404 yeas and barely enough nays -- six, to be exact -- to count on one hand. And while 22 representatives declined to show up for the vote, those who felt that H.R. 1955 was a terrible waste of time and tax funds had no chance at voting it down anyway.

In any case, it's the Senate's headache now.

"Legislation such as this demands heavy-handed governmental action against American citizens where no crime has been committed," Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul complained to the House in December, after missing the vote while campaigning. "It is yet another attack on our constitutionally protected civil liberties. It is my sincere hope that we will reject such approaches to security, which will fail at their stated goal at a great cost to our way of life."

The initial text of H.R. 1955 states its aim clearly enough before falling into obfuscation -- "to prevent homegrown terrorism, and for other purposes" -- a characteristic that could be argued to be its defining template. Speaking of definitions (or the lack thereof), H.R. 1955 defines "homegrown terrorism" and "violent radicalization" nebulously; the former is merely "the use, planned use or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives," while the latter means "the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious or social change." Ideologically based violence, in turn, is defined as "the use, planned use or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual's political, religious or social beliefs."

Sounds fair enough, until you start crunching the language and come to the realization that practically anyone, on any given day, could fit the description. Which is vague on purpose, as one realizes the farther one digs.

more...

http://alternet.org/rights/73991/?page=entire
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:25 PM
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1. I am gay, and I am an atheist. By definition, I am already a terrorist
You point is...? :shrug:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:32 PM
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2. LOL! Hey, I'm straight, an agnostic, and I probably am, too! nt
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:04 PM
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4. You think you got problems
I'm straight, pagan and read Chomsky. They are gonna burn me ... :rofl:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:33 PM
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6. Oh, no! Not Chomsky!!
:D
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:55 PM
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8. I'm finally safe...
By moving my personal political perspective slightly to the right of Che, I'm finally in lock-step with conservative America.
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 03:45 PM
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10. Yes.
And worse ... shudder ... Thomas Paine ... Marx ... Jefferson

I just read too much to be safe ...

:)
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:07 PM
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5. Want to lay odds it doesn't apply to Pat Robertson or Eric Rudolph?
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:32 PM
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3. Ordinarily, I would simply wait for the federal courts and the Supreme Court
to declare this bill unconstitutional. However, the courts have been packed for the last seven years and we already can guess the disposition of the current Supreme Court.

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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:37 PM
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7. If you could read my mind, what a tale my thoughts would tell
and it wouldn't all be a love song either. :hi:
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 03:07 PM
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9. "Would New Bill Make YOU a Terrorist?"
Count on it!!
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