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Glenda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 06:53 PM
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"Mortgage crisis spills over into credit cards"
I'm underlining parts in the below article, because what I'm getting out of this is that mortgage affects credit cards, unemployment can affect both, and there is a lag between an economic change (e.g., unemployment) and its affects (stock declines).


http://www.sltrib.com/ci_8030307

Article Last Updated: 01/21/2008 12:28:55 AM MST


Investors and analysts got an in-depth look at the credit-card problems last week when Citigroup Inc. and J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. - two of the biggest U.S. issuers of plastic - issued fourth-quarter results that included billons of dollars in writedowns to cover mounting losses on credit cards and other consumer loans.

Bank of America Corp., which bought card company MBNA Corp. a few years ago, is scheduled to report results this week.

Bank profits have been pumped up in recent years by historically low levels in credit-card delinquencies and write-offs. Those levels had widely been expected to rise with the economic slowdown.
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The banks could find themselves under more pressure in their credit-card businesses later this year, especially if December's unexpected rise in unemployment is the start of a trend. The Labor Department said this month that the December unemployment rate increased to 5 percent from 4.7 percent.

''The higher the unemployment rate goes, the more areas of potential loan losses come to the banks,'' said John Augustine, chief investment strategist in Fifth Third Bancorp's private bank. He says it could take six months for rising joblessness to sting banks with higher defaults, meaning that the coming earnings announcements likely won't reflect the economy's true condition.

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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:53 AM
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1. so what will the banks' response be? . . .
they'll undoubtedly start by tripling the mailed credit card offers to every household in the country . . . with unbelievable "entry" rates for the first year or so . . . just watch . . .
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:38 AM
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6. Bingo! My AmEx card was just increased to a $15K limit
I don't even carry a balance on it--I guess they are trying to tempt me.
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allalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:59 AM
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2. credit card crisis was caused by congress and issuers/banks
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 03:01 AM by allalone
this congress allowed them to change the way they figure the payments and interest charges.
now they add interest charges to your balance and then deduct your payment and charge you overlimit
fees if you are even one penny over your limit. (yes I know I should pay them off, but I am broke, so please don't lecture me)
You can never catch up again. Believe me, any extra money I dig up is going to them off.
Oh and now the banks etc are pissing and moaning because people are defaulting. It seems they can't think ahead. What the hell did they think was gonna happen? er-duhr
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ToeBot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 05:00 AM
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3. And yet many don't understand the animosity toward certain Senators who allowed this to happen.
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 05:06 AM by ToeBot
It's not often that what takes place in congress has a direct, immediate and profoundly negative effect on anyones day to day life. But when those new banking regulations took effect my already strained financial situation was pushed beyond breaking. It's been a daily struggle ever since. I will never support any Democrat that voted for the 2005 banking giveaway. Biden and rest are welcome to eat shit and die.
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Glenda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:34 AM
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4. Yeah, the bankruptcy law change of 2005/2006
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 07:53 AM by Glenda
didn't really help people either

I believe the effect it had is make people more likely to default on their home, because they focused on paying credit cards before paying mortgage. See:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2748606
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:36 AM
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5. A Massive Time Bomb...Long Overdue To Explode
This is where that disastrous Bankruptcy Bill is going to hurt those who pushed it through...their greed is about to bring them down. Sadly it will also ruin millions of lives and savings in the process.

We've been living on borrowed credit and time for a long, long time. Millions have large debts they don't have the cash to pay off and with the games played by the banks, they're deeper in the hole than ever and paying higher and higher rates. The breaking point isn't too far off.

The greatest fear in this housing fiasco is that it would spill over into the consumer debt. It's a double whammy as the banks are tight on cash and need the money from the card holders to keep from imploding further...and if they call too much, too fast, that starts that market crashing as well. And it could well happen. If it does, the consumer market all but evaporates.
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