What just happened in the house on FISA?

[Kermitt Gribble]

[jtrockville]

1. Someone from TX (Stark, I think) proposed an amendment

to allow telecom immunity. Conyers objected, saying it was against house rules because the original legislation extended current law (no changes), so an amendment that changes the law can't be introduced. Whoever the person is who runs things read the law and agreed with Conyers. Stark asked for an appeal. Conyers proposed to table the appeal. The aye's had it. Stark asked for a vote.

Now they're voting.

(just my take - I may have misunderstood)

[Kermitt Gribble]

4. Thanks.

I got confused when they went to the electronic vote.

[jtrockville]

8. Not Stark.... was Lamar Smith, TX

[tekisui]

2. I think that the House shot down the permanent extension of FISA's

spy power. They voted to give it 3 more weeks of debate.


Chimpy lost.

Please someone correct and clarify further.

[buzzard]

I posted this elsewhere but here is a chart comparing the House and Senate Bills.

http://cdt.org/security/20080212FISAcompare.pdf

[tekisui]

5. They have a lot to work out. There is still hope they can get it right.

[housewolf]

9. Wow - Thanks

That really helps.

[TahitiNut]

18. Looks like the Senate version (S.2248) was written by Hitler.

:grr:

[buzzard]

3. delete

[Kermitt Gribble]

6. Good news! n/t

[madokie]

11. methinks they only want to put off giving immunity until the dust has settled a bit

knowing full well today there will be an uproar if they do, a couple three weeks from now who knows how the winds will blow. I have totally given up on our congresscritters doing the right thing ever again.

[old guy]

19. I am also a little skeptical.

We haven't heard Pelosi weigh in yet. On the other hand we could all use some good news.

[americanstranger]

7. Background here.

http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/13/134654/941/584/456059

House Republicans engineered a series of procedural votes Wednesday in a bid to derail the Democrats’ prooposed extension, which President Bush said Wednesday he would veto. They argued that the House should simply take up and send to the White House a surveillance overhaul bill (HR 3773) that the Senate passed by 68-29 Tuesday.

Because 21 conservative Blue Dog Democrats have endorsed the Senate-passed bill, Republicans might be able to win approval of the Senate bill through a motion to recommit the extension with instructions to amend it with the text of the Senate bill.

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Here are the traitors in question:

Rep. Leonard L. Boswell, D-Iowa -- Phone: [phone], Fax: [phone]
Rep. Marion Berry, D-Ark. -- Phone: [phone], Fax: [phone]
Rep. Mike Ross, D-Ark. -- Phone: [phone], Fax: [phone]
Rep. Earl Pomeroy, D-N.D. -- Phone: [phone], Fax: [phone]
Rep. Robert E. "Bud" Cramer, D-Ala. -- Phone: [phone], Fax: [phone]
Rep. Melissa Bean, D-Ill. -- Phone: [phone], Fax: [phone]
Rep. Heath Shuler, D-N.C. -- Phone: [phone], Fax: [phone]
Rep. John Barrow, D-Ga. -- Phone: [phone], Fax: [phone]
Rep. Allen Boyd, D-Fla. -- Phone: [phone], Fax: [phone]
Rep. Joe Baca, D-Calif. -- Phone: [phone], Fax: [phone]
Rep. Dan Boren, D-Okla. -- Phone: [phone], Fax: [phone]
Rep. John Tanner, D-Tenn. -- Phone: [phone], Fax: [phone]
Rep. Jim Matheson, D-Utah -- Phone: [phone], Fax: [phone]
Rep. Jim Cooper, D-Tenn. -- Phone: [phone], Fax: [phone]
Rep. Lincoln Davis, D-Tenn. -- Phone: [phone], Fax: [phone]
Rep. Brad Ellsworth, D-Ind. -- Phone: [phone], Fax: [phone]
Rep. Tim Holden, D-Pa. -- Phone: [phone], Fax: [phone]
Rep. Charlie Melancon, D-La. -- Phone: [phone], Fax: [phone]
Rep. Dennis Moore, D-Kan. -- Phone: [phone], Fax: [phone]
Rep. Christopher Carney, D-Pa. -- Phone: [phone], Fax: [phone]
Rep. Zack Space, D-Ohio -- Phone: [phone], Fax: [phone]

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- as

[DCKit]

12. There's the list.

Every single one of these people needs to be voted out of office in November, preferably in favor of a "real" Democrat.

What are the constituents of these traitors doing that's more important than calling, writing and faxing to stop this atrocity?

[Kermitt Gribble]

22. I agree.

I used to give them the benefit of the doubt, thinking we needed them to uphold our majority. Now, I see that, because of them, our majority is useless. I think the real Dems would be more powerful with a small, unified minority than the majority we have now.

[L. Coyote]

10. The 21 day extension bill failed by 191-229

[ThomWV]

13. Which means everyting is back to square 1, with 2 different versions going to Conference.

The house (non-immunity) version and the Senate (immunity granted) version.

The only way the American people win is if it is the non-immunity verstion goes forward.

[americanstranger]

14. I don't hold out much hope for the House version, honestly.

If there are 21 House Dems ready to help seal the deal and pass the Senate version already, expect another handful to cross over.

In short, we're sca-rewed.

- as

[VP505]

15. Its hard to keep up

but I know two things for sure I am sick and tired of traitorous Dem's voting with the RePukes. I am absolutely sick of hearing the RePukes on the House and Senate floor lying their asses off in support of torture and giving the telecoms immunity for their law breaking.

[L. Coyote]

16. BUSH presser in telecom immunity on C-SPAN now. "I fu**ked up."

Verbatim: "The telecoms must be forgiven OUR crimes, or they won't help ME commit more crimes!"

[americanstranger]

17. Nah. He didn't say that, did he?

Really?

- as

[L. Coyote]

23. Not with words! It is his situation and he created it, so in a sense....

[AzDar]

20. Kick ...

:kick:

[leeroysphitz]

21. Who cares? Just so long as somebody is finally getting to the bottom

of the important issues like steroids in BASEBALL. Did I really need to add :sarcasm: ?