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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 10:06 PM
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BUSH-Targeted Wilson's Wife Long Before Article Appeared & Reason May Be MORE THAN JUST YELLOWCAKE
Edited on Sun Feb-25-07 10:07 PM by kpete
BLOGGED BY Margie Burns ON 2/25/2007 4:57PM
Bush Admin Targeted Wilson's Wife Long Before Wilson's Article Appeared
Trial Docs, Testimony Reveal Admin Reasons for Outting CIA WMD Analyst May Be More Than Simple Retaliation Over 'Yellowcake'

Op-Ed...
What Were They REALLY After?
*** Special to The BRAD BLOG
*** by Libby/CIA Leak Trial Correspondent Margie Burns

In today’s Washington Post ombudsman column, “Covert Question, Open Controversy,” Deborah Howell says, “Wilson's New York Times op-ed piece, critical of the Bush administration's use of intelligence, set off a chain of events that led to the disclosure of Plame's job.”

.............

But information and testimony revealed during the course of the Libby Trial indicates that it wasn't Wilson's op-ed piece that set the off the chain of events leading to their disclosure of the CIA WMD analyst and her covert network. The Bush administration began its campaign to discredit Valerie Plame/Wilson at least a month prior to the release of her husband's article.

.....................

What did happen in May – between Kristof’s piece and the inquiries to Marc Grossman – is that Seymour Hersh published a devastating New Yorker article, “Iraq Post Mortem,” partly about the forged Niger documents that generated the "yellowcake" brouhaha. Did the administration simply decide to launch a pre-emptive strike against Wilson, convinced that his going public would be the last straw on the "mushroom cloud"? Did it go for a two-fer, moving to disrupt analysis in the WMD counter-proliferation unit at the CIA where Mrs. Wilson worked?

If so, it moved fast: by the time Wilson’s column appeared, his wife’s name and CIA connection had already been leaked to Bob Woodward of the Post and Judith Miller of the Times – for 23 days and 13 days, respectively. Note: Armitage, Woodward’s source, is another Cheney man and has been since before Bush 41.

Whatever the reasons for the activity and whatever the trial outcome, one point continues to be clear: The man at the top who chose Dick Cheney as his Vice, is ultimately --- and Constitutionally --- responsible.

timeline and more at:
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4188
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 10:08 PM
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1. kicked/recommended/bookmarked and...
now back to the Oscars.
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 10:09 PM
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2. Impeach Now....Convict and Imprison...now!!!......nt
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 10:11 PM
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3. Always remember... Cheney chose Cheney. K&R
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 10:19 PM
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4. a big
:kick:
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 10:25 PM
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5. Interesting. Did this come out in Libby's trial? KNR! ....n/t
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 10:26 PM
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6. k & r -- I hope people will keep this kicked up for wider reading...
I'm busy doing Oscar at the moment...
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Steven_S Donating Member (810 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 10:27 PM
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7. I always thought that nepostism was a dumb excuse....
I mean, so what if the wife sent him, which she didn't, but so what? It didn't make much sense. They surely had to know that Brewster-Jennings would be destroyed. There's something more to the story.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 10:31 PM
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8. SOME of us here *ahem* have said this repeatedly and for a while.
Edited on Sun Feb-25-07 10:32 PM by WinkyDink
It was ALWAYS Brewster-Jennings.
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 10:44 PM
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11. Absolutely right
If the yellow cake matter had not existed another excuse to out Brewster-Jennings would have been used.B-J,IMO, was getting to close for comfort to some of cheneys business dealings and actvities for them to be allowed to continue.
The yellow cake just made it a 2 for 1 deal for cheney.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 11:33 AM
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21. Kick - I keep telling people about this.
Edited on Mon Feb-26-07 11:39 AM by hedgehog
There were a series of unrelated articles including one in Forbes documenting the connections between Cheney, Halliburton and shipment of illegal items into various countries. The information was all there, it's just that few had connected all the dots.

On edit - found the old links:

http://www.forbes.com/global/2004/0419/041_print.html

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/4939
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 05:29 PM
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46. those articles rock.
the whole Dubai thing tweaks my radar. remember the Dubai Ports deal? what happened with that?
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 11:43 AM
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22. Ahem.
Indeed.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 02:04 PM
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33. tin foil hatters we were. k&n nt
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 01:12 PM
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53. And some of us here appreciate those who keep the truth out there no matter what.
So hats off to all of you.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 10:31 PM
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9. Thanks for this, very interesting reading!
The timeline that breaks down what occurred when is a key part of the puzzle.
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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 10:38 PM
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10. Randi was talking about that the other day
Edited on Sun Feb-25-07 10:39 PM by tinfoilinfor2005
and her theory is that Valerie Plame Wilson's area of expertise was IRAN and that destroying Iran was always Cheney's ultimate goal.
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brer cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 10:44 PM
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12. Thanks for the nice cookie, kpete,
for those of us not into Oscar. We need something to nibble on tonight.

I'm only tweaking noses. Those into oscars are due their night. I don't do TV or movies, so unless Gore wins, I'm out of my element, and thus have no interest.



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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 10:52 PM
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13. Dick Cheney exposed Valerie Plame to cover up his association with A.Q. Khan's Nuclear Walmart.
Dick Cheney exposed Valerie Plame to cover up his association with A.Q. Khan's Nuclear Walmart. Read about it here: http://s93118771.onlinehome.us/DU/AMERICANJUDAS.pdf
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 01:50 AM
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15. That's one of the reasons they wanted to "get" the 'white hat' CIA, but there is
such a concentration of panicky activity among the Bushites in late May-July 2003, and then particularly in the July 6-22 period, that it points to there being a specific trigger for the outings, and I don't mean Wilson's article (published July 6), which I think was long expected. The panic also points to plans gone awry--scrambling to cover something up--and not having a lot of time to do it carefully, without leaving so many fingerprints.

Back up a minute, and ask yourself: Why were the Niger/Iraq nuke forgeries such poor, easily detectable forgeries? Names wrong, dates wrong. If they were using existing forgeries (which seems to be the case), it would have been easy enough for experts to clean them up, and at least get the names and dates right. It took less than 24 hours for the CIA and others to completely debunk them. But what if they were MEANT TO BE easily detectable?

This is part 1 of the WMD-planting theory of Traitorgate: That the "crude" Niger forgeries were an enticement to the CIA--easily debunked forgeries--to lure them into a known no-nukes-in-Iraq position. Part 2 was to see that the Niger/Iraq nuke allegation got into Bush's SOTU speech, despite the objections of several agencies that the allegation was bogus, and to keep pumping that allegation, with all the "mushroom cloud" language, over and over, despite the complete lack of evidence. Part 2 was to procure the nukes and plant them in Iraq, after the invasion, to be "found" by the US troops who were "hunting" for them (notably accompanied by NYT WMD propagandist Judith Miller, who, according to her, had an embed contract signed Donald Rumsfeld to be there for the WMD "hunt"). The "big scoop" of a "find" of WMDs in Iraq would discredit the CIA forever, and, of course, cement Bush's and Blair's political positions with a justification of the war.

But something went wrong. Somebody foiled the illicit movement of the nukes into Iraq.

There was an earlier public whistleblower on the exaggerated pre-war WMD intelligence, than Joe Wilson--or, rather, they were almost simultaneous. And that was David Kelly in England, who began whistleblowing anonymously to the BBC on May 22. Wilson's dissent was mostly internal until his NYT publication (July 6). But it had been leaking out, and Libby and Miller were meeting about it--and about Plame--as early as mid-June (after Libby's meeting with Cheney). What else were they meeting about? Miller has kept that a dark secret--in fact, she remained in jail until Fitzgerald agreed not to question her about the "other" parts of that conversation.

I suspect that the other parts of that conversation were about David Kelly. Miller was an old colleague of David Kelly's. She had used him as a major quoted source in her book "Germs" (about germ warfare). Kelly was the Brits chief WMD expert, a top notch scientist, on loan to various British intelligence departments, and as a UN weapons inspector in Iraq. Kelly had supported the invasion; he wanted Saddam ousted. But something turned him around about it, several months after the invasion, when he began telling BBC reporters about the "sexed up" prewar intel (May 22). When these reports hit the BBC, they began hunting him down within the government, and he was mysteriously outed to his bosses in the last week of June (shortly after the Miller-Libby meeting). He was interrogated at a "safe house," and threatened with the Official Secrets Act in the first week of July, and, on July 7--one day after Wilson's publication--Tony Blair was informed that David Kelly "could say some uncomfortable things" (Hutton Report). Not HAD said. COULD say.

What were the "uncomfortable things" that Kelly "could say"? He told his interrogators that he "wasn't going to reveal any government secrets." (That the prewar intel was exaggerated was pretty well known by then.) So, he did know something MORE--what was probably the most important content of his interrogation (not in the Hutton report, of course).

IF what he knew--what he had found out, perhaps from his friends in Iraq--was that the US had tried to plant nukes in Iraq--a level of deceit that Kelly would have balked at (in my read on his character)--and that the scheme had been foiled--and Tony Blair found out what Kelly knew on July 7, and called Bush, then the subsequent events, in the next 2 weeks, begin to make a lot more sense.

Cheney and Rumsfeld were boiling with anger at having been foiled! And they probably suspected Plame (I have little doubt that they knew who Plame was all along), because of the Wilson article, and they would also be panicked that Plame or Wilson or SOMEONE was about to blow open the WMD-planting story. What they knew of the Brewster-Jennings WMD counter-proliferation network of deep cover agents/contacts in various countries, including in the Middle East, at this point, is hard to say. But the Bush propaganda machine goes into a full court press to get Plame outed as quickly as possible. They call six reporters in one week, looking for someone to out her, and trying to lay down a quick disinformation campaign that "everybody knew" her identity. Libby furthermore concocts a cover story that Rove did it, as political revenge. And a deeper layer of cover story is that Cheney did it for political revenge (complete with a copy of Wilson's article, marked up in Cheney's hand, pointing to political motives). (Fitzgerald penetrated the first layer, and is now at the second: Cheney.) And here's what happened next:

July 14, 2003: Plame outed (by Novak).
July 18, 2003: Kelly found dead, under highly suspicious circumstances; his office and computers are searched.
July 22, 2003: Novak ADDITIONALLY outs the entire Brewster-Jennings network, by printing the name of the front company in his column--thus disabling every covert agent/contact in the network, and putting their lives in grave danger.

The outings were a shotgun approach (appropriate to Dick Cheney) to silence everyone who could possibly know their dirty plans, to disable and endanger them, and to punish whoever foiled them. If they couldn't "get" the CIA the other way (discredit them with planted nukes), they would do it THIS way, by blowing their cover. And they had motive to do it brutally, not caring who they hurt, who got killed, what anybody knew or what their motives were, or about their ethical obligations, the law, protocol, loyalty, decency. They wanted to be rid of all of these people anyway, who believed that their job was to prevent war, not manufacture it

Rumsfeld was in charge of the operational end of this evil scheme--concocting the Niger forgeries, procuring/planting the nukes, creating the chaos and looting in Baghdad (sufficient confusion as cover for the operation), getting the NYT war propagandist positioned for the "find," circumventing the CIA and its snoops . Cheney was in charge of the political end--pushing the "mushroom cloud" language, getting the allegation frequently repeated (against all reason), making sure Bush said it (official), getting the CIA to investigate it (they sent Wilson)--and he has been dealing with the political and legal fallout of the failure of Rumsfeld's scheme ever since, starting with those panicked weeks of July 7-22, when they thought it was all about to come out. (Is this the real reason for Rumsfeld's departure?)

This is a THEORY, I want to stress. But it is a good one, as to details, and it helps explain many puzzles, including the Bushite's behavior. Why would they be so freaked about a mere op-ed, in a newsstream that they largely controlled in 2003? Ignore it, and it slips into the corporate river of forgetfulness. Or even if it caused a fuss. So what? They had a hundred "talking points" plantable in a hundred news outlets--and reporters and blatherers who would endlessly repeat the government line, until people were numb with boredom, and all meaning was beaten down. But they DID freak. Why? And why involve so many top Bushites in highly risky, treasonous behavior, over a newspaper article? Why was it the buzz of AF-1, with hot memos circulating? Why the flurry of clandestine meetings? And why on earth out an entire WMD counter-proliferation network at time of maximum national security need for WMD intel? How was THAT punishing Joe Wilson? Why were the Niger forgeries so "crude"? Why did Dick Cheney speak with such certainty that they were going to find WMDs? It would have been smart to fudge it a little, given what he knew of the cooked intel? He never blinked. They were THERE. On David Kelly's end, what could he have known that could have gotten him killed? Why were they so afraid of him--hunting him down, interrogating him at a "safe house," outing him to the press, then sending him home without protection and apparently without surveillance? The official story of his death is as absurd as the "magic bullet" theory of JFK's death. It screams coverup. Surely he was under surveillance. Where was his surveillance as he bled to death from one minor slit wrist, all night, outdoors in the rain near his home? Would a man like Kelly kill himself that way--a top scientist, a biochemist?

The coincidence of dates of the Plame and Kelly affairs is just too compelling to ignore. They killed him the same week that they outed her and her network, and for the same reason-- is a very reasonable surmise from these facts. It is a good working hypothesis. The A.Q. Nuclear Walmart (and who knows what else!)--and also, the big prize, Iran, and their intention to cook up more allegations and more evidence--are the reasons they INITIATED this plot, way back in 2001, or before, to discredit and purge the honest professionals in our government intelligence agencies. But the immediate circumstance of the outings appears to have been panic and fear of discovery of something quite specific and concrete--not just their lies. And I think this is the best candidate for it: they were trying to plant the weapons.



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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 11:30 AM
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20. Suppositions, but nevertheless a tightly-drawn theory, Peace Patriot.
Suppositions of the roles of the "dark actors," and supposition that Kelly had surveillance.

It's been clear to many of us that Brewster-Jennings was the cake, Joe Wilson was the icing. I am still dismayed that Dr. Kelly did not have all he knew written down, to be kept by a trusted friend in the event something happened to him.

Or did he ...? And whom would Kelly trust that turned out not to be trustworthy ...?

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 01:31 PM
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27. maybe
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:32 PM
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41. You're reading my mind. n/t
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 02:00 PM
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32. Suppositions are hypotheses, Straight Shooter. But don't you think
Edited on Mon Feb-26-07 02:02 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
the word "hypotheses" has more positive, less dismissive connotations? You don't appear to fault his intellectual rigour, otherwise.

As regards your dismay that he didn't write it down to be kept by a trusted friend, I would conjecture that an at least ambivalent, if not by now positively hostile, surveillance would have been kept on him, at least since his discovery as the "mole", and that he knew it would not have stopped at his front door. The extent of the surveillance powers of the British clandestine services is awesome. As is their execution of their operations.

This leads me to wonder if indeed the ambiguity of the circumstances of the good doctor's death, and even more of the subsequent obfuscations of the authorities might not have been intentional. To warn others. I mean, I really believe that in the final analysis, clandestine services in every country - even with much less closed societies than our own in the UK - are ABSOLUTELY unanswerable to the laws of the land and untouchable.

As far as the UK is concerned, with the passage of time and a growing awareness of how imperfect any human democracy is ever likely to be, this side of the Paarousia, I'm not sure it would be possible, or even desirable for it to be otherwise, for the simple reason that, to borrow a description of Nixon by H S Thompson - a worse "pool of rancid genes and broken chromosomes" as our body politic here in the UK represents, could scarcely be imagined, and would be most unlikely to represent a better repository of the ultimate power of government. Indeed, their custody of the legislature, the law of the land, is a standing disgrace; while the Lords (for all the historically eccentric "take" on economic matters of its culturally Norman members) has, as best it could, been acting as a brake on the worst excesses and degenerate machinations of the Commons.

The acquisition of plenary powers by the PM of the day over the clandestine services would simply ensure that no vestige of Christian values would remain in them, and Dr Kelly's likely killers would have no countervailing "guys in white hats" - such as did prove viable, being emasculated.

Of course, officially, unlike that SAS officer, the clandestine services must remain PC, even if they do kill people.





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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:44 PM
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42. Oh, I think Peace Patriot recognizes that I'm not being dismissive.
Edited on Mon Feb-26-07 04:47 PM by Straight Shooter
Peace Patriot is one of my favorite posters on DU. :)

To address your concerns, the use of the term "supposition," to me, is more common in everyday vernacular, whereas I tend to assign the term "hypothesis" to the scientific realm.

But, my friend, be that as it may, thank you very much for the edification of British surveillance, of which I was not aware of the extent and depth of its practices. In fact, it's quite eerie to read your post. I absolutely believe it's possible that the good Dr. Kelly's death was interpreted as a warning message by more than a few unfortunate souls who find themselves struggling between their conscience and their instinct for self-preservation.

I do remember, however, being surprised by the images of a visibly shaken Tony Blair when accusations were hurled at him that he had caused Dr. Kelly's death, and was reminded of the cerebrally comatose bush on the morning of September 11, 2001, which is to say they knew something was going down but they didn't know how bad it would be.

It's a witch to know something and not be able to prove it, isn't it? Yet, there we are. ;)

edit to clarify
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 11:47 AM
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52. What on earth do you mena, "can't prove it?" When circumstantial
evidence reaches a certain pitch, only a half-wit or somene determined not to acknowledge the obvious, could question where it is pointing.

One strange interview in the programme showed a top barrister sitting at his desk. He stated that he was often in communication with very eminent figures, pointing to one phone on which Kissinger had spoken to him, and another that he claimed was a direct line the Cheney. But the most bizarre and puzzling thing was that he was adamant that Kelly had been killed and there was a conspiracy to cover it up. Go figure.

The only explanation I can think of for such bizarre bedfellows is the one I put forward: a double bluff by the security services. Keeping conspiracy theories alive actually hardens people's attitudes, when, because the circumstanbtial evidence is so compelling they know the conspiracy to be real. And would keep the threat and the fear alive.

A bit like when my wife and I wen to buy a second hand car. We saw the one we wanted pretty quickly, but the salesamn, said "No! don't make up your mind yet! Have a look at some others!" And the more he insisted, the more firmly, I realised, he was closing the deal for this one in our minds! "No really this is the olne we want. Really!"!!!! It's not that the other cars he showed us were more expensive.

As for "hypothesis" belonging to the scientific realm, rather than the vernacular - of course. For some reason you don't wish to acknowledge the primacy in some cases of circumstantial evidence, and seem to want to remove any kind of formal, erudite connotation it can also have. Think about the statistics relating to the ubiquitous fraud in the recent elections, virtually all favouring the Republicans. The BINDING circumstantial evidence of statistics actually constitutes an accumulation of very pointed "a priori" truths. i.e. truths rooted in the very nature of our cognition. Unanswerable. QED.
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dwp6577 Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 11:47 AM
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23. *** hair on back on neck standing up
when I read that peace patriot...Would it stand it reason that Fitz is aware of this also?

Thanks kpete

If this is true and exposed, would impeachment be back on the table...I wonder
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 02:11 PM
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34. Awesome post, Peace Patriot. That's no misnomer.
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 02:29 PM
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35. A little extra detail on that part of Kelly timeline:
Edited on Mon Feb-26-07 03:04 PM by Ghost Dog
17 July: Dr Kelly left his house saying he was going for a walk. His family called the police when he didn't return.
18 July: Police found Dr Kelly's body. Later the prime minister's official spokesman said an independent judicial inquiry would be held.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/find_out/guides/2003/david_kelly_inquiry/newsid_3084000/3084865.stm

Dr. Kelly went for one of his early afternoon ("after lunch") (UK time) walks on Thursday 17th July 2003, being last seen around 3:00 PM, after earlier sending a bunch of emails ((at least some) linked here) to friends and colleagues in which, apart from the "dark actors playing games" comment, he remarked that he was looking forward to the current fuss dying down and being able to "get back to work".

Also on that Thursday 17th (exact time/timezone to be researched) Mr Tony Blair's at that time right-hand man, chief 'spinmeister' and the man who had most occupied himself with fighting the BBC 'exaggerated intelligence' story (and outing Dr. Kelly), Alastair Campbell, returned from Washington, where he had accompanied Mr. Blair (who delivered an Address to Congress on that day) to London, instead of accompanying Blair on the Japanese leg of his trip.
http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=785832003

Dr. Kelly's body was 'found' at around 9:20 AM (UK time) on the morning of Friday 18th.


ed. note also yesterday's DU Kelly thread, Oh Oh: Kelly death not suicide, says MP (on BBC-TV)
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 08:52 PM
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47. E S P I O N A G E
Fitz said it
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 03:41 PM
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37. Thanks SLaD! Stay tuned for the 2nd edition later this week!
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 11:34 PM
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14. WOW. Finally a source besides DU
that actually has forwarded this analysis. Much as I love Marcy, Jane, Christy Hardin Smith, and all the others Plame sites out there, None of them has ever come out and argued this assertion (which DU has been arguing since July 2004, thank you very much). It's all "Oh, They outed her in retaliation against joe wilson bla bla blah" which is all well & good, but, as the article states, Why did they leaking her identity to the press BEFORE Joe Wilson's article ever was published? Hmm?

notable exception is a Kos post here, and well worth a read.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 11:29 AM
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19. Yeah - they are good at smokescreen scenarios. Anyone really believe Marc Rich was
just a tax evader that Scooter Libby needed pardoned?

Anyone really believe that Poppy Bush and his cronies woke up one day in Jan 1993 and decided to STOP participating in the armsdealing, drugrunning, moneylaundering and weapons proliferations that financed the emowered the global terror networks?
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 12:59 PM
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25. They knew Wilson was talking to the press and that he'd be trying for months to get Condi to retract
the Niger claims. Wilson was told that it wasn't going to happen and if he wanted to get the word out he should go public himself, so there was the expectation that he would go further than he had previously . (This last was around June 9/10.)

Larry Johnson suggests it was the upcoming June 12 Pincus article that was the kicker to the OVP's June activity: http://noquarter.typepad.com/my_weblog/2007/02/pincus_lit_the_.html

Of course they were fighting back against the suggestion that they knowingly lied about the reasons for going to war. Which is what Wilson was telling the media regarding the Niger claims, he'd already suggested something to that effect on CNN on March 7 and that had gotten the administration's attention. The articles in May and June were more fodder at a time when it was beginning to be clear that the Administration wasn't finding WMD's in Iraq although Rummy had insisted that they knew where they were. (And much later denied that he'd ever said that.)

At the time Plame was outed she was in the process of transitioning out of the CPD and was going to go to the State Dept under official cover.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 02:15 AM
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16. You bet it was about more than yellow cake
Novak's second column, the one where he outs Brewster Jennings, only makes sense from a nefarious pov. I can think of no possible reason to ever leak the name of Plame's front company unless it is to disrupt their/her work.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 01:42 PM
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28. B-J was effectively outed, as Joe Wilson pointed out, when Plame was outed.
She'd cited B-J as her employer in public documents such as her Fed political donations.

Novak's October column appeared shortly after the DOJ investigation was announced and was intended to counter assertions that Plame was "deep cover" and also to connect her and the Wilsons to Dems, trying to make them look partisan. It was push back spin in the media. The real damage had already been done when Plame was outed months earlier.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 03:29 PM
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55. The second Novak column (5/22/03) naming the front company, Brewster-Jennings,
was for anybody who had missed the connection or didn't have access to U.S. documents--in other words, it was specifically aimed at our deep cover agents/contacts in foreign countries, who were helping the CIA track WMDs. Scientists, lab assistants, weapons procurement people, etc., who might be tagged to Brewster-Jennings by documents in their files or knowledge of their business--maybe not direct contact with Plame, but with the company. It was extra help to bad guys into weapons proliferation, to get rid of anyone into counter-proliferation.

Novak deserves to be tried for treason for that one--the second column. Totally gratuitous, grave endangerment of people who saw it as their duty to keep us all safe from illicit traffic in WMDs.
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BradBlog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 02:51 AM
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17. Thanks for getting this up here, KPete! (nt)
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kimpossible Donating Member (785 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 11:16 AM
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18. Exactly. This is old news to everybody but the MSM.
A few highlights of reportage that never bubbled up past the headlines of runaway brides and stars in rehab:

Outed CIA officer was working on Iran, intelligence sources say
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Outed_CIA_officer_was_working_on_0213.html

Let's not forget that Plame was tracking IRAN and nukes
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/4/6/233723/9065

Sibel Edmonds' "Kill the Messenger" state secrets case
http://justacitizen.com/KillTheMessenger/An%20Exclusive%20Interview%20with%20the%20Directors.htm

'During my time at the FBI, I never heard the name Valerie Plame - but if you are asking me about Brewster Jennings, that's another story, a story that I cannot comment on because I cannot talk about anything that I did at the FBI - and the targets of the investigations, and the details of the investigations’.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 01:46 PM
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29. Add another coincidence for the 'coincidence theorists' who conveniently believe
whatever helps those invested in secrecy and privilege.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 11:52 AM
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24. Let's take this a step further... what if Wilson was deliberately selected to go to Niger
in order to destroy Plame's cover in the future?
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 01:28 PM
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26. The CIA selected Wilson. Not OVP. Wilson had previously done on the ground fact checking for the
CIA, so there was a precedent for the CIA using him in that capacity. Cheney didn't task the CIA to send anyone to Niger.

And what Wilson reported in March 2002 was the same as the State Dept INR and Ambassador to Niger had previously reported. And what a four star general also reported.

You think that in Feb 2002 the OVP not only knew that Wilson would be sent to Niger but that he also would choose in Spring 2003 to begin speaking to the media about the Niger claims?

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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 03:36 PM
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36. I thought Cheney did ask the CIA to send someone to Niger. Sorry. eom
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 06:26 PM
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56. I suspect you are correct.
Edited on Thu Mar-01-07 06:35 PM by Old and In the Way
Who officially sent Wilson is, of course, the CIA. But I suspect that Cheney's Office planted the bug about getting someone to go....how it was nuanced to make it Wilson might be very enlightening.

Why would Cheney want to do that? We know that the chain of evidence of the forgery probably leads back to the neo-cons and their friends in the Italian intelligence. So why would Cheney want to make this a focus of an outside agency to investigate? Couldn't he have sent an insider to investigation and report back that the evidence was on the up-and-up? Isn't that what they wanted...agreement that their evidence was valid?

Then you have Cheney's notes on the NYT's editorial...a clear smoking gun that seems to indicate the motive was political revenge. And Cheney/Libby were dumb enough to save this evidence for posterity? Or was it saved to provide concrete evidence that their deed was only political revenge...to cover the true motivation of getting this story out?

There's 2 potential reasons for taking out Plame and B-J. (1) This was make or break time on the WMD justification. Were they trying to pre-emptively take out the intelligence network in order to facilitate the planting of bogus evidence? (2) Was this tied to Cheney's actions in the 90's when he was doing stuff that now ties him to facilitating the development of WMD into the hands of terrorist networks?

Outing Wilson never seemed quite right on the face of things....they had their war on and why would they care about one negative Op-Ed piece in the Times? They could have ignored it with no real consequences. They do that quite well in every other facet of their governance to date. So why put this hi-powered smear campaign into operation? Most of the players could have been brought in to do the dirty work based on smearing Wilson....they've always done that job pretty well. No need for them to know the real agenda behind this political hit.


I came to this thread from a post at Cannonfire http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2007/03/why-plamegate.html

What Joe postulates deserves some recognition-

What if both Kelly and Plame had stumbled across a plan to plant nuclear materials -- supplied by A.Q. Khan -- in Iraq? What if Kelly told what he knew to Judith Miller, who passed the info to Cheney's office? What if Plame's unit had scuttled the scheme?

Even if the Kelly death and the Plame outing have nothing in common but the coincidence of dates, we must still ask if Plame had stumbled across evidence of nuclear smuggling into Iraq.







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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 10:51 PM
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57. Following on this
How would a smuggling of WMD into Iraq happen? Here's an interesting post from 2004-

There is always a fear that the Administration is going to plant WMDs to be found sometime before the election.

I read on somebody's blog, but can't remember which one, a theory about why Halliburton hooked up with Altanmia Marketing of Kuwait (which led to the overcharging scandal). Altanmia is supposedly inexperienced in transporting oil; but apparently the Kuwaiti company also "act(s) as representative agents for companies trading in military and nuclear, biological and chemical equipment".

The conspiracy scenario proceeds from there...

The following isn't the blog that I had originally read but it contains some of the info:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_floyd.html

Last week, Pentagon auditors called for a formal investigation of "overcharges" by Cheney's Halliburton hirelings. The well-connected corporation -- which has been the chief beneficiary of the Bush Regime's looting of the American treasury to pay for its ravaging of Iraq -- is accused of skimming $61 million in excess cream from a shady deal to import Kuwaiti gasoline into the conquered land.

To carry out this choice bit of war profiteering, Halliburton hooked up with Altanmia Marketing of Kuwait. Altanmia was given exclusive rights to ship Kuwaiti gasoline to Iraq -- "even though it had no prior experience transporting fuel," U.S. Congressional investigators report. So what is the firm's actual expertise? Investments, real estate -- and acting as "representative agents for companies trading in military and nuclear, biological and chemical equipment," The Wall Street Journal reports.

http://www.usndemvet.com/blog/archives/001420.html


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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 01:48 PM
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30. I can't even read these stories anymore
I just keep asking myself, why haven't they been hauled off in handcuffs yet?
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ArbustoBuster Donating Member (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 03:47 PM
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38. The answer is in a quote from Sir John Harrington.
"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? Why, if it prosper, none dare call it treason."
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:26 PM
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40. Wow, never heard that before
but that's pretty much spot on isn't it.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 01:53 PM
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31. bush/cheney are front men for war profiteers. Plame's network watched weapons material movement
Her network was a threat to profits. The whole reason bush/cheney appointed to head the government was to insure war and profits.

Of course any intel networks that actually made the world safer would HAVE to go.

Not about Joe so much as about the bottom line on several corporation quarterly reports over several years.

Follow the $$
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:55 PM
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43. Follow the dollars and follow the pink slips of those who ended up purged from CIA
over the last 4 years.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 09:09 PM
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48. Yep
There has been a secret not-so-civil war going on in America. REAL public servants vs the junta.

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BradBlog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:04 PM
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39. K&R. Important Story... (nt)
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 05:22 PM
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44. Question for you, Brad.
How do you endure the coincidence theorists who constantly attack you at your site?
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BradBlog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 10:18 PM
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50. "Coincidence Theorists"?

Not sure what that means, precisely, but I can endure any attack as long as I've got the facts on my side which, you'll note, I usually do :-)

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 09:09 AM
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51. Well, those who point to inconvenient facts and their links are usually labeled conspiracy theorists
by those who insist the links are merely coincidences.

So.....some of us have been using "coincidence theorists" to describe them.
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Chimichurri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 05:25 PM
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45. I knew it. That seems more a reason to out her. I never understood the
rationale that somehow outing her would discredit what Wilson was saying. It may have distracted his message but it didn't diminish it at all.

They not only outed her but her front company, Brewster Jennings, as well.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 09:10 PM
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49. kick for the night shift
:kick:
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 01:28 PM
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54. What?? Norah Lipstick O'Donnell doesn't have a guest to speak about this--Abrams??
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