Al Gore's running mate in 2008?

[PhilipShore]

Poll question: Al Gore's running mate in 2008?

[Little Wing]

1. The Invisible Man

Hey, it worked for Cheney :D

[Deep13]

2. Kathleen Sebelius

[PhilipShore]

3. Interesting...

Sebelius would be an excellent Vice President.

[Skink]

4. Kennedy. Political dynasties need only reply.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

5. Maxine Waters.

[Dr.Phool]

6. Lieberman will be McCains running mate.

You know, all that bi-partisan jomentum shit.

[merh]

7. Clark

Though Obama would probably take the nomination if asked and would be a good VP.

[CTD]

8. Where's Obama? Gore/Obama would win in a walk.

nt

[mod mom]

21. exactly. Obama needs to be added to the poll.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

9. Let's See How Many Folks You Left Out....

Well, there's Obama, which was one of my choices. Then you missed Feingold, Edwards, and even the remote chance of Clinton.

But you included Lieberman? Your poll is total BS. There isn't a single person you listed, with the exception of Clark, who I imagine is who you wanted, that has a chance at being the nominee.

[PhilipShore]

10. A DLC approved poll?

:cry:

[hippiechick]

11. Russ Feingold, baby!

:applause:


:applause:


:applause:

[theHandpuppet]

32. I'd second that!

Why someone like Huffington would appear on the poll list and not Feingold is really weird.

[PhilipShore]

37. Why is Feingold a liberal? I like Feingold...but he seems to me to be...

more like a wanna be ultra liberal. A genuine ultra liberal (does not follow the populist agenda), but rather creates the agenda.

Huffington, is on the list as opposed to Feingold: simply because she is a prolific writer, that defines ultra liberal causes well, and - thus is in my mind - my second ideal choice for VP if General Clark does not run.

I don't watch TV or -- pay attention to ad manufactured politics; that most current polling data stems from, so when I see a list of Dems on the MSM as the ideal candidates, I automatically oppose it, because I do not wish to be brainwashed.

I am not a shrink -- but Robert Jay Lifton, an American psychiatrist and author, seems to address the topic.

Robert Jay Lifton
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Jay_Lifton

___________________________________________________-

A social psychologist, in one of his out of print books has a discussion of the politics of brainwahing...

THE RAPE OF THE MIND
http://www.ninehundred.net/control/index.html

The Psychology of Thought Control, Menticide, and Brainwashing

by

Joost A. M. Meerloo, M.D

CHAPTER SEVEN - THE INTRUSION BY TOTALITARIAN THINKING

In order to investigate the social forces at work undermining the free individual development of man's mind, we have to look at manifold aspects of political life. As a clinician and polypragmatist, I don't want to bind myself to one political state or current, but want to describe what can be experienced in social life everywhere. Where human thinking and human habits are in the process of being remolded, they are under the influence of tremendous political upheaval. In one country this may happen overnight, in others more slowly. The psychologists' task is to observe and describe the impact of these processes on the human mind.

Verbocracy and Semantic Fog -- Talking the People into Submission


After the First World War, we became more conscious of our attitude toward words. This attitude was gradually changing. Our trust in official catchwords and cliches and in idealistic labels had diminished. We became more and more aware of the fact that the important questions were what groups and powers stood behind the words, and what their secret intentions were. But in our easygoing way we often forget to ask this question, and we are all more or less susceptible to noisy, oft-repeated words.


The formulation of big propagandistic lies and fraudulent catchwords has a very well-defined purpose in Totalitaria, and words themselves have acquired a special function in the service of power, which we may call verbocracy. The Big Lie and the phoney slogan at first confuse and then dull the hearers, making them willing to accept every suggested myth of happiness. The task of the totalitarian propagandist is to build special pictures in the minds of the citizenry so that finally they will no longer see and hear with their own eyes and ears but will look at the world through the fog of official catchwords and will develop the automatic responses appropriate to totalitarian mythology.


The multiform use of words in DOUBLE TALK serves as an attack on our logic, that is, an attack on our understanding of what monolithic dictatorship really is. Hear, hear the nonsense: "Peace is war and war is peace! Democracy is tyranny and freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength! Virtue is vice and truth is a lie." So says the Ministry of Truth in George Orwell's grim novel, "1984." And we saw this nightmare fantasy come true when our soldiers who had spent long years in North Korean prison camps returned home talking of totalitarian China with the deceiving cliche of "the people's democracy." Pavlovian conditioning to special words forces people into an AUTOMATIC THINKING that is tied to those words. The words we use influence our behavior in daily life; they determine the thoughts we have.

http://www.ninehundred.net/control/mc-ch7.html

[Perky]

12. Funny,.,,,Not one announce Presidential candidate in the lot

or was that the point?

[PhilipShore]

13. No, I picked ultra liberal and ultra conservative high profile Dems

[Perky]

14. Instead of any that are actually in the race

and when all but one would hurt a Gore candidacy more than help it?

Are you actually describling Clark as an ultra-liberal?

[PhilipShore]

15. No, my opinion is that General Clark is a liberal Democrat...

He has good potential for becoming a ultra liberal like JFK, my favorite Dem of all time.

Gore/General Clark 2008

[Perky]

17. yOU HAVE AN ODD SENSE OF HISTORY

If you honestly think JFK was an ultra-liberal.

[PhilipShore]

26. JFK:... I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal

A Liberal Definition by John F. Kennedy:

Acceptance Speech of the New York
Liberal Party Nomination

September 14, 1960

What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label "Liberal?" If by "Liberal" they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer's dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of "Liberal." But if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal."

Our liberalism has its roots in our diverse origins. Most of us are descended from that segment of the American population which was once called an immigrant minority. Today, along with our children and grandchildren, we do not feel minor. We feel proud of our origins and we are not second to any group in our sense of national purpose. For many years New York represented the new frontier to all those who came from the ends of the earth to find new opportunity and new freedom, generations of men and women who fled from the despotism of the czars, the horrors of the Nazis, the tyranny of hunger, who came here to the new frontier in the State of New York. These men and women, a living cross section of American history, indeed, a cross section of the entire world's history of pain and hope, made of this city not only a new world of opportunity, but a new world of the spirit as well.


http://www.liberalparty.org/JFKLPAcceptance.html

[Perky]

28. wow....do you have any sense of who the liberal party in NY was in 1960

JFK was a pragamtist who cut taxes for the rich, created the space industry to curry cotes in Texas and Florida and had an adventurist foreign policy in in the Carribean and southeast asia.

[PhilipShore]

33. Well, a brief list of the Accomplishments of Liberalism from Liberal Party of NY and Turnleft...

http://www.liberalparty.org/issueanswer.shtml

The Liberal Party has helped make these principles the foundation for many of the national ideals and institutions which make our country so special:

Separation of church and state resulting in unprecedented religious freedom and an insistence upon tolerance.
An independent judiciary.
Separation of what is public and what is private.
Separation of governmental powers.
Representative democracy.
A public school system which once produced the best educated Americans in our time and helped make us the most powerful and influential nation-state in the history of the world.

Our achievements in our 'home state' of New York indicate our concern for the day to day needs of people. We are significantly responsible for:

The protection of the middle class through first-ever rent control laws.
The first consumer protection legislation in state history.
A national pioneering effort in support of congressional reapportionment.
Very strong civil rights platforms very early on in the movement.
Proposed laws to foster democratic and progressive trade union practices.
Very early support of National Health Insurance and social security benefits.
The development of credit unions, farm cooperatives and consumer movements.

___________________________________________

Accomplishments of Liberalism
http://www.cjnetworks.com/~cubsfan/libgood.html

So what have you done for me? If you are an American citizen, liberalism has done a lot for you. This list is nowhere near complete, but it touches on the highlights of liberalism's proudest accomplishments. Also, notice how many of these have the word "present" for the time frame. This shows that we are still reaping the benefits of these liberal programs today, in 1998. If you have an addition to this list, please send me e-mail. You may also be interested in what conservatives thought about many of these programs.


Interstate Highway System

era: 1950's-present



GI Bill

era: 1950's



Labor Laws

era: 1930's-present



Marshall Plan

era: late 1940's-1950's


Environmental Laws

era: 1970's-present



Food safety laws

era: 1910's-present



Workplace safety laws

era: 1930's-present



Social Security

era: 1930's-1970's



Economic Growth

era: 1950's-1960's


Space Program

era: 1950's-present


Peace corps

era: 1960's-present



Civil rights movement

era: 1950's-present



The fight against Totalitarianism

era: always


The Internet

era: 1960's-present


The Tennessee Valley project

thousands of new jobs.


Women's right to vote

era: 1920's-present



Universal Public Education

era: 1890's-present



National Weather Service

era: 1930's-present



Scientific Research

era: 1940's-present




Product Labeling/Truth in Advertising Laws

era: 1910's-present



Public Health




Morrill Land Grant Act



Rural Electrification




Public Universities




Bank Deposit Insurance




Earned Income Tax Credit



Centers for Disease Control and Prevention




Family and Medical Leave Act




Consumer Product Safety Commission




Public Broadcasting




Americans With Disabilities Act

[Perky]

39. all well and good but that hardly makes either JFK or Clark an ultra-liberal.

[karynnj]

34. I don't see many ultra liberal Democrats on that list - other than Mark Greenand RFKjr.

People like Feingold, Kerry, Kennedy, harkins, Boxer etc are not there. Clark is a good Democrat, but he voted for Reagan - he can't be that liberal. Ariana was a far right commentator until she became a far left wing one, not to mention she wasn't born in the US. Nader is not a Democrat.

Not to mention as a group most of them have not run for national office.

[ileus]

16. Huffington...

[in_cog_ni_to]

18. I picked Clark, but a Gore/Obama ticket would win too.

:)

[dysfunctional press]

19. Clark, Obama, or Edwards...

one way or another, one of these 3 will be the veep, and the other 2 will have cabinet positions.

i could see: Gore/Obama, with Clark as Sec. of Defense, and Edwards as attorney general.

[DefenseLawyer]

20. Gee, are you a Wes Clark supporter?

You left Charles Manson, Jeb Bush and Paris Hilton off your list.

[cgrindley]

22. Since he isn't running... no one

I don't know what more he can do to convince everyone that he isn't running.

Didn't everyone hear him this am on GMA?

[WI_DEM]

23. Barack Obama would be a strong running mate and represent the future

that would be a strong ticket. Gore/Obama.

[LaPera]

24. Col. Sanders.

[JNelson6563]

25. How about Bill Clinton?

heh

[Phillycat]

27. Can they do that?

Is that legal? I know it wouldn't happen, I'm just curious...

[LSK]

30. right from the Constitution

Amendment XXII

Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Section 2. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several states within seven years from the date of its submission to the states by the Congress.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxxii.html

[Phillycat]

31. But that doesn't say anything about former pres becoming vice pres.

[LSK]

29. talk about getting ahead our ourselves!

:wow:

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

35. What, no HRC in the poll?

Anyway, Edwards, Clark, BigDog (that was a good idea). Any of them.

NOT HRC, I was just kidding.

[Bucky]

36. Mark Green? Where the hell did that come from?

How does losing a citywide election in New York City to a Republican qualify someone to be vice president?

Sheesh, and to think people call southerners provincial.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

38. Gee, Stacking The Deck For Clark Much? LOL What A Silly Poll.

But it appears you intended it to be just that, so no biggie. :)