Citizens demand Patty Murray's arrest for war crimes...

[opusprime]

God, I love America.

These guys hit the nail right on the head, and call for the Police Chief to arrest the Senator right on the spot. They even mention her vote for the Patriot Act.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5177536367412092089

[helderheid]

1. WOW!

[flyarm]

2. we should all be doing this with our elected (?) officals!!

hold them all accountable!!

fly

[Tuesday_Morning]

9. That's right.

Hold them accountable.

[TechBear_Seattle]

12. Except during the elections, where we MUST support each and every Dem regardless

Crimeny, but I'm getting tired of that song.

[cali]

24. Yeah, I really want to see Senators Leahy and Sanders

arrested for war crimes. That's just insane.

[Donnachaidh]

3. It's going to come to THIS, isn't it?

We're NOT going to be listened to until the subject is shoved down the throats of our *representatives*.

I applaud these folks! Send THIS video to everyone you know!

[SusanaMontana41]

4. OMG

Those who support funding this illegal war underestimate the anger of the American people. And if Kindasleezy was right yesterday, that Bush may defy Congress on the war, watch out.

[opusprime]

6. You're right.

All it takes is one Police Chief to stand up, walk over to a Senator, and say "Senator, I'm placing you under arrest."

Watch the shit fly. It's time. They need to realize 2008 wont matter.

[mondo joe]

25. What precisely would you like an officer to charge her with?

[smalll]

48. Chilling -

All it takes is one Police Chief to stand up, walk over to a Senator, and say "Senator, I'm placing you under arrest."

What an idea. A coup not by the military, but by the gendarmerie - by the Police. Could maybe actually work at this stage in history, with all the many well-accoutered, well-armed police forces spread all out across every village in the land. Not much of an army to object either, them being so much out in the Middle East.

Who's more likely to actually attempt and pull off a little police coup d'etat though? moveon.org people, the World Can't Wait, A.N.S.W.E.R? Or, umm, who's that guy, BUSH? (Or at least Cheney.)

:scared:

Never forget freedom. Freedom has a history. The executive forces of the state have long been excluded from all the great legislatures, Parliaments, national assemblies, and strictly, too, for good reasons. I remember something about a Charles the First, "I see the birds have flown" - bursting in to the Commons with soldiers to seize his political enemies, Charles asking where they were, the Speaker of the House saying in response, in the face of his king and his soliders and his guns, "May it please your Majesty. I have neither eyes to see, nor tongue to speak in this place, but as the House is pleased to direct me, whose servant I am here."

Now I'm NOT saying that the Congress of today is properly and validly the voice of the American people. But I am saying, in light of history, it is far from prudent to hope for a solution to Congress's problems by coups of police.

[onenote]

5. I'm confused. Didn't Murray vote against the IWR?

Ive been off-line for a week. Did Murray do something in particular to warrant folks on a Democratic board applauding efforts to arrest her?

[opusprime]

7. She voted for the funding..

She voted for the Patriot Act.

And now she is telling Washington State legislators not to pursue impeachment.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

8. Patty Murray

did not vote for the IWR.

[TechBear_Seattle]

10. And people pissed and moaned when I supported her Dem opponents

And did other stuff, the mention of which would cause this post to be deleted. Let me tell you, I feel quite vindicated. I seriously believe that she and all the other Repugs except in name should be arrested for malfeasance (refusal to serve as the Constitutionally mandated check on executive power), if not treason.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

14. Can you tell me why you call

Murray a Repub except in name only? I don't understand. She voted against the IWR.

[TechBear_Seattle]

31. Oops, sorry. I was thinking of Maria Cantwell

As I posted above, I found myself humming that song from The Sound of Music, "How Do You Solve A Problem Like Maria?" Now I know why. :blush:

I still don't like Patty Murray very much, not after her vote for the federal Defense of Marriage Act and then her frequent statements that she still thinks second class citizenship for gay people is perfectly acceptable. But that is a different quarrel.

[bigtree]

41. heh, Wellstone voted for the patriot act

I think you folks would have Jesus arrested for having doubts in the desert

[Dr.Phool]

11. Novel idea.

Force them to cut off funding and impeach.

[Hamlette]

13. Makes me want to become a republican...honest.

This kind of theater makes us look like children and does no good except to hype up like minded theater goers.

Why no go after Rumsfeld?

I understand why some dems voted for the IWR. I like to think I would not have but I understand it. (There was an argument being made at the time that if we could show broad bi-partisan support in Congress for doing something serious in Iraq, we could get the UN to vote for a resolution insisting on inspectors. When Blair and Bill Clinton said they thought Iraq had WMD I wanted inspections. And, if the UN ordered inspections and Saddam refused then I might have considered going to war under the "what has he got to hide" defense. By February, when we knew there were no weapons, I wish Congress would have spoken up and done a "take back" but they did not. I find that more unforgivable than the vote itself.)

The "how did you vote in the war" attack is as guilty of rewriting history as the GOP is.

[ChickMagic]

36. I sort of feel the same way, Hamlette

It's one thing if I was against the war from the beginning. Congress has a greater responsibility. For one thing, they were told lies and had anything else happened, they would bear the burden. However, it is far past time to rescind the IWR.

[WI_DEM]

15. why don't they demand Bush and Cheney's arrest?

[Cleita]

16. Yep, cut the head off of the neo-con dragon. It would be

far more effective.

[11 Bravo]

19. You just don\'t get it, do you?

If we went after the neocon criminals in the administration who actually implemented and carried out the immoral and illegal policies to which we object, then we would forego the pleasure of participating in the traditional DU circular firing squad (patent pending); not to mention missing out on an opportunity to engage in the immensely popular \"more ideologically pure than thou\" game.

[Cleita]

21. LOL!

I don't participate in the DU circular firing squad very much anymore, unless it's about misinformation being spread about health care, poverty and racism, things I am very involved in.

[11 Bravo]

20. You just don\'t get it, do you?

If we went after the neocon criminals in the administration who actually implemented and carried out the immoral and illegal policies to which we object, then we would forego the pleasure of participating in the traditional DU circular firing squad (patent pending); not to mention missing out on an opportunity to engage in the immensely popular \"more ideologically pure than thou\" game.

[wildbilln864]

50. I'm all for that but...

Impeach Cheney first! :hi:

[cali]

17. Oh for fuck's sake.

What a bunch of idiots. Can't they find someone who's actually guilty of war crimes? There are plenty of them, and hint: They're largely repukes and NOT someone who voted against the war.

[smalll]

46. You have it.

"Some knuckleheads tried to have the 'Mom In Tennis Shoes' arrested for war crimes? That nice lady, a little mousy, a little pedestrian, who's that Democratic Senator from Washington?" - that's what most people would think, that's what I think too to be honest, not following Patty Murray that closely at all.

This kind of stunt does nothing good for the anti-war cause. Lakoff could write about things like this: not the usual skillful "framing" of the other side, but instead slipping under the unwieldly bulk of a frame you're intending to place around something - and having it crash back on you, breaking into pieces, you flat on your back.

What a way for them to try to send a message!

[Tom Joad]

18. During Nuremberg, i don't think it mattered much even if someone said they were "sorry"

So every senator who voted for the war should be held accountable.
Including those who vote for it to continue, in one form or another.

[cali]

22. ridiculous.

First of all, the comparison with Nurenberg is way off. Yes, Iraq is a travesty, but it is not comparable to WWII or the Holocaust. Is Cheney a war criminal? In my book, yes. Same for bush, but are you seriously suggesting that Feingold and Leahy and Sanders, and Frank and dozens of others like them are war criminals?

[opusprime]

26. "Is Cheney a war criminal?"

Yes. And as a citizen of the State of Washington, I demand that my Senator do something about it, and not just sit by as the atrocities continue.

If our elected officials are not going to do their jobs and prosecute the corrupt members of our government, then they are accomplices, and we should hold THEM accountable.

She doesnt get a free pass now because she voted against the IWR in 2002. We have a president whom has committed serious offenses against our country. Patty Murray sitting by and letting him to perpertrate his crimes is unacceptable.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

27. One senator cannot stop

the actions of the administration. Have you written to Senator Murray? I have, and can't beleive you are castigating her in this fashion. Murray is not the problem here.........

[TechBear_Seattle]

32. Which is why we must target ALL of *'s enablers n/t

[cali]

34. Yeah that makes a lot of sense.

Let's target Bernie Sanders and Pat Leahy and Russ Feingold (hasn't he voted to fund the war?) and Barney Frank, and Nancy Pelosi, and dozens more.

[cali]

28. I've seen Murray several times on C-Span 2

Speaking out against the war and the surge. What the fuck do you want her to do? Walk up to Cheney and perform a citizen's arrest? When you say you want her to do something, what precisely do you have in mind. And sorry, arresting her for war crimes for doing what YOU want, is beyond stupid.

[butterfly77]

23. Whatever happened to free speech...

even though I would have liked to see this happening to Duncan Hunter...

[RFKHumphreyObama]

29. Ummm....

Her voting record is much more solidly progressive than many of the Democratic senate caucus She supports stem cell research, same sex marriage, civil rights and a whole heap of other progressive values. She voted against the IWR, she voted against the Military Commissions Act and, while she may have voted for the re-authorization of the Patriot Act, she is a heck of a lot more progressive on foreign and national security policy than many other Democrats. Would this group calling for her arrest be happier with George Nethercutt as their Senator?
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Patty_Murray.htm
Talk about eating our own

[cali]

30. but, but, but

She's a war criminal goddamnit. She hasn't stormed the WH and placed bushcheney under arrest. She hasn't called them criminals in the Senate well! She's a traitor. She's a war criminal. Why can't you see that?

[RFKHumphreyObama]

33. LOL....it's amazing isn't it?

Who will we go after next? I'm dying to find out

[cali]

35. Actually, this thread with

all its cheerleading for arresting a liberal dem as a war criminal, and its place on the Greatest page, makes me furious. Its sickening that people can be such idiots.

[onenote]

37. it really is a travesty

In searching to find out if Murray had done something to warrant this crazy attack (and it really is crazy to think that a police chief can just arrest a US Senator for "war crimes" with no indictment, no arrest warrant, etc.), I discovered that the freepers are having the best laugh they've had in months over this...

[cali]

38. I'm, sure they are, but I don't give much of a damn

about the freeper's amusement, I'm just sorry to see this shit endorsed by ANY DUer, let alone make it to the Greatest page.

[opusprime]

43. It sickens me that you're such a bootlicker...

Patty Murray is my Senator. I voted for her, and I contributed to her campaign. She works for me.

This is from todays Seattle Times.

"Sen. Patty Murray and Congressman Jay Inslee are lobbying legislators to cancel this week's hearing on a resolution calling on Congress to investigate and consider impeaching President George Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney. Inslee and Murray, both Democrats who voted against the war, think state lawmakers holding hearings and voting on impeachment is a distraction from what Democrats are doing in Congress, including their efforts to end the war."

My U.S. Senator is lobbying my State Senator to knock off the 'impeachment' talk. When in reality, if my U.S. Senator was doing her job in the first place, the State Senator wouldn't need to be discussing impeachment in State legislative sessions.

My Senator claims that by forcing the U.S. Congress to begin impeachment proceeding, it will cause a distraction from what Democrats are doing to end the war.

Huh? What Democrats are doing to end the war?

Sorry, but I'm sick and tired of these weak knee'd, spineless elected officials. Our country has been severely damaged by this administration in too many ways to name. It is simply unacceptable to allow ANY politician to continue feeling comfortable in any way until they take a stand and end this madness.

Now, I'm not going to call you an idiot. But this is beyond partisanship for me. Until Senator Murray gets off her ass and quits playing it safe, I hope she cant hold one public event without being harrassed. I hope people start banging pots and pans outside her house so that she cant sleep at night.

Same for my other Senator, Maria Cantwell.

[cali]

45. Isn't that nice of you. You're not going to call be an idiot, just

a bootlicker. Aren't you superior.

Look, I disagree with Patty Murray on her efforts to end impeachment talk in the Washington Legislature, but it's fucking ridiculous to be calling her a war criminal and insisting she be arrested for such.

Protest? Sure. Banging pots and pans outside her house? Go ahead. Just don't whine about it when you get arrested for disturbing the peace.

Guess what? My new Senator, Bernie Sanders isn't pro-impeachment either. Neither is Pat Leahy. They're both doing a splendid job. I don't agree with them on everything, but that doesn't make them war criminals. That kind of hyperbole does far more harm than good.

[mondo joe]

49. Your suggested police coup is pretty sickening too.

As is your suggested harassment.

[geek tragedy]

39. Nutjobs flirting with authoritarianism.

"We don't like the way you talk or vote, so we want you arrested."

Sheesh, they're worse than Freepers.

[bigtree]

40. lunatics

Patty Murray is an excellent senator.

[uppityperson]

42. Idiots, go after Cantwell, NOT Murray.

At least get the right WA Senator.

[133724]

44. that is for sure... Patty usually does a very good job... What about reicheart???

[LeftishBrit]

47. I think that Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld and Rice and my own dear Tony are war criminals

Because of their actual actions.

I don't consider that simply voting for or 'enabling' someone bad, let alone failing to impeach them, is a war crime. The point is: where does it end? Should private citizens who vote Republican or Tory or 'New Labour' be arrested? I think that democracy means that people have a right to vote for bad things as well as good things. If a politician is seen as inadequate, then vote against her, or demonstrate against her policies; but calling for her arrest, when she was not the architect or perpetrator of the policies, is not something I'd support.