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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 03:55 PM
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The hate in this LTTE is amazing:
This was in response to a pretty well-written response to the first letter. I'll let you guess what it was about.

I just have no idea what to feel about a country this person still lives in. :(


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Dear editor,

I want to personally thank Mr. XXXXX for his venomous attack on my
wife, XXXXXX, in last week’s paper. In doing so, he fell
into the trap that that “simple minded” (as he put it) lady prepared for
him. I will explain this in due course, but first I will go back in time
and open up a part of my life that has been shut off for many, many years.
Nobody, absolutely nobody has ever heard this, but the time is appropriate
to bring it to light (Outing, as Mr. XXXX's friends would call it).

In the mid 50’s I was attending a private high school in Baltimore,
Maryland. It was located about fifteen miles from my home in the suburbs
and I commuted on the local transit bus. During the winter of my sophomore
year the bus company went on strike and I had to forage for rides. One
evening I was left stranded and had to walk home. After walking about ten
miles, I was very tired and cold, when a light blue 55 Chevy coupe pulled
up and a man rolled down the window and asked if I needed a ride. Despite
all the warnings from my parents, I said yes and got into the warm car.
Needless to say, it only took a few minutes until the smooth talking
started and the man’s hand was on my thigh. I panicked, but we were
traveling too fast to get out. The advances continued, the hand kept
stroking, until finally the traffic slowed. With the car still moving, I
bailed out, rolling toward the curb. Then I got up and ran. For over an
hour, I was forced to hide while the man in the light blue Chevy slowly
cruised back and forth in the darkness, looking for me. When I got home,
my parents asked why I was bleeding and had torn clothes. Fearing
retribution for having accepted a ride from a stranger, I told them I fell
after being chased by a big dog.

Fast forward about thirty five years. I had accepted a position as Head of
Production for a business segment of a major aerospace company. This
included a number of departments, one of which I was soon to discover, was
partly staffed by a contingent of lesbians. At the center of this group
were three hard core bull dykes who had controlled the shop for years. In
due course we had to add staff, and one of the new employees was an
attractive young lady who was immediately targeted by the bulls as “their
property”. Rebuffing their overtures, the employee spoke to her supervisor
about the incidents. The supervisor had a meeting with the group and told
them to knock it off immediately or they would be liable for sexual
harassment. The harassment then turned to sabotage of the employee’s work.
When the supervisor came to me for help, I went to HR to initiate
disciplinary action, but they went spineless and did nothing. In
frustration, I transferred the employee out of the department.

There was a third incident that I will not discuss in this forum, or
anywhere else, but which added to the body of perceptions and opinions on
this lifestyle group by both my wife and myself.

What is the common denominator in these situations? Unbridled, perverted
lust by deviates. It justifies my wife's comment about a “wellspring of
perversion”, though I suspect she has her own personal list of experiences
to draw from. These are the people that Mr. XXXXXX considers so wonderful
and worthy of his protection. Predator perverts trolling parks and
playgrounds for fresh thrills must be normal in his world, or he would not
be so vehement in excoriating anyone opposed to his personal vision of
diversity.

This brings us up to the present, and Mr. XXXXXXX’s comments. Before
she submitted her letter, I told my wife that this letter would bring out
the wackos and that it could get ugly. She said she understood this, that
she really believed in what she wrote, and that it’s use of hyperbole
(exaggeration to make a point) in the “Yes, I am a bigot” declaration would
flush them out and show them for what they are. Congratulations, XXXX –
you played your role perfectly.

As for myself, I served eight years in the service, surviving three tours
in Viet Nam and a spitting incident upon at arrival in uniform at LAX by a
rabid, stringy haired female hatemonger who sounded a lot like good old
XXXXXX. I did my service to defend the Constitution, which provides the
right for people like Mr. XXXXXX to speak as they please. That being
said, I am calling Mr. XXXXXXX a fraud. He would deny others the same
right of free speech that he so venomously uses himself. His way or
nothing. Does he have a right to his opinion? Of course. Does he have the
right to deny freedom of expression to someone else? Never! Am I afraid
of you Mr. XXXXXX, and your lies? No, I stopped running from
perverts and their protectors in 1956.

If you believe that propaganda died with Joseph Goebbels in Hitler’s bunker
in 1945, think again. It is alive and strong. Mr. XXXXXX's diatribe is
typical of the militant gay-lesbian propaganda that unendingly spews from
the mouths of the liberals to further their agenda. Sounding like the
bellowing of a drag queen in heat, XXXXX parrots the lines frequently heard
in liberal oriented colleges and universities. I remember in grad school,
the student motto was ‘cooperate and graduate’. We were forced to salute
the personal views of the cloistered, elitist intellectual professors,
because to disagree was to fail. Mr. XXXXXX takes this brainwashing,
thought control process a step further, in the manner of a skilled
propagandist. He does this by attribution, accusing his victim of things
they never said or did, and clothing his rhetoric in the robes of
respectability. This is untruthful. It is a lie. Beware of the demagogue
who would hand you a turd and tell you it is candy. My professional career
was spent in engineering and management, where I was trained to seek and
use data and make fact based decisions. Mr. XXXXXX offers no data or
fact, just his word. (Un)surprisingly, people like Mr. XXXXXX always
attract a gullible entourage, because it is easier to follow than to think.
Be careful of the candy he offers, and give it the sniff test before you
swallow. Mr. XXXXXX would have you believe that anyone who did not share
his point of view was a yellow dog and a pariah (What did you say XXXXX, we
should wear conical white hats?). If you don’t believe this, just re-read
his letter. Pay special attention to his rantings about my wife’s alleged
homophobic fears. People who know either of us recognize it for the lie it
is. She and I both subscribe to the ”don’t ask, don’t tell” approach.
Neither of us freak out when dealing or interfacing a gay or lesbian person
who keeps his/her personal life private. Militants of any persuasion,
however, raise red flags.

Mr. XXXXXXX asked if my wife would be paralyzed with fear at the thought of
a gay president signing some hypothetical environmental legislation into
law. Not likely, but again, Mr. XXXXXX missed the point completely. The
primary concerns were that such a president would fall victim to the
pressures of the groups that engineered his/her ascent to power and would
support legislation supportive of their narrow views to the detriment of
the broader base of society, or even worse, have people like Mr. XXXXXX
serving in positions of power, creating public policy.

Another thing in my wife’s brief letter that really seemed to upset Mr.
XXXXXXX was the phrase “so-called ‘gays’”. The simple fact is that
this group hijacked the word to whitewash their lifestyle. I went to the
Websters New 20th Century Dictionary (Unabridged) and looked up a couple of
words. This book is a monstrous tome weighing in at about 20 pounds.
Anyway, it defines Gay as 1)joyous and lively, 2)bright, brilliant, 3)given
to social pleasures, 4)wanton, licentious. The second word I looked up
also had a variety of definitions, including “homosexual”. At the risk of
incurring Mr. XXXXXXX's displeasure, I will only hint that the second word
has five letters, begins with a ‘Q’ and ends with an ’R’. The reader can
decide which is more accurate in describing this group.

Just so you know, Mr. XXXXXXX, others share the view that my wife
courageously put her name to. We had phone calls from complete strangers
and were stopped on the street by people telling us “thank you for saying
what you did, I would never have had the guts to do it”.

I did not particularly enjoy having to write this letter, but it was one of
those dirty jobs in life that had to be done, like taking out the garbage,
in this case, Mr. XXXXXX's garbage. And, as when taking out the garbage,
I will wash my hands and forget about it. It is time to do better things.

XXXXXXXX
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 03:58 PM
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1. Inadvertent double post.
Edited on Mon Feb-26-07 03:59 PM by Redstone
Redstone
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 03:58 PM
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2. Letter to WHAT editor? What newspaper would publish THAT?
Redstone
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 03:59 PM
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3. Wow, I need to take a shower after reading that
x(
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:00 PM
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4. Hmm, since I've been grabbed, groped, nearly raped, etc. by heterosexual men
over the years, what should I recommend we do about it. Outlaw heterosexuality? Lock up all heterosexual men? Deny them civil rights?

I'm so confused. Obviously just reporting it (when there was someone to report it to), avoiding known grabbers, and running like he** when a situation got ugly just wasn't enough.

I feel so silly! I should've gone all ape-shit, written letters to the Editor, etc.

Honestly, do these people think that women grow up in this United States without being accosted somewhere along the line?
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:06 PM
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11. I've said it before, but I honestly think the fear that
drives most homophobes is being treated the way women are treated every day. Seriously. I know that's probably not a popular statement, but.... just my experience.

And as for the letter, never mind that most pedophiles are heterosexuals - god forbid anything factual come out in this guy's letter.
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WernhamHogg Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:45 PM
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22. Exactly!
When I was 14, I had a classmate sexually harass me on an almost daily basis. I was bullied into not reporting him (something I regret to this day). Touching me, grabbing me, threating me, saying nasty things to me, etc...but I highly doubt that the author of the letter would call the heterosexual male who harassed me a "deviant".
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 05:14 PM
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25. No, they think women should be flattered by the attention
Honest.
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:01 PM
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5. Must have been an incredibly slow news day/week/year
to print such a looooong letter from this blowhard.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:02 PM
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6. wow. Fear and hate. Good to know people are still under their sway
on the other hand, his reference to being spat upon after Viet Nam make me doubt all of this letter.
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 05:01 PM
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24. The three tour jive turned on my crap detector.
:wtf: did that have to do with anything.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 05:29 PM
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27. it proved that he's most likely full of crap
er... I mean, a "real American hero."
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back2basics909 Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:03 PM
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7. I am pretty sure the...
.. origional letter was in the Chicago tribune. I remember seeing both the origional (the wife) and a fairly reasonable responce.
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:30 PM
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17. How long ago was this?
I went back a week in their online records and couldn't find anything.
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:03 PM
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8. What newspaper would print that
and allow the words "bull-dykes?"

Either way, sounds like someone has an issue with a whole group of people based on the actions of a few. I guess that means because I'm a lesbian that I should be sexually harassing and sabotaging fellow female co-workers? OH wait, I freelance so I don't have any female co-workers to harass... damnit!
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:03 PM
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9. who would publish such a thing?
there are nuts everywhere but whoever publishes this kind of shit has a bigger problem.
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demrabble Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:05 PM
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10. Diarrhea of Words
I'm amazed that any editor would publish such a long and pointless letter.

The person who wrote it needs help.

And quickly.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:07 PM
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12. Wow. And how true, no woman has ever been 'hit on' by strange men in the history
of the world. Does this idiot realize how many women have been raped and/or murdered by men giving them lifts in this country alone? And there's never been any type of sexual harassment cases in the USA between the sexes, has there? And if we are going to talk about" Predator perverts trolling parks and playgrounds for fresh thrills", should we look at the actual crime data? I think XXXXX would discover that about 95% of those 'predators' are heterosexual!
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maggiegault Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:13 PM
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13. And My Response To HIS Letter Would Be....
Dear Hatemonger:

So, have you known that you prefer men sexually for your entire life, or is it just a recent discovery?

Love,
maggiegault

***************************
The letter is an incredibly lengthy exercise in Methinks He Doth Protest Too Much. He is suppressing some major homosexual tendencies there, approaching homosexual panic (as is often the case with these types).

How terribly sad, to make yourself so miserable over something as relatively trivial as sex. Even sadder, it's the morons like this one that make the lives of gays so miserable. I guess it is true about misery loving company.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:20 PM
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14. "this group hijacked the word to whitewash their lifestyle" - not so much
Not to put too fine a point on it, but I like word etymology so I had to go look.

Although the OED in physical form weighs a bit more than 20 pounds *snark* the online version responds quite nicely even on a laptop which weighs about 6-8 pounds (it's old-ish); I'll take the OED for accuracy in etymology over Webster any day. The etymology of the word gay goes back quite a ways as shown here in the OED online entry and as shown here and quoted below from the Online Etymology Dictionary, which also weighs only as much as my laptop at the moment.

1178, "full of joy or mirth," from O.Fr. gai "gay, merry," perhaps from Frank. *gahi (cf. O.H.G. wahi "pretty"). Meaning "brilliant, showy" is from c.1300. OED gives 1951 as earliest date for slang meaning "homosexual" (adj.), but this is certainly too late; gey cat "homosexual boy" is attested in N. Erskine's 1933 dictionary of "Underworld & Prison Slang;" the term gey cat (gey is a Scot. variant of gay) was used as far back as 1893 in Amer.Eng. for "young hobo," one who is new on the road and usually in the company of an older tramp, with catamite connotations. But Josiah Flynt <"Tramping With Tramps," 1905> defines gay cat as, "An amateur tramp who works when his begging courage fails him." Gey cats also were said to be tramps who offered sexual services to women. The "Dictionary of American Slang" reports that gay (adj.) was used by homosexuals, among themselves, in this sense since at least 1920. Rawson <"Wicked Words"> notes a male prostitute using gay in reference to male homosexuals (but also to female prostitutes) in London's notorious Cleveland Street Scandal of 1889. Ayto <"20th Century Words"> calls attention to the ambiguous use of the word in the 1868 song "The Gay Young Clerk in the Dry Goods Store," by U.S. female impersonator Will S. Hays. The word gay in the 1890s had an overall tinge of promiscuity -- a gay house was a brothel. The suggestion of immorality in the word can be traced back to 1637. Gay as a noun meaning "a (usually male) homosexual" is attested from 1971.


Seems that "whitewash" was a bit old, gray and peeling by the time it was used in 1971. The author of this rant needs to get a clue and an OED or a computer and some google skills...for starters.

~Cerridwen (who is feeling nerdy today and decided to look up one piece of fallacy in the letter at the OP)

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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:22 PM
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15. I have rarely seen so many words employed to say so little
If this guy was an engineer, I'll bet he was an extraordinarily bad one.
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:31 PM
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18. Off-topic
but you reminded me of a great lesson one of my Chief Petty Officer's taught me.

He used to say; "Never use more than 3 words to say 'I don't know'"
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:39 PM
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21. sage advice...n/t
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:26 PM
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16. Wow! This guy hits all the Hannity talking points, doesn't he?
Edited on Mon Feb-26-07 04:30 PM by maxrandb
He was accosted by a homosexual briefly before he got a degree from a "lieberal" college despite the brainwashing of the rabid left-wing pinko elitist professors, but that was before the "bull dykes" where he works were "grab-assing" the new "hottie", while the "socialist" HR folks he reported it to did nothing, which occurred sometime after he got back from three tours in the "NAM" and was spit upon by a "flying, singing, writing long-haired hippie weirdo freak".

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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:35 PM
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19. Why the X'es? nt
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:37 PM
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20. Nice Piece Of Fiction
I wonder how long he sat in mom's basement brooding all the stereotypes and hatred in that screed. Honestly, I got to the end of the second paragraph and that was enough. Not only does this bullshit ramble, but seems like the typical wingnut fabricated "reality" where they make up some story or pull something out of their ass...dress it up as some "personal experience" and play the victim.

If this thing was printed, one has to question the sanity and editing abilities of the editor. This thing deserved not just the blue pencil, but the blue eraser as well.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:46 PM
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23. Two letters in the same day!
Wow, this letter and one I just read in Time both have writers who claim to be Vietnam veterans who were spat on when they came back to the States. What are the odds?

Looks like the Mighty Republican Wurlitzer is cranking up a medley of golden oldies, replete with the "spat upon veterans" myth so beloved by the right wing crew that's so enamored of war, yet so unable to actually, you know, go join one. Or have their kids sign up for one.
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MamaBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 05:23 PM
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26. Self-loathing evident here.
This is not too unusual, or so I understand, with people who have been assaulted -- sometimes even approached. They blame themselves for the incident, and then turn their rage out on a generalized population.

If the incident in the car happened the way the writer claims it did (could have), then he is innocent. Yet he blames himself for getting into the car, for seeking warmth when he was tired and cold. Then he blames an entire class of people for making him tired and cold and unable to seek warmth. It's twisted, but it's the way it works sometimes.

Evidently he found a mate as terrified, humiliated and enraged as he is. Pity their church can't help them come to a place of peace and forgiveness, instead of this impotent (so far) rage.

The women he cites appear to have been bullies (if the story is told truthfully and without prejudice). So it is really okay to dislike bullies. Yet these people broaden that to a whole, innocent class of people.

I guess it's hard sometimes to try to live consciously.
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distantearlywarning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 05:42 PM
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28. Yeah, because we all know heterosexuals are NEVER sexually deviant.
:eyes:

What a maroon.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 05:46 PM
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29. Nothing in that farrago of idiocy is there a shred of truth.
Edited on Mon Feb-26-07 05:51 PM by karlrschneider
:puke:

edit: He claims, "During the winter of my sophomore
year the bus company went on strike and I had to forage for rides. One
evening I was left stranded and had to walk home. After walking about ten
miles, I was very tired and cold..."

He went to a 'private school' and couldn't get his parents to pick him up? This guy is a delusional
and (very poor) purveyor of puerile fiction.
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