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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:30 AM
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They got their Total Information network you know. We didn't kill it.
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 08:31 AM by ThomWV
Remember that Total Information Awareness program that Poindexter was trying to set up at the Pentagon? We killed it but everyone knew it would just burrow under ground and continue.

Today we have lost any sense of privacy. We are as open as an ant farm. Not one bit of information that has ever been collected about you, not one action that you take, not one dime that you spend, not a single word that finds it way into your medical history is safe from Government inspection. It is likely every record of your working life, every electronic communications you have ever had or ever will have, every record of your education, every arrest, every credit transaction, every dime that you have earned, and your damned dental records are in files in a hundred data bases and now days they all talk to each other.

Isn't it odd that we are fed a constant diet of fear mongering but the objects we are trained to fear never include the White House?
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:40 AM
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1. Yep, they have us. And a big part of the reason they have us is
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 08:41 AM by Dhalgren
because we did not have and do not have any viable opposition parties. It may be too late, but I am going to find me an opposition party and support it. I may wind up in a camp somewhere, but my money and effort are now going to go to some kind of real opposition. That is all I can do...
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:42 AM
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2. Big Brother, Inc
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:50 AM
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3. "We are obedient little proles, and we loves us our totalitarian ant farm." - fREAPers
"We don't have to think, and we certainly don't have to stand up for the Constitution or America or question authority. All we have to do is let Big BushCo love and protect us, and we are ever so snug in our version of fact-depleted reality. Smug. Smirk."

- fREAPers
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:51 AM
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4. Quick...where's that magnifying glass?!
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:34 PM
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5. I've always had two questions about this mania for information gathering/snooping...
(Pardon the extreme length; I seem incapable these days of using one sentence when three paragraphs will do.)

The first is: Ultimately, what's the plan for all this data? Fascist governments always seem to obsess about every detail of the private lives of their subjects, no matter how trivial.

Why is that? What does it buy them in the end? Isn't it enough to, say, look at a couple dozen political emails from somebody to determine if they're an enemy of the state? Why all the rest? And what do they do with all that extra data? Establish patterns? Find and track your family and friends? Steal your bank accounts?

I've no idea, but domestic surveillance is one of those repressive actions that dictatorships always default to -- like these pricks, who started snooping back in February 2001, despite lying to us that domestic surveillance is only to protect us from another "event of 9/11(tm)."


And the other question: Why have the majority of Americans rolled over yet again and accepted this complete takeover by Bush/Cheney with almost no meaningful resistance? We've been the world leaders in political apathy for decades, so it's no great surprise, but still... You'd think that when something as fundamental as your right to privacy and freedom from governmental snooping is threatened, you'd at least try to do something about it.

You'd expect to react with outrage, get politically active, join groups who are resisting this crap and badger the hell out of your representatives (useless though they are in most cases). But no; nothing like that happened, except from the usual groups like the saints at the ACLU, who at least half of America thinks is a subversive, pinko commie organization stealing our precious bodily fluids while we sleep. Maybe I just answered my own question...

Anyway, you look at the rest of the world -- particularly South and Central America and South Asia, along with continuous European trade union activism -- and things are exploding. People everywhere seem to have finally had it with right wing dictators stealing everything that isn't bolted down -- particularly those militarist, murdering wingnuts who are propped up by the CIA on behalf of US corporate interests. Unlike the places cited in Bush-babble, freedom really IS on the march in these countries.

They're electing a bunch of socialist land reformers, brand new leaders who advocate redistribution of wealth and nationalization of vital industries and, weirdest of all to an American, they actually stand for people over profits and govern accordingly. This of course pisses the US power elites off to no end. They've become facile in mouthing the correct pieties about "reform" in the abstract without having to deal with the messy reality. Actual reform is absolutely "off the table," as some highly forgettable congressperson once said.

But it's the centerpiece of the table throughout the rest of the world. People are fighting and dying to assert or keep their freedoms. And we go the reverse route; we just roll over like placid little emotionless androids and let the sons of bitches walk right in and steal everything of value in this country.

They leave behind the ugly underside of Americanism for us to wallow in every day: hyper-consumerism, Britany culture, religious insanity, debt and wage slavery, grinding poverty, no social safety net and all the stuff that makes European emigration look like such a great idea.

Seeing how little we care about our birthright as Americans, the US political leadership, such as it is -- from both treacherous sides of the aisle -- is free to toss the Constitution into the trash like last week's moldy pizza. And they're right; there are no consequences, other than a few scattered protest marches that didn't really happen anyway because our complicit media didn't cover them.

How did we get this disconnected from issues as vital and basic as our Constitutional heritage? When did a society whose creation myth places such high value on self-determinism and rugged individualism learn to cave to institutional authority without even breaking stride?

How can we be so casual and dispassionate when these hard-won freedoms and rights are being stolen right before our eyes? Are most of us really that thick or undereducated or alienated? Is it just the goddamned mass media keeping us dummied down after all? How about being too busy, broke and stressed to care about anything beyond our noses?

Here's a possible answer. It seems to me that there's at least on very important distinction between the US and these other countries.

Most, if not all, the people living in nations currently engaged in the struggle against governmental oppression have had recent experiences with the miserable reality of neo-colonialism, fascism, military dictatorships or Soviet-style totalitarianism -- either in their own countries, such as in Central and South America, or as members of a resistance force fighting to eradicate it, as was the case throughout Europe and much of Africa. They know fascism first-hand, have lived with its toxicity, and many would literally rather die than relive it.

The US, however, is just learning the ropes. Unfortunately, because we're slow learners, I think all we'll ultimately learn is how to open our mouths ever wider so the massuhs can shovel in even more shit, which we'll passively swallow because we don't really know anything these days besides obedience and complicity in our own oppression.

We've had various fascist movements here, and it's likely that fascists have pulled the strings in the US at various times over the past 120 years -- maybe a lot longer. But other than a few periods of hyper-patriotism, such as at the start of WW I and WW II when the right cracked down on dissent a lot harder than it is now, the US has retained at least "the illusion of freedom," as Frank Zappa famously said, because "...it's (still) profitable to continue the illusion."

But that era seems to be ending. The elites and dominant corporations have achieved a nearly unassailable position atop the social pyramid, largely due to that same warped part of the American character that rolls over in the face of institutional authority. Since nobody's doing much of a job fighting back, there's really little need to hide the grim reality behind a curtain any more.

Given that Bush/Cheney's top priority is the continued transfer of wealth from bottom to top, a transfer that is largely accomplished and will be virtually completed by the coming economic depression, maybe maintaining the illusion is getting a little too expensive to bother with. Maybe it's time to strike the set and expose the machinery of the totalitarian state and just "disappear" anyone who doesn't like it.

A lot of this began when we were taught in 2001 by mass media to see an amoral megalomaniac and intellectual incompetent as a noble leader and "war president." It continued when we consented to do a voluntary striptease for the TSA voyeurs just to board an airliner. It really got a kick start when our fine elected reps passed the patriot act without bothering to read it. And it reached maturity with the war fever and blood lust the administration whipped up by dragging the public into Cheney's alternate universe of paranoid fantasies, impossible hypotheses and shameless lies. Assisted again by mass media, the public bought this nonsense, chanted USA! USA! a few million times, and gave a hearty thumbs-up for invading Iraq.

After a while, we just got so used to the daily outrages that we failed to notice we were being slowly drained of our heritage as the leaches and parasites and profiteers and petty hustlers lined up to rob us of our money, our dignity, our jobs, our rights as human beings and our legacy as US citizens.

Now we're so used to being betrayed -- by this horrible excuse for an administration and by the congress we worked so hard to elect in 2006 -- that we're about half-way between the fourth and fifth stages of grief, transitioning from depression to acceptance. And if we ever do accept all this as normality or, worse, a positive step toward preserving the empire, we're cooked -- as a people, a nation and as honorable individuals and citizens of the world. We'll have no more right to breathe free air than does Karl Rove or Defibrillator Dick.

Using the US citizenry and capital punishment as the metaphor, I think the status quo looks like this: The scaffold is built and ready to go, the noose is in place and the hangman is heading slowly up the stairs.

All that's left is one little precipitating event -- and you don't even need another act of phony terror; a major storm or earthquake or power grid failure will do these days, thanks to NSPD 51/HSPD-20 -- and the lever creaks, the trapdoor opens, the hooded body politic drops, thrashes around for a minute or two, then hangs as lifeless as the Constitution and the Bill of Rights until somebody cuts it down and buries it in an unmarked grave.

The applause from DC is deafening as our elected representatives can finally go about their corrupt little lives without scrutiny from the irrelevant proletariat, as well as the more bothersome members of the free press -- all three of them left standing after mergers and acquisitions thinned the herd and "repurposed" corporate media as the ministry of propaganda for the GOP.


But don't mind me; I'm a little cranky today, having just heard another US for-profit medicine horror story. I'm collecting them for a possible book, so send them this way -- the more depressing the better.

This one may be hideous enough to deserve its own thread, possibly an OpEdNews article, certainly a few pages in the book.

Pardon me while I go punch a wall.


wp
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:11 PM
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10. It's as if we're being tagged like cattle.
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 01:12 PM by sicksicksick_N_tired
Moreover, so many do seem pacified into submissiveness,...like cattle, too.

Everything you reveal that has and is happening in this nation seems completely unreal, to me, in spite of the fact it is all true. I find myself turning away, closing my eyes to what is most likely ahead of us down this path.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:36 PM
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6. new codename for the OP is "basketball"
and is being worked in conjunction with a private government contractor.
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:41 PM
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7. Please elaborate. PM me if you need to, although I'm sure we could all use this info. n/t
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:53 PM
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8. Code Name Basketball
The source for this WebPage is: http://www.legitgov.org/exclusive_tia_basketball_120204.html

CLG Exclusive: Citizens For Legitimate Government can report today an exclusive story about the Total Information Awareness program (TIA), initiated by Admiral (retired) John Poindexter. CLG exclusive source tells us that a day after 9-11, Poindexter’s office of the TIA program was already established in the Pentagon. Says inside, unnamed source, Poindexter had the TIA program ready to roll out on 9/12/2001, the day after 9-11. Five days after 9-11, the TIA office was fully functional. Asked if that means the program was ready to rollout previous to 9/11, the source familiar with the program and privy to top-secret government contractors said, "of course."


The Total Information Awareness Program that was headed by Poindexter was disassembled after Congress decided against it, rightly asserting that it constituted an invasion of citizen privacy. TIA chief, Admiral John Poindexter, resigned August 29, 2003, amidst controversy over TIA as well as the revelation of a DARPA program that would have allowed investors to bet on assassinations and terror attacks.


However, the CLG's exclusive inside source familiar with program says that as is the case with all ghosts, they never really go away. The TIA program, headed by Poindexter, has been completely reassembled under an intelligence agency of the US government, operating under the same terms as intended by Poindexter. No longer called TIA, the new code name for the project is "Basketball." Under the name "Basketball," that is, TIA has bounced to a new office and is still collecting information about Americans.


The original outcry against the DoD caused them and DARPA to send the project underground to a government contractor to avoid public scrutiny.

Here is a great story that posted some info.

http://www.alternet.org/story/36593/?page=entire

intelligence watchdogs say that Bush has already implemented it by fiat -- Executive Order 13388 appears to authorize the Pentagon to access domestic intelligence files. Also, the military has already created a robust collection system of its own. A new Northern Command, established in Colorado in 2001 to monitor Americans, now employs more intelligence analysts than does the Homeland Security Department. Also, the Marines launched an operation under a 2004 executive order for the "collection, retention and dissemination of information concerning U.S. persons," noting that the corps will be "increasingly required to perform domestic missions." And, during the past five years, each of the service branches has created its own domestic snooping enterprises. As Sen. Ron Wyden complained last year, "We are deputizing the military to spy on law-abiding Americans in America. This is a huge leap without even a hearing."
<snip>
Luckily, a couple of years ago, this massive invasive madness came to light. The public howled so loudly that Congress rose up and demanded that the program be terminated, and Poindexter was forced to slink away.

But wait -- who's that guy in the shadows, and what's he doing? He's Brian Sharkey, Poindexter's close pal who was a key player in the creation of TIA. He now heads a firm that's been getting government contracts to keep pursuing TIA's shadowy projects. In an internal email to TIA's subcontractors, Sharkey gleefully announced: "Fortunately, a new sponsor has come forward that will enable us to continue much of our previous work." He added that the TIA effort would henceforth go by the cryptic code name of "Basketball."

The new "sponsor" of this hoops game is a highly classified outfit called Advanced Research and Development Activity (ARDA) that is housed inside NSA (yes, the very agency that's been running George W's illegal domestic spying program). In a February public hearing, Sen. Wyden asked Bush's director of national security and the head of the FBI a direct question: "We want to know if Mr. Poindexter's programs are going on somewhere else." We don't know, replied our nation's top two snoops. When a reporter asked an NSA spokesman whether TIA had been moved to ARDA, he clammed shut: "We can neither confirm nor deny actual or alleged projects." ARDA itself is now being moved to the national intelligence agency and given a new name: "Disruptive Technology Office." It's hard to follow all of the trick passes of "Basketball," but the bottom line is that TIA was halted in name only, having been stealthily slipped into another agency that has been moved and had its own name changed.

SALUTE YOUR BIG BROTHER. Three years ago, the Pentagon set up a new, ultrasecret agency called CIFA, for Counterintelligence Field Activity. Its initial task was to detect terrorist plots against military installations in the United States, but two years ago, a directive from the Pentagon's top ranks ordered CIFA to broaden its scope by creating and maintaining "a domestic law enforcement database." The agency's motto became "Counterintelligence to the Edge."

In May 2003, Rumsfeld's top deputy, "Howling Paul" Wolfowitz, authorized a new snooping operation code-named TALON (Threat And Local Observation Notice). It directed military officers throughout the country to collect raw information about suspicious activities by local people and to feed reports on them into

CIFA's humming computers. In its first year alone, TALON's far-flung network of military snoops fed more than 5,000 "local activity" reports into the electronic maw of CIFA.


<snip>

this is a deep deep rabbit hole



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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:50 PM
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11. Just when you thought they couldn't fuck you over any more....
Wow. Thanks a lot for the clips and the links.


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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:56 PM
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9. I always knew they wouldn't back off from that.
they were already in too deep. It was obvious from the beginning. Otto Reich? Give me a break!
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windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:40 PM
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12. As soon as there are any plans for demonstrations
there are articles, "leaks' about some new pentagon crowd control weapon, or story about police brutality. TV shows and movies show an unbelievable increase in use of force against citizenry, if you compare shows now to even 10 years ago. Resistance would happen in this country when people cease to be afraid of the consequences, but for now I believe the psychological deterrents are working.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:47 PM
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13. Yep. Immunity focus was, in part, a distraction. nt
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 04:21 PM
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14. Unless someone manually put medical files into computer databases...
this isn't likely. Most records are still on paper, so they don't have our records, yet. But my children will never know a world where the government doesn't know everything about you. Also, using cash is untraceable, even though the Treasury department has unsuccessfully spent billions of dollars on a system that will track the serial numbers on american currency. Oh brave world...
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