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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:58 AM
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Air Force's stealth fighters making final flights (AP/CNN)
DAYTON, Ohio (AP) -- The world's first attack aircraft to employ stealth technology is slipping quietly into history.

The inky black, angular, radar-evading F-117, which spent 27 years in the Air Force arsenal secretly patrolling hostile skies from Serbia to Iraq, will be put in mothballs next month in Nevada.

Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio, which manages the F-117 program, will have an informal, private retirement ceremony Tuesday with military leaders, base employees and representatives from Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico.

The last F-117s scheduled to fly will leave Holloman on April 21, stop in Palmdale, California, for another retirement ceremony, then arrive on April 22 at their final destination: Tonopah Test Range Airfield in Nevada, where the jet made its first flight in 1981.

The government has no plans to bring the fighter out of retirement, but could do so if necessary.
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more: http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/11/stealth.fighter.ap/index.html
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Ordr Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:00 AM
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1. Amazing instruments of advanced technology.
The ancestral line of the new F22s is beyond impressive.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:11 AM
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2. An old friend in California was a model maker for Lockheed in the 70's
and worked on the plane. We would always ask him what was new and he smiled this big shit eating grin, but didn't tell me until the plane went operational what he had been working on.


It seems so pimative now compared to the F22.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:11 AM
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3. Is there a newer version
Didn't they cost a gazillion dollars? There were impressive to see in the air but were they worth the cost?
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:12 AM
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4. Is anything military worth the cost?
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Ordr Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:16 AM
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6. As long as it allows our soliders to come home safely.
(yes, I know that preemptive war in itself diminishes that safety but as long as they are there they might as well have the best at their disposal)
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:54 AM
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9. It's not what our soldiers need
They don't need another multi-function billion dollar aircraft.

They need body armor, bullets and armor-plated vehicles.

The U.S. does not need new fighter aircraft because, for the past 35 years, it has seldom used the ones it has for air combat. Since the end of the Vietnam airwar in January 1973, U.S. fighter pilots have shot down just 54 hostile aircraft. That's merely 1.5 per year. Therefore, how can we justify extremely expensive next-generation aircraft for which there appears to be no valid mission?

A closer analysis reveals that fighter-versus-fighter combat is increasingly rare. Of the total U.S. kills since 1973, six here helicopters, and four were trainers. That leaves only 44 potentially serious opponents downed in three-and-a-half decades.
...

However one defines the war on terrorism, it doesn't involve any aerial combat. Yet almost certainly, the current global conflict will prove multigenerational: the Crusades lasted 200 years, and if the terror war lasts only half as long, the great-grandchildren of today's soldiers will still fight jihadists in ground combat.

America, therefore, needs a .30-caliber service rifle far more than it needs any stealth fighter.

...

Current stealth technology is about 20 years old, and it cannot be added on to. Conversely, electronic countermeasures pods and dedicated jamming aircraft can be purchased relatively cheaply. The tradeoff is so obvious that we have to ask: is the acquisitions process really that broken?

The fighter pilot has had a great run: he was the most glamorous warrior of the 20th century, proving his worth from 1915 well into the 1980s. But he has been overtaken by events. So let's keep him flying in aircraft adequate to the mission, augmented by sensors and weapons that can kill enemy aircraft on the rare occasions that it's necessary.

Then, let's use some of the savings to buy what we need: body armor, bandages, radios—and .30-caliber rifles.

(Barrett Tillman, Flight Journal, April 2008, p. 89-90. Excerpted from the author's 2007 book "What We Need: Extravagance and Shortages in America's Military")

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Ordr Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:55 AM
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10. They need all of that.
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Ordr Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:14 AM
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5. New version.
The new fighter designed to fill that role is the F22 Raptor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-22_Raptor
It is a mind-bogglingly advanced and expensive aircraft.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:31 AM
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7. Thanks! n/t
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quadriga Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:34 AM
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8. Well worth the billions and billions of $$$ we threw down the toilet.
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 11:35 AM by quadriga
cuz it's really cool and fast
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