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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 10:48 AM Original message |
Have you guys seen the amazing self-potraits done by elephants? |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
1. I would say it is a trick. |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Nope, it's true according to Snopes. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Not "true" in the sense you mean. |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #7 |
55. On the other hand |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #7 |
57. Research into ANIMAL intelligence is showing that animals |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. But anthropomorphism never goes out of style. n/t |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Point is MODERN RESEARCH shows that animals are more intelligent |
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texastoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #60 |
71. Bingo! |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #71 |
85. Trust me I am aware... my parrots let me know when they need something |
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tuckessee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #7 |
70. Hmmmm.... |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #70 |
87. so true. some people seem determined to dismiss the 'humanity' of animals. nt |
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FredStembottom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:03 AM Response to Reply #1 |
15. I would have thought so, too..... |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. It IS wonderful. But it is NOT representational art painted intentionally. |
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FredStembottom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:11 AM Response to Reply #17 |
27. I think you are right. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #17 |
36. "Representational"?? |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. He intended to do the trick he was trained to do. |
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Maraya1969 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #17 |
54. You are just a jealous monkey |
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Cal Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #54 |
82. Ha ha ha! |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
56. As opposed to what? |
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LakeSamish706 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
3. "Why do we think these fantastic animals shouldn't share our planet?" |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Plenty of people who will kill them for their ivory. Those who would destroy their habitats for |
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LakeSamish706 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 10:58 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Ok, I understand what you meant now.... I certainly think that we need to do better... |
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maxsolomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:04 AM Response to Reply #9 |
16. stewards |
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TheDebbieDee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:07 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. LOL ! That jumped out me, too. |
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LakeSamish706 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:07 AM Response to Reply #16 |
22. OK.. Old wise one, I have been corrected... And Thank you for that. |
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maxsolomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #22 |
32. i'm a grammar nazi |
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LakeSamish706 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:20 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. I think maybe if you were able to understand my post you should leave all of them alone... |
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Terran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #22 |
46. 'anal' |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #5 |
11. the usa dept. of the interior...??? |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #11 |
18. What is your problem? We're talking about the 'types' of people who do not respect other |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:14 AM Response to Reply #18 |
30. which "illegal failure" are you referring to, specifically? |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #30 |
38. The department was to issue whether or not polar bears would be on the |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #5 |
13. Yeah it's a pity there aren't any wild elephants running around the US the way their used to be |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:13 AM Response to Reply #13 |
29. If you went back 13,000 years ago, there were elephants here. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. so if we had more progressive types in the u.s. dept. of the interior... |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:33 AM Response to Reply #31 |
37. Yes, there is a proposal by a group of US researchers to do just that. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. wanna bet they don't get their way? |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 01:44 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. Of course not, because it would be like re-introducing wolves back into the Western states and look |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 06:26 PM Response to Reply #51 |
63. wolves already roamed the north american continent... |
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Winterblues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #13 |
43. I want to be a grammer Nazi also.... did you mean there instead of their? |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #43 |
53. Actually I meant "Pomegranate" - my spelling is terrible today. n/t |
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CJCRANE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #43 |
62. ..."grammER"...?!! |
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Codedonkey (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #62 |
78. Spelling Nazi Much? :P |
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CJCRANE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Not usually... |
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Codedonkey (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #81 |
86. yeah, I know... |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
4. i give up- why do you think that these fantastic animals shouldn't share our planet? |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. That's exactly what I asked. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 10:58 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. yes, but you asked why "we" think that way... |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. "We", as in human beings. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:03 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. none of the humans i know ever held that belief... |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:07 AM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Noithing is worthwhile unless stated with the greatest degree of hyperbole possible.... |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
8. those are great |
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TheDebbieDee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:11 AM Response to Reply #8 |
28. I saw a documentary several years ago |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:28 AM Response to Reply #28 |
35. amazing! |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #35 |
77. There is no more HUMAN emotion on the face of an animal |
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Mist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
19. I'm always uncomfortable w/the "animals trained to do parlour tricks" thing. nt |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
23. Administrators please delete this entire thread. Apparently, DUers cannot |
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InvisibleTouch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
24. Non-human animals have a sense of personal identity... |
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nam78_two (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
25. They are magnificent creatures and I share your sentiment sinkingfeeling |
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chixydix (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
26. Cool painting...it could be either a right or left profile! |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
33. That's nurhin. You should see the engine they rebuilt for me. |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
40. the cynicism in this thread is so heartening |
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Codedonkey (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #40 |
75. But you can see the zipper on the elephant.,.... :P |
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QueenOfCalifornia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
41. WOW! |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 01:25 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. no |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
42. This OP was a wondrous bright spot |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
45. As with our presumption of innocence, for a human in court accused of a |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Thank you. |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 07:35 PM Response to Reply #45 |
65. Exactly, very well said. |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 11:10 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Think again about the presumption of innocence that we grant to all humans |
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texastoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #45 |
80. "We just don't understand that language." |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
47. Elephants can recognize themselves in a mirror. |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
50. looks like an arm inside a trunk there to me. Why don't they show the whole elephant? |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Go view the entire 8 minute video showing the elephant painting a different picture than the one |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
58. Animals do understand more than we give them credit for |
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aint_no_life_nowhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
61. George Bush does a self-portrait on the bottom of the toilet bowl every morning |
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texastoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #61 |
93. ... |
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eppur_se_muova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
64. How do we know it's a SELF-portrait, and not, say, sex fantasy art? |
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slowry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
67. I don't think it's cynical to point out that they're meticulously trained, by apes, to do this. |
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InvisibleTouch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. How do you know it's not conscious? Can you read their minds? |
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slowry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 11:55 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. I know because I looked into it. You can too. Google is an amazing thing, if used correctly. |
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tuckessee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. You as well are meticulously trained by parents, peers, & pros, to do what you do. |
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slowry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #72 |
79. There's a difference between training and education. I'll answer the question, posed more accurately |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. It's still amazing. Can you teach one of your pets to do the same? The fact the elephant can be |
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slowry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #83 |
89. They don't have the dexterity. Dogs, cats, and horses, can be trained to do neat things, too. |
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Codedonkey (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
73. I can paint better.... :P |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
74. Not That I Think They Should Be Wiped Out, But All This Is Is Training Of Repetition. |
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maxpower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
76. Wow |
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whistler162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
84. Its okay but.... |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
88. Odd that there aren't any elephant tortured souls in this place who paint... |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
90. OK. HERE IS THE MASSIVE IRONY IN THIS OP (Cause I'm sick of it) |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Sorry, I totally disagree. I truly believe that all species are connected and do share |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
92. I absolutely love this! I love elephants, and believe we're all connected too. nt |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
94. I think it's neat. |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
95. well, animals can't be smart cause then what would we eat!!1! |
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