Americans want the troops out of Iraq but they don't want to lose in Iraq? Cake and eat it too?

[NNN0LHI]

That is the Dems problem. The polls do show that a majority want our troops out of Iraq. But those same polls show that a majority expect some sort of a "win" out of the deal.

How do the Dems accomplish that?

Don

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. I'd love to win in Iraq.

I'd love to win the lottery too, but I ain't gonna buy a ticket.

[mykpart]

2. Not a problem. All we do is

put up a big banner saying "Mission Accomplished" and "U.S. Victorious" and bring the troops home. Tell them all we won. Maybe Bush would even dress up like a real soldier again.

[Horse with no Name]

3. The best plan

and I couldn't tell you whose it is...is to pull our troops to the borders and out of the cities. I'm not familiar with the rest of the plan, but that should be our first step. We have no business kicking in doors of legitimate citizens of that country.
The rest should be humanitarian.
We are past the point where we can have a victory in Iraq.
Best we can hope for is a better outcome in Afghanistan.

[TwilightGardener]

4. Wasn't that

The Warner plan, to move troops out of Baghdad but redeploy them to borders, keep up training of Iraqis, etc? Sounded reasonable enough. Now all we need to do is put that into a victory context!

[Horse with no Name]

5. I don't believe so

I am thinking it might be Biden's.

[TwilightGardener]

8. You're right, it was Biden-Hagel-Snowe,

but then it was absorbed into Warner-Levin, I think--also called for no cutoff of funds.

[Jack Rabbit]

6. Sounds like the bargaining stage of grief

D'ya think?

[PerfectSage]

12. That's what I was thinking

Admitting defeat is like facing death.

Shock Denial Anger Bargaining, Depression Acceptance.

I'm in the depression stage. I'm know it's lost.

At this point, it's just killing in the name of 'Bush's credibility'.

[EFerrari]

7. Why is it the Dems ' problem? The Rethugs lost this misbegotten "war"

Why can't the Dems be the adults who fix it by bringing our troops home?

/oops

[Selatius]

9. At this point, winning is probably defined as stopping Sunnis and Shia from killing each other

I don't see the US being able to resolve a conflict that's been going on for centuries. I could be wrong, but I just don't see this as something the US is capable of accomplishing.

[NNN0LHI]

11. Americans I know define winning as we get to steal the Iraqis oil with impunity while they eat dirt

They have no qualms about them killing one another.

Don

[PerfectSage]

13. China will buy Iraq's oil...

...US oil companies will eat dirt.

[Hippo_Tron]

18. As I said below, I think we should just start negotiating with Al-Sadr now

Maybe an added benefit will be that he will sell his oil to us. Frankly I don't think we have much of a chance with the Sunni militants considering that they're probably pissed at us for overthrowing Saddam in the first place.

[rodeodance]

10. Declare victory and leave

[City Lights]

21. We know that's exactly what Dubya the Mis-conquerer will do.

We might as well beat him to it.

As John Lennon said, "Declare peace."

[12string]

14. smple logic

It is a given that the present course in Iraq has has proven a
losing proposition,then examine what history shows us about
occupying another country,and that analysis shows another
losing proposition,looking at the situation as it stands right
now,today,the only way to win is to eliminate the catalyst of
this atrocious scourge on the world.We must leave to initiate
the only possible victory available.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

15. The Dems need to speak the unspeakable. We lost! Time to go.

And, turn it over to the Iraqis and their neighbors to sort it out.

[B Calm]

16. I think majority of Americans want impeachment of both Bush and Cheney.

You got Mitch McConnell R KY (Hit with the biggest UGLY STICK around)daring the dems to cut funding, all the time forgetting that there are two ways to end this war. The second choice is IMPEACHMENT.

[Hippo_Tron]

17. IMO I think we should start negotiating with Muqtada Al-Sadr

The second we leave he will try to topple the Malaki government and probably succeed. So I think that we should just plan for a transfer of power over to him and tell him that we'll leave his regime in power as long as he doesn't commit any human rights violations. We can tell him that if he doesn't comply with reasonable human rights standards that we'll arm the Sunni militias and support them with air strikes. Other than human rights issues, he can take Iraq back to the 13th century if that's what he wants. Yes I feel very bad for the women that will suffer under Shia rule that didn't previously under Saddam but I don't see how we could possibly keep a secular government in power in Iraq.

[radfringe]

19. according to Bush

the British withdrawal from southern Iraq indicates a victory

Laura Bush says Iraq is stable

Dick Cheney says we've made remarkable progress

Sounds like we've acheived victory to me. All we need is for George to land on an aircraft carrier and declare Victory in Iraq....so what's the hold up?

[Frank Cannon]

20. Do what we did in Vietnam: Claim 'peace' and get the fuck out.

The criteria for "winning" have never been established in this bullshit war anyway. Hell, Saddam's dead, some sort of puppet government has been installed in his place, and billions have been looted from the U.S. treasury. Let's just say "Mission Accomplished" again and go home.