I have a feeling that gun lovers would vote for McCain

[mudesi]

If Obama took the morally correct position that the 2nd amendment is outdated and ought to be repealed, the gun lovers would disregard everything and vote for McCain because of their utter selfishness.

-Millions dead in an unjust war.
-Billions stolen by contractors and oil companies.
-The end of social security.
-The never beginning of any kind of health care system whatsoever.
-At least two more neo con justices on the supreme court.
-An economic disaster.
-Global warming threatening the entire human race.

All of it ignored if you take away their precious, precious guns!

Prove me wrong, gun lovers. Tell me you would still vote for Obama even if he said, with no ambiguity whatsoever, that he would support a repeal of amendment number 2. Tell me that there are more important things at stake here than your guns.

Because repealing the 2nd amendment is what needs to happen. You know that, right? You know, deep down in your hearts, that it has been exploited and abused by special interests (the NRA, a neo conservative organization, for example) and that it has caused more damage, more human pain and suffering, and more death than can possibly be quantified, right?

And even though you know that an actual attempt to repeal the 2nd amendment -despite it being the morally right thing to do- would never happen in this idiotic cowboy society that is the United States of America today, tell me you'd still support Mr. Obama as the next president of the United States. Tell me you are not that selfish.

Because the way corporate fascists have been able to take control of the country by screaming "GAY!" or "GUN!" every election cycle has been nothing short of disgusting. They've only been successful because you've allowed it.

Shame.

[flvegan]

1. Uh oh

:popcorn:

[Name removed]

2. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[rwheeler31]

3. Arms dealers always vote republican.

[Mojorabbit]

5. Actually that is not true

the gun shop I patronize is owned by a liberal Dem.

[Ian David]

4. If they vote for McCain, they'll have to sell their guns to buy gasoline. n/t

[virginia mountainman]

6. When it comes to repealing the 2nd..

You can wish in one hand and crap in the other...and see which gets filled first...

Most Democrats would fight you tooth and nail...Including this one..

And if it where repealed, how do you intend to make people comply with it? I certainly would NOT.

[angrycarpenter]

7. There are a lot of single-issue voters out there

and it is no accident that most are republicans. But I also think realistically that guns make the government afraid of it's citizens. What would a criminal government like Bushco do against an unarmed citizenry? If they were the only ones with guns, do you think that we would even have an election this year? It would look like Zimbabwe here.

Create a fair society where there is no chance that criminals could steal our government and then work on the gun problem. With all of the fear and uncertainty out there, gun control is a dead issue for a long time to come.

I am not saying that I am against gun control, just that it will gain very little traction anywhere right now.

[michreject]

8. I will not vote for McCain

no matter what. I'm a multi gun owner.

[havocmom]

9. Sorry, but there are too many critical issues at stake in this one to blow it on gun control

Big news: LOTS of DEMs own guns. The issue divides the party and loses elections. Too much at stake right now to be prissy on one issue.

Recent political events prove to most people that the founders showed foresight and great wisdom. They knew there would be times when really bad people would come to power. They knew people would need to have the means of defense.

Get over it. It is a noisy wedge issue and one that keeps us out of power too often. We can't fix what is broken out of power.

[Redneck Socialist]

10. If Obama was foolish enough to do as you suggest...

you could kiss everything on you wish list goodbye, because he would lose the election.

Does your gun phobia mean that much to you?

If you care that:

-Millions dead in an unjust war.
-Billions stolen by contractors and oil companies.
-The end of social security.
-The never beginning of any kind of health care system whatsoever.
-At least two more neo con justices on the supreme court.
-An economic disaster.
-Global warming threatening the entire human race.

Then you best hope that Obama runs far and fast from gun issue. He's been on the wrong side of it and the sooner he puts it behind him the better.

Also, depriving people of the means to defend themselves strikes me as a rather illiberal position to take.

[New Dawn]

11. Lots of people on the left support gun rights (for various reasons)

This, I might add, also includes the far left.

[TheFriendlyAnarchist]

12. Why you hatin'?

[provis99]

13. the 2nd Amendment was rendered moot long ago

when the US instituted the US Army. That fact essentially rendered the "well-regulated militia" as a substitute for the army irrelevant.

If you want to argue guns ought to be legal and widely available, go for it. But arguing it grows out of the 2nd Amendment is a losing proposition.

[Dimensio0]

20. The United States Supreme Court disagrees with your assessment.

The USSC ruled that the Second Amendment protects a right to keep and bear arms that is unconnected with an individual's membership in a militia. Your assertion runs contrary to recently established judicial precedent.

[Selatius]

14. If you repeal the 2nd Amendment, you pretty much abandon the other 9 Amendments to the Republicans.

Because they will be the ones who will hold power in Congress, the White House, and eventually the Supreme Court.

[spoony]

15. The president has no such power.

I fully imagine that you have posted yet another "I demand that people who disagree with me justify their existences" thread without, again, thinking it through. Obama could say whatever he wants about the 2nd Amendment and every gun owner can safely vote for him, presuming they know what you don't seem to: that it doesn't matter. Even in your altered reality where Obama wants to blow this historic election, he would have no power to either initiate nor advance such a repeal, as that would require a new amendment to the Constitution.

"Deep down, you know that" threads "testing" groups of people not only make you look silly, but hint at some extraordinarily exploded sense of importance and prestige, which you in no way embody, right?

[krispos42]

16. So, let me get this straight...

Many Democrats are willing to have:

1. Millions dead in an unjust war.
   
2. Billions stolen by contractors and oil companies.
   
3. The end of social security.
   
4. The never beginning of any kind of health care system whatsoever.
   
5. At least two more neo con justices on the supreme court.
   
6. An economic disaster.
   
7. Global warming threatening the entire human race.
   

Because they can't or won't shut up about how outdated and redneck-y guns and the Second Amendment are?

Because they honestly think that removing guns will somehow remove crime, despite all evidence to the contrary?

Because their continuing efforts to stringently control guns creates the wedge issue?

Because they don't buy the BushCo bullshit line "Americans will die unless we can take away your constitutional rights", but buy the Brady bullshit line "Americans will die unless we can regulate your guns into impotence?"

When the NRA is trying to use the power of the legislature to force peoople to buy and own guns, let me know.

[comtec]

17. Whatever my feelings on the subject, NOTHING in the bill of RIGHTS should be repealed

3/5th was in a different part of the constitution iirc.
I'm not at all thrilled with the gun masturbation yesterday, but at the same time, if they had agreed with the DC ban it could have meant actual confiscation of legal weapons from people, and gun collectors!

I am in favor of reasonable ownership of guns. Responsible hurdles to jump over and through. Reasonable fees to be allowed to own a certain kind of weapon (such as a full automatic) I am NOT in favor a taking away the right to bear arms!

Our rights are just that.. O U R S!!!!!
And it's MY right not to be happy, but it's NOT my right to TAKE AWAY your rights if you have done nothing wrong!

The other thing is, if you make it possible to repeal ONE right that is fundamental to our country, then you make it possible to take away the REST!

DON'T SAY IT CAN"T HAPPEN LOOK AT THIS ADMINISTRATION!

so while I was certainly NOT one fo the gun humpers out in force (no pun intended) yesterday, and I would have preferred a no-comment, I am glad that UNreasonable gun laws have been struck down.

[Jack_DeLeon]

18. I dont vote for candiates who outright say they want to take my rights away...

cause when they promise to give me something I will take those promises with a grain of salt, but when they say they want to take something away from me I tend to believe them.

[Paladin]

19. There Is A Poll Down In Our DU Gun Dungeon Right Now.....

...where 46% of the respondents indicate that they are willing to vote Republican on the basis of gun policy. Another 3% state that they will stay at home on election day---just to spite Democrats.

Just something to keep in mind, when our resident gun militants come around, claiming to be loyal Democrats....

[dysfunctional press]

21. COMPLETELY disagree. i 'm glad that the supremes finally clarified the issue-

and deep down i feel that the 2nd amendment is a good thing, and people who want to possess firearms in a reasonable manner should be allowed to do so.

[LibDemAlways]

22. "Idiotic cowboy society" is right, and there is an

appalling amount of it right here on DU.