PELOSI TRYING TO BLOCK ROVE CONTEMPT CHARGE

[Echo In Light]

PELOSI TRYING TO BLOCK ROVE CONTEMPT CHARGE
From Pam Miles:

I have firm confirmation that Nancy Pelosi is urging the Judiciary committee NOT to go forward with contempt against Rove. Congressman John Conyers and the Judiciary staff are battling for it but this has become an infight among dems. Time to burn up the phone lines.
800-828-0498, 800-459-1887 or 800-614-2803 toll free to congressional switchboard

http://markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com/2008/07/pelosi-trying-to-block-rove-contempt.html

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/34610

[hobbit709]

1. I find Pelosi in contempt of the Constitution

[flor de jasmim]

2. I agree. It's positively despicable.

[Voltaire99]

39. Obama now opposes impeachment, too...

Do you hold him in similar contempt?

I certainly do.

[ancient_nomad]

3. Pelosi = "Devil in a Blue Dress"

She may as well change Parties. I am totally fed up with her.

[Kolesar]

48. No, it's "Red Dress". Please use the correct freeper terminology

[fasttense]

4. Why? Why is Pelosi Kowtowing to the republicans?

Why is she acting like a republican? Doesn't she remember how they smeared her before the 2006 elections? They called her the most dangerous woman in America and here she is fighting to protect these same thieves and criminals. What is wrong with her? What little tidbit did the bushes dig up on her while spying on Americans?

[Echo In Light]

5. The "blackmail" meme is akin to the "coincidence," and "incompetence" memes

Logically it simply doesn't follow, and is far more implausible {given the consistencies} than the obvious conclusion: collusion i.e. protecting positions of power and hollowed institutions. For the US govt, such considerations always come before serving the common good, and We The People.

[fla nocount]

6. That and the mindset of her and her ilk

that sees not just us but the world population as a crop, a cow to be milked, a sheep to be fleeced. Our bleating never reaches their ears. It's time to roar.

[Echo In Light]

8. Let's say a friend/relative of yours is charged with involvement in a crime w/others

It's human nature to seek to trivialize your friend/relative's involvement by any degree you can, even if they're guilty. In my estimation, this is the psychologic impetus fueling the 'coincidence/blackmail' belief.

[Individualist]

43. Excellent explanation.

[tibbiit]

10. why even ask why?

Of course they have dirt on her and she has to cave.
tib

[Dissent Is Patriotic]

45. Can you say collusion?????

I don't know why everyone is still asking why. It's very simple...some of the Dems have been complicit from the beginning...period.

[Zorra]

65. She's filthy stinking rich. Maybe she's protecting the interests of her class.

Because it sure seems like it a lot of the time.

[Buzz Clik]

7. Indefensible.

I've defended Pelosi on occasion, and I've stood in silent wonder at other times wondering what insight she has that I've missed.

This is not to be tolerated.

[Leopolds Ghost]

28. We need a Constitutional Amendment transferring impeachment, SP & contempt powers to the People.

In order to stop the People from moving ahead on such a thing
by referendum, Congress is required to vote to establish that
no crime was committed.

[Buzz Clik]

47. Perhaps. It would be nice if we simply started voting smarter when it comes to our elected reps.

[ladjf]

9. The Dems need to get another speaker.

[Leopolds Ghost]

30. Shes a rich socialite who inherited her post from an SF billionaire fundraiser and a machine pol dad

That is the type of leadership Obama & Rahm Emanuel want. Billionaire
Harvard liberals with their billions socked away in tax free funds,
capable of living their entire lives independent of domestic authority.
They are raised to rule over us.

[samsingh]

40. how can we start a grass roots movement to change the speaker?

she's disgusting and disappointing.

pelosi - go away and let real Democrats save this country.

[Name removed]

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[samsingh]

60. thanks.

[senseandsensibility]

94. She has an opponent running against her in the next election

Her name is Shirley Gollub (sp?), and she advertises on Thom Hartmann's show occasionally. She is anti-war and pro-impeachment. I hope she is getting some traction.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

11. What information? Where from?

There's no actual information in that blog posting.

[struggle4progress]

91. DING! DING! DING!

[bdamomma]

12. exactly, that is what I heard yesterday.

something is definitely going on, Conyers must be called out on this, Rove is a criminal.

Illegal wiretapping ring a bell, this has been going since before 9/11 and could it be possible that cheney and his goons has the Democratic Party wiretapped.

[Leopolds Ghost]

31. It doesn't matter if Rove is a criminal or not, he's in contempt of Congress. This is what Nixon did

It was considered a "constitutional crisis".

Someone needs to ask Obama if he would have voted to impeach Nixon.

[Enrique]

13. I think this is made up

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

14. Do we even know who "Pam Miles" is?

I've never heard the name before.

[Enrique]

18. it's a nice name

sounds credible. :shrug:

[Echo In Light]

25. I'm unsure. A Google check turned this up re Don Siegelman

"Siegelman’s release is a testament to the power of alternative media. Without the work of blogger/journalists like Scott Horton of Harper’s, Glynn Wilson of Locust Fork News, and Larisa Alexandrovna of at-Largely/Raw Story/Huffington Post/Hustler, Siegelman would have little hope of being released any time soon. Without the work of Pam Miles and her e-mail listees, Siegelman would have remained in prison for the foreseeable future. It’s impossible to overstate the impact of CBS and its 60 Minutes story on the Siegelman case. But that “old media” story would not have happened without the work of folks working in the “new media.”"

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/03/29/dan-abrams-siegelman-leaves-prison-points-to-rove/

[Echo In Light]

26. Does no one have anything else on Pam Miles besides this?

[struggle4progress]

68. I think she lives in Alabama: perhaps not the best location for an inside scoop on Pelosi

Pelosi Opposing Contempt &c&c
Submitted by davidswanson on Mon, 2008-07-07 21:19.
By Pam Miles &c&c
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/34610

PELOSI TRYING TO BLOCK &c&c
From Pam Miles &c&c
http://markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com/2008/07/pelosi-trying-to-block-rove-contempt.html

A must-read piece &c&c
Siegelman Case &c&c
.. word comes from Pam Miles, a member of the Alabama Democratic
Party executive committee ...
http://markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com/2007/12/must-read-piece-on-siegelmans-ordeal.html

A political prisoner in the South
The following is from Pam Miles' blog ...
Wednesday, December 12, 2007
Siegelman, South's Political Prisoner &c&c
http://markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com/2007/12/political-prisoner-in-south.html

[Echo In Light]

80. Thanks!

[Senator]

77. You want "art" ?

She has appeared on TV to speak for Alabama Dems. Has been a candidate for state office there. She attended the 2004 Convention, presumedly a delegate. She's even been snubbed by the Obama campaign. Her website includes a public email address.

Why the suspicion? Is this somehow "out of (bad) character" for Madame Squeaker?

--

[struggle4progress]

86. None of that suggests Miles has a reliable scoop on Pelosi

[NashVegas]

99. And No One's Scorn Disproves It, Either

"Impeachment is off the table."

[struggle4progress]

101. I expressed no scorn for Pam Miles but note nothing supports her claim

[lonestarnot]

15. Your last two numbers are not correct, and I haven't tried the first.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

16. Jonathan Turley has been asserting that Pelosi and others in the Dem leadership

were complicit in Bush crimes. They knew everything and didn't do anything about it. They are being blackmailed. That's why Bush continues to get away with everything. The Democratic leadership knows everything and is complicit.

[Kolesar]

49. That's that bullshit republican message that the Dems were "plenty informed" and agreed

did I mention that it's bullshit?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

54. I don't think so. He said that the Dem leadership, including Jay Rockefeller

were briefed about all these offenses. They knew about the torture memo. They knew about the telecoms. They knew about all the Bush crimes. Their behavior would suggest that Turley is making a logical case.

[Blarch]

64. If they spoke up about the issues...

Bush could have jailed them. This was top secret shit.

[Overseas]

88. This seems the most logical reason to explain their reluctance. //nt

[no limit]

17. I think you need to get some evidance before reposting this shit

and how did this end up on the greatest page? I guess anyone can pull shit out of their ass and at least 5 DUers will buy it with a smile on their face.

[lonestarnot]

19. Why, when you call all you get is some stupid fucking comment line that will just be

ignored. Get your panties in a wad. Hmmmf.

[formercia]

20. Nancy Pelosi is part of the problem

She has been running interference for the Administration from day one. Nancy needs to register as the agent of a foreign power.

[no limit]

22. I'm not arguing that she isn't part of the problem, I am arguing that some random person

on the internet made a claim and DUers are actually buying it. Do you not think something like this should be confirmed before everyone gets all pissy?

[EFerrari]

55. David Swanson has a helluva lot more creditiblity than Pelosi has

and that's not to mention this is entirely in keeping with her "make no waves" strategy going into November.

[struggle4progress]

83. Swanson is bright and energetic but not always the best analyst or strategist:

he wasted a fair amount of Conyers' staff time disrupting their office about a year ago

[EFerrari]

85. If David slowed down the constant cave ins to the Bush agenda

then he deserves our thanks.

The argument that if Conyers impeaches, he can't do anything else sort of falls apart when you realize what this Congress has been "accomplishing" all this time.

[struggle4progress]

90. And if David slowed down Conyers' investigations, he correspondingly deserves some criticism

[EFerrari]

95. Investigations? The result of those "investigations"

has been many hours of CSPAN Theater.

[struggle4progress]

96. I thinks if youse and me gonna have a drunken brawl, we needs beer

:D

[EFerrari]

100. I know. The liquor store just opened, too!

I'm only mad at Conyers the way you get at your family. In fact, the last time David and Cindy and Ray and Mr. Conyers fell out, I wrote them all a "please let's make up letter" that is still floating around the tubes somewhere.

lol

[Kolesar]

50. ...She must be removed as speaker!

--signed,
Your Republican leadership

[Echo In Light]

23. Actually I inadvertently re-posted what Kpete did. 39 recs there

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3577152&mesg_id=3577152

[no limit]

24. And I love what kpete does here but by no means does it mean it should always be accepeted

as fact. We have one person making a claim. Before people start to riot this should be verified, it's that simple.

[Leopolds Ghost]

34. Pam Miles is involved in the case, see upthread. Y'know, the criminal case this is about.

The one Obama says doesn't exist.

[struggle4progress]

93. So how does Pam in AL know the intentions of Nancy in DC? ESP?

[Leopolds Ghost]

33. Thanks for your concern n/t

:shrug:

[no limit]

36. classy

yes, im a troll that has been here for over 3 years just trolling away.

You know, not everyone will agree with what you think is right. Calling (or implying) they are trolls every time this happens only makes you look foolish.

[still_one]

21. There are only two possible explanations. Either there is something that will incriminate them

or they believe that bringing up contempt charges will somehow hurt the Democrats in November

Either way, what this points out is that we need NEW leadership

For the last eight years the leadership in Congress has done everything to avoid confrontation with the administration

[jmowreader]

37. No, there are three possible explanations

1. There's something that will incriminate the Congressional Democrats

2. They believe bringing up contempt charges will somehow hurt the Democrats

or

3. They are afraid of what King George the 43rd will do if he's cornered. They remember that when the anthrax attacks happened, the only people who got hit had crossed Bush--Daschle, Leahy and the National Enquirer.

I'm going with number three. Fear of dying WILL change your attitude toward things like unprecedented levels of criminality.

[onenote]

41. Fourth possible explanation:

The story isn't true.

[jmowreader]

59. Except in this case, it is

They're seeking to charge Rove with contempt for disobeying a summons to testify before Congress. Whatever the case may be as to why he's not testifying, the facts of the case are not in dispute here: Congress sent Rove a summons to testify before the Judiciary Committee, Rove refused to do so, Rove is therefore in contempt of Congress.

Now understand: Bush and all his minions might be as pure as the newfallen snow. (That's a severe stretch, but I've been accused of worse.) Rove, the guy whose fingers are in the most dikes here, would be in a perfect position to clear the whole administration by merely answering the summons and proving his group's collective innocence.

He's NOT answering the summons because he knows how crooked they all are. If he does go in there, one of three things is going to happen: he is going to take complete credit for all the malfeasance in this administration (which will cause him to go to jail), he is going to lie his ass off in an attempt to save their collective skins (which will cause him to go to jail) or he's going to tell the truth about how many crimes they committed (which will cause not only Rove, but everyone he knows, to go to jail). Jail isn't to his liking. The only way he can NOT go to jail is to not answer the summons.

[HamdenRice]

74. a fourth thing can happen -- he can take the Fourth

and refuse to answer on the grounds that he would incriminate himself. Congressional investigators find this useful because it indicates that a crime may have been committed.

Then, they can enter into an immunity deal (bad idea) in order to get to the truth or turn the matter over to Justice (pointless until there is a Democratic administration).

[ProfessorGAC]

97. Probably The Fifth Would Work Better

The Professor

[jmowreader]

98. You want to get a fifth anywhere near Bush? Brave man!

[ProfessorGAC]

103. LOL!

I hadn't even considered that. But, that's was clever.
GAC

[onenote]

75. I know that they're seeking to charge Rove. But the story of Pelosi's obstruction

is "confirmed" only by an anonymous source. So maybe its true, and maybe its not.

[NashVegas]

105. "Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death"

Ain't this congress's battle cry.

[Javaman]

27. she must have a pretty big closet. nt

[The Stranger]

29. Pelosi is a traitor to the Democratic Party and a traitor to her country.

[MonkeyFunk]

72. By that logic, so is Obama.

He doesn't support impeachment, either.

[Name removed]

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[MonkeyFunk]

84. Don't act stupid.

You know as well as I do the vitriol directed against Pelosi didn't start with this Rove matter, and it's not the cause of it.

That said, there's no reason to even believe the OP. It's just uncorroborated gossip from a largely unknown blogger.

The hate for Pelosi expressed here is because of her stand on impeachment.

Oh, and personal attacks are against the rules.

[Freddie Stubbs]

32. Does John Conyers have what it takes to convice his own committee?

Or is he just a figurehead?

[Leopolds Ghost]

35. If Conyers and Pelosi role were reversed, what do you think would happen?

Pelosi would assert her independence and denounce Conyers as an angry
black man trying to push her around, and Americans would tut-tut.

[Voltaire99]

38. Leadership is off the table!

Way to stick by your friends, Nancy.

[Ilsa]

42. Thanks for the phone numbers. I called her office and

told the aid, and he put me through to the Speaker's comments line. I'll call Rep. Ron Paul's office next.

[Lex]

44. Did you confirm that she is trying to block the contempt charge?

nt

[Ilsa]

51. No, her Aide transferred me over immediately to the comment line. nt

[L. Coyote]

46. Smart move perhaps?? What is Rove's big crime?

Go after Rove's big crimes, and don't make him the centerpiece of the Siegelman case if he is a peripheral player in the actions of that corruption!

If they make Rove the center of Siegelman's case, they are just playing into his manipulations. This is what Rove wants them to do!!!

[Pastiche423]

57. Why does rove want them to do that?

[WhiteTara]

52. she certainly insulates herself

from the "rabble"

I am truly coming to hate her. I wish her GONE

[libodem]

53. What is WRONG with her?

She must have drunk the same Kool-aid as Lieberman. Something is seriously amiss here. Do you think blackmail or bribery? What is she, a DLC Democrat or what? I hate it when people supposedly on 'our side' act like traitors. We have enough crime-ridden Republikans without her behaving like one. Nancy, Nancy, please come back.

[Duppers]

58. I'm on my 4th call now.

KKKarl must not be allowed to get away with this again!

I don't know if Pelosi is being black-mailed or what, but fuck her.

[Kolesar]

61. At least you are doing something about it

yay!

[Marie26]

62. Who is "Pam Miles"

& why should I believe her?

[Echo In Light]

63. See posts #25, 26

[Senator]

78. ...and the reply post #77

[struggle4progress]

89. She's apparently a party activist in Alabama, far from both DC and Pelosi's CA district:

one should not expect her to know Pelosi's intentions

[KoKo]

66. Your first call number had a DLC Rep call me to convince me that Pelosi said we need to get Dems In

Congress before we can "do anything." Disgusting person asking for more donations.

Your second number has "We're Sorry this number is no longer in service."

What the hell are you doing posting these two numbers...that aren't real but just a shill service for DLC!

[redqueen]

102. Very interesting.

Thanks for posting that.

[Joanne98]

67. I'm beginning to hate her!

[FourScore]

69. Her days are numbered. n/t

[kaygore]

70. What they have on Nancy must be a real doozy!

[cayuga]

71. What the hell did all you 'appalled' people think she would do?

She is the cretin that called George Bush 'a lovely man' years ago. We are all sitting around waiting for 'someone' to do 'something'.

They have played all of us suckers like a violin. I have to give them credit for knowing us so well.

[MonkeyFunk]

73. Why do you believe this?

[TexasObserver]

76. Why is Nancy Pelosi George Bush's lap dog?

That's the question that needs to be answered.

Worst Democratic Speaker of the House EVER.

[spanone]

81. who is pam miles and how did she get 'firm confirmation' ????

[Echo In Light]

82. Read post #77, 25

[Occam Bandage]

87. ACCORDING TO SOMEONE NAMED "PAM MILES" NOBODY HAS EVER HEARD OF

[helderheid]

92. Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours

[earth mom]

104. Pelosi is a TOOL.

:puke:

[Vidar]

106. So perhaps the first step is to impeach Pelosi.