It had to happen sooner or later --- Accidental shooting at DisneyWorld.

[lpbk2713]

Link: http://www.theledger.com/article/20080714/NEWS/810165979/1410&title=Haines_City_Man_Accidentally_Shoots_Himself_At_Disney_World


This guy was clearing his Glock prior to taking his son to a movie at DownTown Disney.

Don't we all take large bore handguns to kiddie movies? :sarcasm:

If he had to shoot someone, I'm glad he was his own victim.



For the record DownTown Disney is not in the Magic Kingdom Complex
but in another adjacent shopping and entertainment area.

[MannyGoldstein]

1. Proves That The Gun Grabbers Are Wrong

Take that guys gun and Darwin goes all to hell.

[marmar]

2. Why do you need a glock to go to a movie theater?

I just don't get it.

[michreject]

3. For the parking lot

after the movie lets out.

[marmar]

4. In Downtown Disney? I've been there....

The worst thing that's likely to happen is a drunk sports fan puking on your shoes.

[michreject]

19. So........What's your point?

Nothing will never happen there?

[marmar]

20. That's not my point.....I just don't understand why some people always need to be armed.

But that's just me.

[michreject]

30. That most certainly is your point

or you wouldn't have said this.

The worst thing that's likely to happen is a drunk sports fan puking on your shoes.

[madeline_con]

55. Maybe they've been victimized in the past.

Some people have a "once bitten, twice shy" attitude.

[spin]

104. Not all people with CCW permits carry all the time..

In reality probably very few do.

Most people who obtain a concealed carry permit plan on carrying a weapon like a .45 auto or a Glock in a holster inside the waist band or on a belt or shoulder holster. After a short period of time they tend to leave it at home because it's heavy, hard to conceal and just a pain in the ass.

Most people who carry frequently chose a small weapon, commonly known as a mouse gun, that they merely drop into their pocket. It's quick, light and better than nothing. I personally carry a snub nosed .38 revolver, a S&W Model 642, in a pocket holster. To be honest, I don't always carry but I often do.

Most of the people with carry licenses avoid situations that might result in their having to use their weapon. Also they don't, without reason, walk down streets in bad neighborhoods or visit outside ATM machines after dark. They don't look for trouble because they realize that if they do it will find them.

That's probably the main reason that you don't read of more people with concealed carry permits using weapons to avert criminal attack. When they are in what might be a dangerous area, they often practice something called "situational awareness" and are alert to potential problems. In itself, merely being aware of your surroundings may be enough to avoid a bad situation. If you walk around with your head up your ass you become a target. If you walk with confidence, your head head high and make eye contact you may discourage an attack. Survival class 101. Predators attack the weak and the foolish.

But you asked why some people always need to be armed. So, while I don't always bother to carry in areas in this small relatively safe town I live in, I will attempt to give you an explanation.

If I was able to wake up in the morning and log on to my computer and read a reminder that said, "Today you need to carry your weapon. You'll need it.". I would rarely feel the need to "pack heat". Unfortunately life doesn't work that way. Life comes at you fast. I obtained a concealed carry permit to defend myself and those I love and am responsible for. If a criminal attack were to occur and I had left my weapon behind I would consider myself a fool.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

109. Becasue they are paranoid. Being armed in a dangerous area maybe not so paranoid.

[KittyWampus]

31. a drunk puking on MY shoes= assault & definitely warrants a gun shot wound, don't you think?

[Buns_of_Fire]

51. No, I think for first-degree shoe-puking, a mere pistolwhipping should suffice.

Except for this guy, though. He'd probably shoot himself again, along with six or seven innocent bystanders.

[RaleighNCDUer]

5. I really feel sad

for people who live in fear.

[michreject]

18. I don't live in fear

I'm armed and prepared to defend myself.

[RaleighNCDUer]

24. If you weren't fearful, you wouldn't believe you needed to be armed. nt

[michreject]

29. That's the most idiotic thing I've read on here

Makes no sense what so ever.

[RaleighNCDUer]

33. Think about it and answer me this:

WHY do you need to be armed?

[DangerDave921]

37. Fearful??? How idiotic.

I assume you wear a seatbelt? And make your kids wear one? Do you lock your doors at night? Do you have a smoke alarm in your house? Do you consider yourself a fearful person? If you're not fearful, why do you do such things?

Owning a gun is no different. It is a recognition that there are bad things in the world that can happen to you, and that you take reasonable precautions to prevent them.

[RaleighNCDUer]

40. IOW, fear of bad things happening.

I wear a seatbelt to keep from being ticketed. I don't always lock my door - often don't, in fact; I'm not afraid of being burglarized. Landlord provides the smoke alarm.

Assuming you need a weapon is WAY beyond a reasonable precaution. It is flat out paranoia.

[DangerDave921]

44. Not fearful

Is it paranoia for those people who ward off intruders? Or who defend themselves with a gun? The gun had some real world practical application for those folks. But in your insulated world, I guess that doesn't matter. Just because other people take more precaution in their lives than you do does not render it paranoia.

So you don't worry about anything bad happening to you? Wait till you have kids. Because that will make you worry. Car accidents, drowning, choking, fires, etc. There is a lot I do to protect my kids. I don't call it being fearful but merely a mature recognition that bad things can happen.

[ZombieHorde]

45. Wait till you have kids. Because that will make you worry.

You got that right. I believe that this is the main reason monks are not allowed to have sex.

[RaleighNCDUer]

46. That's the thing - I DON'T insulate myself from the world.

I live in it and I'm not afraid of bad things happening.

Do they happen? Sure, sometimes. But very seldom and to very few. Not enough for a reasonable person to worry about.

As a bicycle commuter I am far more likely to be killed by a cell-phone talker than by a gunman. I'm more likely to be hit by lightning than shot. I am probably more likely to win $100,000+ in the lottery than I am of being shot.

And if I AM shot it will most likely be by some paranoid wuss who thinks I am the threat. Like the RW yuppiefied fat assed pissant who pulled a gun on me after he started playing highway tag with me in his SUV, repeatedly cutting me off, slowing then speeding up, because he didn't like my bumper stickers -- when he stopped at an inconvenient stoplight I got out and confronted his reckless driving and he pulled a fucking pistol on me. Why? Because he was AFRAID. To this day he no doubt boasts that his being armed saved his ass. THAT is the truth about most of these "defend themselves" incidents - fearful little fucks who think that owning a gun is license for being an asshole.

[slackmaster]

50. Why do you need to tell other people what you think they need and don't need?

...Like the RW yuppiefied fat assed pissant who pulled a gun on me after he started playing highway tag with me in his SUV, repeatedly cutting me off, slowing then speeding up, because he didn't like my bumper stickers -- when he stopped at an inconvenient stoplight I got out and confronted his reckless driving and he pulled a fucking pistol on me. Why? Because he was AFRAID....

Getting out (of your car, I presume) was a very stupid, provocative thing to do. This isn't Saudi Arabia where that kind of behavior would be regarded as normal.

You should have simply reported his aggressive driving to the police and gotten on with your business.

You may not be afraid, but you certainly sound like an angry person. I suggest you examine your own driving behavior to see if maybe you egged his aggression on in some way other than simply having stickers on your car. The incident sounds like mutual chest-beating and poo-flinging by two adult male primates to me.

[DangerDave921]

52. Cycling

I ride a bike too. And I always wear a helmet. Have I ever needed it? Nope. But I know what can happen if I'm hit by a car and go down. So I prefer to take the more cautious option of wearing one, even knowing that the likelihood of needing it is small.

I lock my doors at night, even though I've never been the victim of a break-in. I make sure our smoke detector is in working order, even though I've never had a fire. I make sure my kids are strapped in while driving even though I've never been in an accident. I make sure my 4-year-old has his floaty vest on in the pool. Am I just a paranoid freak??? Or am I taking reasonable precautions to protect my family?

Responsible gun ownership is just a means of protecting oneself. I don't understand why it engenders such animosity.

[RaleighNCDUer]

83. And what part of carrying a loaded pistol in the waistband is

"responsible gun ownership"? If the moron was responsible HE WOULD NOT HAVE SHOT HIMSELF.

And that still does not address what started this - they guy saying "I'm not afraid because I am armed" when the truth is "I am armed because I am afraid."

[slackmaster]

86. Who said the guy who shot himself was behaving responsibly?

...the truth is "I am armed because I am afraid."

If I lived in an area where hot-heads jumped out of their cars to confront people over some perceived traffic slight, I'd probably carry a gun too.

[madeline_con]

59. So, if you were fucking around with someone in traffic, and they

accosted you at an "inconvenient red light" you wouldn't be the least bit scared?

[RaleighNCDUer]

89. 1: I wouldn't fuck with anybody while drive a 1 1/2 ton weapon

of mass destruction.

2: no. I would not be afraid in that hypothetical which is purely hypothetical because of #1.

[madeline_con]

129. OMG, that's funny. HE was scared, but for you,

something that actually happened, with the roles reversed, is not within the realm of possibility.
I smell something stinky....

[exothermic]

62. Fearful little fucks?

I leave that one for the viewing audience.
:eyes: :puke:

[exothermic]

66. You have a bunch of bumper stickers on your bicycle?

BWAHAHAHA


liar

[RaleighNCDUer]

96. Liar?

Better smile when you say that, cowboy, or I might shoot you in the ass.

Wouldn't occur to you that I might own a bike AND a car?

[madeline_con]

57. Seatbelts prevent injuries.

If you couldn't get a ticket, you'd go without? :crazy:

[tburnsten]

101. You only wear a seatbelt because of tickets?

Good lord do you care about your family at all? There are people who care about you in the world and I bet they'd be devastated if you were involved in a fatal accident without a seatbelt! Imagine the guilt anyone who has ridden with you before would feel, since they could have tried to impress the importance of seatbelts on you and didn't!

[mudesi]

110. Right.

Taking a gun to a movie theater "just in case something bad happens" is tantamount to wearing a life vest in the bath tub.

Maybe you wear a seatbelt, but do you wear a helmet? Do you always drive 30 below the speed limit? Do you only drive on sunny days, during the time of day when there are fewest cars on the road? Do you only make right turns?

You are living in fear and are also in denial.

[madeline_con]

56. Because criminals are. n/t

[michreject]

70. Because I want to

and I can.

[RaleighNCDUer]

93. Now THAT is an honest answer.

It's not dependent on fear. It's not hysterical.

It doesn't say you "need" to. It is a want. That's all.

But then, your carrying should be separated from the initial statement of "I'm not afraid" because the fear factor is immaterial.

[krispos42]

54. What things do you do every day to increase your personal safety?

Even though the events you are preparing against have, on any given day, a near-astronomical change of happening?


Do you have AAA?

A spare tire?

Wear seat belts?

Lock your doors when you're home?

Have a fire extinguisher?

Keep a condom in your wallet?

[Xenotime]

39. If you are not afraid, then what are you guilty of?

What exactly are you needing to "defend" yourself from?

[michreject]

76. Anyone who would desire to do me harm.

World is full of bad people.

[RaleighNCDUer]

85. Actually, it isn't.

You just perceive it that way.

[DangerDave921]

90. ROFL

I think there is a dividing line between real-world mature Dems and those of a more idealistic, Lennon-esque nature. I've never been one to believe in sit-ins and love-ins and trying to achieve peace through good vibes. The truth is: there are a lot of bad people in the world. It's a small minority, of course, but they are still out there. It's not a matter of perception, although I agree we may sometimes overestimate the number.

Unfortuntaely, women still get raped. Kids still get sexually abused. People get mugged. Homes get broken into. Cars get stolen. Stores get robbed. And on and on. These things happen. They are facts, not perception. And believing the world is all jello and pudding does not make it so.

[michreject]

91. I'm not delusional as some

Think I'm wrong, read a newspaper.

[a la izquierda]

42. Really?!?

I'm a 5'1" slightly built female. I have never, in my entire life, felt my life endangered no matter where I've lived or traveled. I grew up in suburban NJ (ok, not that dangerous); went to school in downtown New Brunswick, NJ (not nice when I went there); spent lots of time all over NYC; lived all over Los Angeles (and I'm not rich); lived in Guadalajara, Mexico. Never once did I think, I need a gun for protection. Never had a problem. I don't give a rat's arse about guns, but I too cannot fathom why some people feel the need to be armed.

[DangerDave921]

53. You are charmed

One of my best friends was mugged walking home from a bar one night and spent two days in the hospital. Another friend of mine was car-jacked at gunpoint in Baltimore city.

I admit crime is relatively rare. But what is so wrong with a person wanting to defend him/herself?

[krispos42]

58. Despite MSM and anti-gun hysteria to the contrary...

our country is pretty safe. Even if you take zero precautions, the odds of you dying of old age in your bed are still pretty damn good.

[michreject]

79. So because you haven't be harmed

No one else has either. Not everyone is as fortunate as you.

[a la izquierda]

115. No, I simply have zero reality on why anyone...

feels that way, because though yes, I have been fortunate, I've never even thought a gun would make me feel any safer.
I'm not a friggin' moron, I've known plenty of people who've had really nasty things happen to them. They still don't own guns. They go take self-defense classes and learn how to defend themselves with their brains and their bodies. My dad, a gun owner, always taught me, a little bit of "eyes in the back of your head and some street smarts is all you need". That and if you break into my house and you will face two pissed off dogs and two tattooed folks with baseball bats.
I don't do guns. I'm not telling you to shelve yours, I just think it's a bit nuts for everyone in the world to walk around armed because they might be threatened. Perhaps that's not how you view it, but it's my take on it.

[michreject]

117. Thank you for your point of view

Understand that we approach individual safety in different ways.

[spin]

94. And you won't feel you need to be armed until...

something bad happens to you. You may, and probably will, go through your entire life without the need of a weapon. I hope so.

However, be aware that just as many people smoke heavily all their life and never come down with cancer, many people do. Just as many people drive their entire lives without ever having an accident, many do.

Life can come at you fast.

If you don't want a gun, fine. No problem whatsoever. Good for you.

Other people have had different experiences in their journey through life. I personally have never had the need to use a firearm for self defense (thank God) although I have shot handguns for years and have a concealed carry permit. My mother and my daughter both used handguns to thwart attacks. My life experience has taught me that while I may never need a weapon it is also possible that I might.

I understand your viewpoint and respect it. With your background and history, I can understand why you have problems fathoming why some people feel guns are necessary. Just be aware that people differ in many ways. What's right for you might not be right for everybody else.

Good luck in your life, may it be a peaceful journey. I hope you merely wish me the same.

[a la izquierda]

114. I absolutely do and...

have a healthy respect for guns. My dad hunts and I grew up with them in the house. I simply see no need for them. For me. I see no need for anyone to have an AK-47 (of course that is not the issue in this thread). I don't hunt and in my home, two dogs and 9 years as a softball player (and thus, a baseball bat) do me quite fine in terms of my peace of mind.

I appreciate your thoughtful response.

[tburnsten]

103. Guy got stabbed to death in Auburn, Maine

by a couple not very long ago, didn't look like it was provoked in any way (not that murder can ever really be provoked), we had a pair of idiots break into a Pittston town selectmans home a few months back and they hacked up both him and his ten year old daughter with machetes, I think they survived, last I heard they were in critical condition, and in Augusta early this year there was an old lady who was murdered in her home for no reason at all, not even a robbery. In Lewiston, a guy killed his mother this year, that whole situation was fucked up, he AND his wife and some other guy and his mom were all passing each other around, disgusting. The point is that all of these events happened within thirty miles of Augusta, the capitol of a very quiet and peaceful state, and happened in the last six months. There is plenty of unprovoked violent crime all over the world, and the only real way to have some insurance against falling prey to it is to own and carry a firearm.

But I carry because I like to, and if I ever hit an animal while driving I'd like to be able to put it down so I don't have to watch it suffer.

[a la izquierda]

116. I'm really sorry you live your life with that outlook.

I don't. I'm moving to one of the world's most dangerous cities in less than three weeks (Mexico City). There's been lots of crazy violence there recently. I don't need a gun there (couldn't have one even if I wanted to). My insurance against falling prey to it: not being stupid, not going to bad parts of town, not getting wasted like a dumb tourist. There is no 100% guarantee. That is the way life is.


The animal thing is pretty noble though. Can't say I'd be able to do it with a gun or otherwise.

[tburnsten]

121. Lots of deer get hit up here

Most of the roads, even inside many city limits, are pretty dark at night and there are woods everywhere, deer here have a tendency to hop out in front of people. If you hit one at any significant speed than the state trooper who responds to your accident will almost certainly have to euthanize it if it hasn't died already. Not having to wait for the state trooper who could be twenty or thirty minutes away would give me some peace of mind.

But I really don't think it's my outlook on anything, people can and do cause each other harm every day in every part of the world, it is just a fact of life, and I don't see any reason why I or others around me should have to just accept being victimized.

[RaleighNCDUer]

124. A few people were murdered.

OTOH, better than 1 1/4 million people in your state were NOT murdered.

The odds of being among the 1.25 million is way higher than of being among the few victims. And, of course, being as up on crime statistics as you are, you know that 75% of all murders are committed by family or friends. The scenario of using a firearm to fend off a stranger attack is extremely rare.

You know what is scary? Cop shows, 24/7. Watch too much TV and you are sure to believe there's a thug behind every bush, around every corner. And you know what? It's all FICTION.

[Ian David]

9. They can take his gun when they pry it from his salty, buttery hands!

[undeterred]

16. Some of those cartoon characters are pretty scary.

:scared:

[tburnsten]

28. The movie theater isn't the only place he was

I know you don't get concealed carry, you just said so yourself, but the idea is that the police are almost always too far away to help you if you should be victimized by some criminal or other, and carrying your own pistol is a far better alternative than hoping and praying you aren't harmed while you wait for the police. It also allows private citizens to intervene in clear violent felonies, like the guy who kicked his infant son to death in front of a crowd of bystanders. I would have shot him in that situation, and I would not have been charged with a crime, since stomping on a baby is a horrific act of violence that would make anyone sick to see, except apparently the man who was doing it. No one in the crowd stopped or even attempted to stop the man, and as a result the child died. Had a bystander been armed, most likely the situation would have gotten under control and either the man would have been held for police or he would have been shot until he no longer presented a threat to either the child or any bystanders, and the child hopefully would not have sustained any fatal injuries.

This guy wasn't just at a movie theater, he exists independently of the theater, and has no way of predicting when he may need a firearm. His mistake was clearing his pistol, there was no reason to be doing so and he should have left it alone in his holster. Concealed carry isn't something that everyone will be rescued by, but it is incredibly useful in some incidents.

[charlie]

63. "No one in the crowd stopped or even attempted to stop the man"

Neither is true.

[tburnsten]

100. At least one is true

Maybe someone did try to stop him, but they did a shitty job of it. Either way the child is dead now because a group of onlookers were unable to prevent his father from kicking him to death.

[charlie]

106. No, neither is true

You overstated the unwillingness of unarmed people to intervene or even stick around. They stopped, they tried to stop him. Their effectiveness is a different matter and is a point that can be made without falsely impugning them for inaction.

[DS1]

38. So isn't of yelling "Don't open that door!" you can just shoot the mothafucka

[KG]

6. there's a good reason the word 'nut' so often follows the word 'gun'

[michreject]

21. I thought grabber followed the word gun

Who woulda thunk it.

[baldguy]

41. Gun nuts get a pornographic high from owning & handling their guns.

Your so-called gun "grabbers" just want to live in a safe society.

[ZombieHorde]

47. pornographic high

[hogwyld]

82. Ain't that pic worth a thousand words!!!

Some of the nutters are that bad.

[ZombieHorde]

112. Not all gun owners are nutters, but a few are.

[krispos42]

60. Well then move to any of several gun-rich states

North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont, New Hamphire, etc. Awash in guns with very low crime rates.

Unless you actually thing that gun control equal crime control. Then you should go frolic in the daisies in Chicago, Los Angeles, Baltimore, or DC.

[michreject]

74. While forcing everyone to conform

to their definition of a safe society.

No thanks. I'll use my definition and remain armed. Either accept it or not. It's not gonna change my attitude or life style.

[madeline_con]

64. I thought it was "control" far too often. n/t

[spin]

95. I personally prefer the term "gun enthusiast"...

But I'm sure you would refer to me a "gun nut". Sometimes (rarely) I think political correctness is nice.

[Ian David]

7. Maybe he was shooting at Mister Bluebird on his shoulder? n/t

[jazzjunkysue]

13. Maybe he didn't want to have a wonderful day, after all. My, my, my.

BAM!

[Ian David]

8. See also: Lawsuit Filed To Challenge Disney Gun Ban

Lawsuit Filed To Challenge Disney Gun Ban
Petition Claims Constitutional Rights Violated
POSTED: 12:18 pm EDT July 11, 2008
UPDATED: 8:33 pm EDT July 11, 2008
http://www.wesh.com/news/16854329/detail.html

[jeepnstein]

10. Moron

He should have his permit revoked. What on Earth was he doing "clearing" the weapon anyway? He was fiddling with it seated in a car and shot himself. It would not have discharged if he hadn't pulled the trigger, Glocks are funny that way.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

11. Safety rules are so difficult ...

"Point the muzzle in a safe direction"
"Keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot"
If he'd done either one, he'd be walking normal today.

Agreed: Moron.
:hi:

[Ian David]

15. Wonder if he modified the trigger sensitivity. n/t

[tburnsten]

26. Glocks are already pretty light

They already have a short stroke, and stock they aren't too heavy either. He should've left it in his holster and not been monkeying with it. Why clear it at all while you're out and about? Doesn't serve any purpose, clearing should only take place for cleaning, swapping out ammunition, passing to another, can't think of any other reasons.

[spin]

75. Very easy to modify the trigger pull on a Glock...

It takes just a few minutes. Just pull out the old trigger assembly and install the new one.

While I don't own a Glock (nor do I plan to), I understand the standard trigger pull is around 5.5 pounds. I personally am not real fond of the Glock trigger safety. Since the safety is mounted on the trigger some people have compared it to mounting the brake of a car on the accelerator.

It is possible to smooth out the Glock trigger without replacing any parts. Trigger pull will probably drop to 4.5 pounds.

You can buy a competitive trigger assembly that will drop the trigger pull to 3 pounds. A very popular modification for target shooters but perhaps a bad idea for a self defense pistol. This modification has proved a favorite with shooters who regularly shoot at the range and many carry the same weapon concealed.

Or while it's not a popular option you can install a "New York Trigger", which depending on which assembly you choose, can raise the pull to either 8 or 12 pounds.

The revolver I carry is a S&W model 642 double action only with a long trigger pull of somewhere around 9 to 10 pounds. With practice you can shoot a revolver very accurately even with a heavy double action pull. It helps if the trigger pull is very smooth.

I personally prefer revolvers for self defense. True they don't have the capacity of a semi-auto but they are simpler to load and unload and far less complicated. In an emergency, you might have to deal with a hard double action pull, but you won't have to remember to drop a thumb safety. The Glock doesn't have the thumb safety but the trigger safety is very easy to disengage if your adrenaline is pumping. That's why New York City went to the heavier "New York" trigger.

True, your friends will never be impressed with your tiny snub nosed revolver with it's five round capacity. If you must have an impressive weapon like a Glock, remember to keep you finger off the trigger and make sure the muzzle of the weapon is pointed at something you don't mind destroying. (Very important advice for any weapon but perhaps more critical with a weapon like the unforgiving Glock.) Or perhaps consider buying a semi auto pistol that is double action only, similar to a revolver.

Always remember that there are only two classes of shooters. Those who have had an accidental discharge and those that will.

[tburnsten]

25. He should have just left it alone

in a proper holster on his person, they are completely safe when they aren't being fooled with.

[momster]

12. No security gates at Downtown Disney

It is wide open, as it should be, and permits free passage among the stores, theatres, etc. There are security personnel but it isn't like the parks where you must have entrance media before passing in. They also check bags at the park and, though I don't know for sure, I'm positive they have procedures in place for anyone attempting to bring in a weapon, though it might be no more than telling them to take it back to their car. It doesn't surprise me that some loonies are trying to get Disney to allow concealed carry...'cause you never know when those oversized rodents might attack!

[spin]

97. People do get arrested for concealed weapons at Disney...

There was a little less enchantment in the Magic Kingdom Sunday morning when a 63-year-old Pennsylvania woman was taken into custody for allegedly bringing a loaded semi-automatic into the park.

Disney World security personnel reportedly discovered a silver handgun on Mary Ann Richardson as she entered the park with other family members, according to the Orange County Sheriff’s Office. The .32-caliber Beretta handgun had been loaded with seven live rounds in the magazine, but the chamber was empty, MyFoxOrlando.com reported.

*************************snip***************************
Richardson claimed she regularly traveled with the gun and forgot she had been carrying it around in her purse. Also found in Richardson’s purse was a pair of scissors and a locked blade knife, authorities said. She was charged with possession of a concealed weapon.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316267,00.html

The article doesn't state that she had a concealed carry permit. I'm not sure that that would have made a difference at Disney World, but concealed carry is very common in Florida. Pennsylvania concealed carry licenses are recognized by Florida:
FLORIDA'S RECIPROCITY STATES
Alabama (1,3,5)
Alaska (1)
Arizona (6,7)
Arkansas (1)
Colorado (1,4)
Delaware
Georgia (1)
Idaho (3,6)
Indiana (1,3,6)
Kansas (1,4)
Kentucky
Louisiana (1)
Michigan (1,4)
Mississippi (1)
Missouri (1)
Montana (3)
Nevada (1,6)
New Hampshire (1,3,4,6)
New Mexico (1)
North Carolina (1)
North Dakota (3,6)
Ohio (1)
Oklahoma (1)
Pennsylvania (1,6)
South Dakota (1,3)
Tennessee (1,6)
Texas (1,3,6)
Utah (1,6)
Vermont (2)
Virginia (1,6)
West Virginia (1,4)
Wyoming (1,3)
The locking blade knife and the scissors are irrelevant.

I have been unable to find out what Disney World Florida policy is towards licensed concealed carry by visitors in it's park. I know they oppose employees having weapons in their parking lot.

[jazzjunkysue]

14. First, Bambi's mother, now this.

[slackmaster]

17. "He removed the semiautomatic handgun from his waistband..."

There's a wonderful invention called a "holster" that makes it much more difficult to inadvertently put pressure on the trigger of a handgun.

[gatorboy]

22. So he's packing in sweats?

Priceless.

[michreject]

87. I carry a Keltec P3AT in the pocket of my sweats

while at home. Only weighs 8 oz.

It's in a pocket holster also.

[JMackT]

23. google iwb holsters

They also have Inside the Waist Band holsters. (IWB)

The problem is he was screwing with his gun with his finger on the trigger.

[dysfunctional press]

27. maybe the kid is the shooter, and his dad is terified of him...

they're on their way in, bickering about snacks...the kid pulls out dad's piece that he took from the nightstand...BLAM! "are you going to get me the large popcorn now, old man?" that kid could be an up-and-coming tony montana.

[KittyWampus]

32. I should not be laughing at this. But the truth is, your scenario could very well be.

that's thinking outside the box!

[MiniMe]

34. .The fact that it happened at DownTown Disney has nothing to do with it

I am not a gun person at all, but your headline makes it sound like it happened inside Disney World.

[kay1864]

35. It *did* happen in Disney World

Downtown Disney is part of Disney World.

And he clearly stated in the OP that it did not happen in the Magic Kingdom.

[Lorien]

48. It's on Disney property, but it's not at a theme park

Unlike most areas of Disney Downtown Disney is entirely open to the public. No gates or fences. This wouldn't have happened at Epcot, the Magic Kingdom, Animal Kingdom, Disney MGM Studios, etc. because all bags are searched at the gates within the theme parks.

[kay1864]

49. You're mostly correct...

Agree it wasn't in any of the theme parks.

However, Disney does not use metal detectors at their park entrances, so the bag search wouldn't have kept this guy from bringing a gun into a park--or anyone else for that matter, assuming their gun wasn't in a searched bag.

So your "wouldn't have happened" claim isn't really true.

[madeline_con]

65. Check your map.

[DangerDave921]

36. Would you be posting if . . .

he had been injured in an automobile accident while going to Disney World?

No because we accept 35,000 accidental deaths a year from cars as normal. But boy, if an accidental death results from gun use, then all hell breaks loose and normally rational people start calling for drastic action.

[krispos42]

61. Not even a death, a wounding n/t

[LanternWaste]

43. Just another reason...

Just another reason why I do what I can to avoid any type of proximity to civilians who own firearms-- seems like there are too many accidental discharges for my liking. My own little way of reducing the odds that I'll become the victim of an accident.

(Oh, to avoid the obvious righteous protestations: "Yes-- if firearms had wheels and I could drive one to work, I'd re-examine my position", and "No-- I don't want to grab your guns, merely avoid them"; also "No, I don't have absolute knowledge of who may or may not be packing-- but the guy getting out of his F150 with the bumper sticker reading "this red-neck is protected by Smith & Wesson" is a pretty good indication)

[madeline_con]

67. You have no idea how many concealed firearms you

pass within a few feet of every day.

[LanternWaste]

71. I do what I can.

I do what I can do keep the Vegas odds as low as I can. Everything else is out of my hands.

Having said that, I do indeed have a vague awareness of the number of firearms in my immediate proximity on a day to day basis-- I was born and raised in TX, and have lived here pretty much constantly since 1973, so I've grown up with and around the buckaroos and the cowboys who would forget their hats before they forget to strap on a pistol.

As a matter of fact, knowing the large number is one of the many reasons I've instituted my "Avoid Firearms" policy. And it's worked pretty good so far... :shrug:

[tburnsten]

122. There really aren't that many negligent discharges

It's just that when they happen, everyone nearby has a tendency to notice. And anyone using safe gun handling practices who does have a negligent discharge will not harm others, since the biggest rule in gun safety is to not point the gun at anything you aren't willing to shoot, even if you aren't planning on shooting.

Please don't call this an accidental discharge, unless the gun malfunctioned somehow it was not an accidental discharge. People have a bad habit of calling car collisions accidents because it makes the involved feel better about it, but the truth is with modern firearms accidental discharges are so rare that a minscule number of shooters will ever witness or even hear (firsthand) about one in their lifetime. One I can think of is an SKS with a gummed up firing pin channel slam-firing when the bolt is closed, that would be an accidental discharge. Fooling with your pistol and shooting yourself due to poor trigger discipline is far from an accident, it is predictable.

[LanternWaste]

123. How about: Any Type of Discharge?

How about: I want to avoid Any Type of Discharge? Accidental, Predictable, Intentional, Negligental, Malfunctional-- in other words, I want to stay away from 'em all. That's the only point I was making.

Sorry-- to me there's With Intent (Not Accidental) and Without Intent (accidental). I won't allow myself to get drawn into some respectably Politically Correct/NRA nomenclature...

[tburnsten]

125. What does the NRA have to do with it?

Firearms safety is absolute, there are no circumstances when the rules change, and that has nothing to do with the NRA. Just pointing out that "accidental discharge" makes it seem as if guns just fire off all by themselves, when they most certainly do not.

[LanternWaste]

128. You appear to be going down a very strange road

You appear to be going down a very strange road that has absolutely nothing relevant or valid to my original point. :shrug:




But, to assuage your delicate sensibilities....
I imagine only either the NRA or the Politically Correct Purist would hazard calling an Accident something other than an accident, thus I listed both. Better?

Was the gun discharge an accident or was it intentional? Those are the two choices I'm looking at. You may qualify those with additional, conditional causes-- good for you! But I don't.

I'm sure weapons rarely go off by themselves. I'm sure most people know that.

I'm sure that most people are aware that the term Car Accident does not refer to a driverless automobile.

All better now...?


Edited: spelling

[hogwyld]

68. Just another reason why people can't be trusted

with firearms. I pray to Dog for the day that America wakes up from its coma, and outlaws these useless things. We may not win today, or tomorrow, but win we will. If ya'll want to play with guns, join the police or the Army...

[slackmaster]

69. "...join the police or the Army..."

Because we all know cops and soldiers aren't really people.

[hogwyld]

78. At least they're supervised better

than the average citizen gun owner wannabe. Besides, when the cop is off duty, or the soldier is off base/off duty, they need to leave their firearms secured at the police station/base.

[slackmaster]

81. Your last statement may be true in some places

But not most. Off-duty police officers in my city are expected to carry their weapons most of the time.

[michreject]

88. And who told you that?

when the cop is off duty, or the soldier is off base/off duty, they need to leave their firearms secured at the police station/base.

You're a funny guy. BTW. You're wrong.

[Pavulon]

113. Ha, holy fucking shit..

I saw some of the MOST STUPID shit in the NG. Most people I met were pretty smart guys with long time civilian jobs, many LEO and FD guys. They had a pretty good grasp on weapons safety.

However there were some stupid shits too. People I would not like behind me with a can of spray paint, never mind a m16.

Some one upstream mentioned accidental discharge, there was only negligent discharge, which led to discipline.

There is no accidental discharge of a weapon.

[DangerDave921]

77. Founding Fathers

would disagree with you. Vehemently.

And once they're outlawed, what would stop criminals from using them? They don't obey laws in the first place.

Also, drugs have been outlawed for years and drug use is rampant.

[hogwyld]

80. The "founding fathers" had a different view of things

back then. We are a larger, more populous, more civil society. Just because they are old, doesn't mean they were right.

[DangerDave921]

92. You know, you're right

Let's scrap the 4th amendment too. It's outdated. And who needs freedom of speech or freedom of religion? Those are outdated too.

[hogwyld]

102. Overreact much?

At least the 1st and 4th amendments you stated won't cause physical harm.

[DangerDave921]

119. My point

is that you can't pick and choose which of our rights to give up. You may personally choose not to exercise a right, but you can't dictate that others give up theirs. All of our rights are important, not just the ones you choose to use.

[Greyhound]

72. Firearms safety 101. EPIC FAIL. n/t

[ColbertWatcher]

73. "This guy was clearing his Glock...

...prior to taking his son to a movie"

Now we know where Elvis is.

[Lorentz]

84. People who shoot themselves deserve everything they get.

The general conclusion is: they shouldn't have the gun.

[mudesi]

98. I honestly don't know why gun nuts are allowed here

This is supposed to be a liberal/progressive board.

[spin]

105. Probably because it's called DEMOCRATIC Underground..

Finally, after many years, the Democratic Party is beginning to understand that alienating gun owners is an excellent way to lose elections.

Former one issue gun voters are starting to move toward the Democratic Party. The track record of the Republican Party and their leader George W Bush has disgusted them. The recent SCOTUS ruling on firearms will also relieves some of their concerns.

Some will post on this board, but you can't expect them to change their attitude toward draconian gun laws. You may disagree, but most of these new DU posters will not fall into your typical stereotype of "red neck, racist knuckle dragging assholes" as I have seen them described by some long term DU posters.

In the end run, DU may prove to be both a more interesting and challenging website to post on. Expect any anti gun view you express to be challenged with facts and statistics.

It's easy to post on boards that only reflect your views. It's more fun to post on a board where you often encounter views opposite to your own. If you do present a logical, informative and rational argument you may well convince other lurkers and members of DU that you are correct. Both sides of the gun issue have valid points.

I doubt if you'll ever change your mind on guns, but you may gain some appreciation of people who have far different viewpoints than yours.

[slackmaster]

107. I wish shitheads were not allowed on DU, but shitheads vote and their opinions do matter

:hi:

[DangerDave921]

120. Nuts?

Seems like anyone who likes guns is labeled a nut. Why is that? I know plenty of Dems who hunt, target shoot, and just plain like guns.

Guns are a weird thing; there is no political viewpoint that matches up with gun ownership.

[tburnsten]

127. Maybe being progressive

has something to do with openess and tolerance. Something you are apparently in short supply of.

[aikoaiko]

99. Coincidently, the DEA agent who shot himself in the foot with a Glock .40 did so in Orlando, too.

There must be something in the water that makes Glock owners "Goofy".

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0411061foot1.html

[slackmaster]

108. Oh you didn't...

:rofl:

[tburnsten]

126. But he was the only one professional enough for a Glock .40!

Idiot. How far did his lawsuit get anyway?

[shadowknows69]

111. When people say "Only in America" this is the kind of shit they're talking about

It used to be things like freedom, equality, opportunity.

[dflprincess]

118. You never know when the Beagle Boys might show up

and you'll have to defend Scrooge McDuck from them.