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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 05:32 PM
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Choosing Hagel for VP would be a smart move for Obama
Edited on Sun Jul-27-08 05:37 PM by happydreams
Hagel is a man who gets things done! He snatched a Senate seat in a race heavily favored for the democrat in 1996 and 2002. As described it was a long shot on both occasions.

How did he do it? He's smart, he was chairman of the board for the voting machine company that counted the votes.



Stalin: It's Not the People Who Vote that Count; It's the People Who Count the Votes








This whole article is worth a read here are some choice parts (see my caveat after the quote):





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Increasingly, investigative writers seeking an explanation have looked to Diebold’s history for clues. The electronic voting industry is dominated by only a few corporations – Diebold, Election Systems & Software (ES&S) and Sequoia. Diebold and ES&S combined count an estimated 80% of U.S. black box electronic votes.

In the early 1980s, brothers Bob and Todd Urosevich founded ES&S’s originator, Data Mark. The brothers Urosevich obtained financing from the far-Right Ahmanson family in 1984, which purchased a 68% ownership stake, according to the Omaha World Herald. After brothers William and Robert Ahmanson infused Data Mark with new capital, the name was changed to American Information Systems (AIS). California newspapers have long documented the Ahmanson family’s ties to right-wing evangelical Christian and Republican circles.

In 2001, the Los Angeles Times reported, “. . . primarily funded by evangelical Christians – particularly the wealthy Ahmanson family of Irvine – the institute’s $1-million annual program has produced 25 books, a stream of conferences and more than 100 fellowships for doctoral and postdoctoral research.” The chief philanthropists of the Discovery Institute, that pushes creationist science and education in California, are Howard and Roberta Ahmanson.

According to Group Watch, in the 1980s Howard F. Ahmanson, Jr. was a member of the highly secretive far-Right Council for National Policy, an organization that included Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North, Major General John K. Singlaub and other Iran-Contra scandal notables, as well as former Klan members like Richard Shoff. Ahmanson, heir to a savings and loan fortune, is little reported on in the mainstream U.S. press. But, English papers like The Independent are a bit more forthcoming on Ahmanson’s politics.

“On the right, figures such as Richard Mellon Scaife and Howard Ahmanson have given hundreds of millions of dollars over several decades to political projects both high (setting up the Heritage Foundation think-tank, the driving engine of the Reagan presidency) and low (bankrolling investigations into President Clinton’s sexual indiscretions and the suicide of the White House insider Vincent Foster),” wrote The Independent last November.

The Sunday Mail described an individual as, “. . . a fundamentalist Christian more in the mould of U.S. multi-millionaire Howard Ahmanson, Jr., who uses his fortune to promote so-called traditional family values . . . by waving fortunes under their noses, Ahmanson has the ability to cajole candidates into backing his right-wing Christian agenda.

Ahmanson is also a chief contributor to the Chalcedon Institute that supports the Christian reconstruction movement. The movement’s philosophy advocates, among other things, “mandating the death penalty for homosexuals and drunkards.”

The Ahmanson family sold their shares in American Information Systems to the McCarthy Group and the World Herald Company, Inc. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel disclosed in public documents that he was the Chairman of American Information Systems and claimed between a $1 to 5 million investment in the McCarthy Group. In 1997, American Information Systems purchased Business Records Corp. (BRC), formerly Texas-based election company Cronus Industries, to become ES&S. One of the BRC owners was Carolyn Hunt of the right-wing Hunt oil family, which supplied much of the original money for the Council on National Policy.

In 1996, Hagel became the first elected Republican Nebraska senator in 24 years when he did surprisingly well in an election where the votes were verified by the company he served as chairman and maintained a financial investment. In both the 1996 and 2002 elections, Hagel’s ES&S counted an estimated 80% of his winning votes. Due to the contracting out of services, confidentiality agreements between the State of Nebraska and the company kept this matter out of the public eye. Hagel’s first election victory was described as a “stunning upset” by one Nebraska newspaper.


Hagel’s official biography states, “Prior to his election to the U.S. Senate, Hagel worked in the private sector as the President of McCarthy and Company, an investment banking firm based in Omaha, Nebraska and served as Chairman of the Board of American Information Systems.” During the first Bush presidency, Hagel served as Deputy Director and Chief Operating Officer of the 1990 Economic Summit of Industrialized Nations (G-7 Summit).

Bob Urosevich was the Programmer and CEO at AIS, before being replaced by Hagel. Bob now heads Diebold Election Systems and his brother Todd is a top executive at ES&S. Bob created Diebold’s original electronic voting machine software. Thus, the brothers Urosevich, originally funded by the far Right, figure in the counting of approximately 80% of electronic voting in the United States.

Like Ohio, the State of Maryland was disturbed by the potential for massive electronic voter fraud. The voters of that state were reassured when the state hired SAIC to monitor Diebold’s system. SAIC’s former CEO is Admiral Bill Owens. Owens served as a military aide to both Vice President Dick Cheney and former Defense Secretary Frank Carlucci, who now works with George H.W. Bush at the controversial Carlyle Group. Robert Gates, former CIA Director and close friend of the Bush family, also served on the SAIC Board. ...




There is only one problem with having Hagel as VP. I've heard he has found the Lord and changed his evil ways and now wants to do right, which is to move left; but he could also be faking (he could have kept his fingers crossed when lying). If he is lying he could get his boys at ES&S to do the opposite for Obama than what they did for him. :scared:
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 05:34 PM
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1. Nebraska a strongly Democratic state?
are you kidding me?
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 05:39 PM
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4. The article called it a stunning upset.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 05:54 PM
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18. It wasn't stunning in retrospect (the first win, in '96--the 2002 race, it would
have been stunning if Hagel HADN'T won). Nebraska started trending very red, and you had a self-financed, multi-millionaire, good-looking combat veteran, who graduated from University of Nebraska, Reagan appointee, successful entrepreneur, very well-connected in the state and in Washington--come on. Nebraska's been mostly red ever since, with the exception of Ben Nelson, who's about as far right as a Dem can be.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 06:01 PM
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21. Nelson burnt a lead against Hagel
in a very GOP year in a GOP state. Hardly the upset of the century.
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 05:35 PM
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2. This is DU...
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 05:38 PM
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3. no
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 05:39 PM
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5. No, I don't want somebody that RW as VP
He's right on Iraq, but wrong on just about everything else.

Sec. of Defense, I can see
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 05:42 PM
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6. Hagel is a republican!
The only thing he has in common with most Democrats is that he's against the war. Check his damn voting record and then say with a straight face he'd be a good vp candidate for Obama.

By the way, I live in NE, and if it's not a red state, it sure presents itself as one.
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 05:43 PM
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7. I like only two things Hagel has stood up for

Protesting the war and sponsoring the american horse slaughter (ban) bill. Otherwise,
Hagel is a conservative republican and doesn't stand a chance. I think he is seeing
the light though and I admire him for that.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 05:44 PM
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8. Im almost positive Hagel is close enough to Obama (personally) to be in the Cabinet
But I doubt even he expects a serious shot at the VP slot.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 05:45 PM
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9. I am not voting for a Republican anywhere on the ticket.
You want another Republican just a heartbeat away. This is the party that has screwed things up so badly. They should not be anywhere near the office for many, many years.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 05:45 PM
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10. I'll don't want him running as the Dem candidate in 2016.
That, and the fact that there are scores of real Democrats that I'd rather see on the ticket.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 05:45 PM
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11. It would be the stupidest fucking thing he could possibly do
because Hagel is as GOP as they get, consistently voting against women, working people, and the constitution.

It would tell people that Obama's change will be cosmetic only.

In that case, why bother to vote, at all?
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 08:40 PM
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41. "It would tell people that Obama's change will be cosmetic only."
And we don't want to tell the people the truth, do we?
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 08:41 PM
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43. The truth?
You don't know that's the truth, nobody does.

What we do know is that the GOP is inflexible, inextricably bound to failed dogma.

At least with Democrats, there is a chance. With the GOP, there is none.

But thanks for playing.
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 08:50 PM
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44. How is Obama so different?
Will Obama support impeachment?

Will Obama with-drawl the unconditional American support for the Israeli occupation of Palestine?

Will Obama abolish the death penalty?

Will Obama get every American health insurance?

Will Obama give homosexuals real marriage rights (like in The Netherlands)?

Will Obama reform the US prison system to meet international human rights standards?

Will Obama stop the phony war on terror?

Will Obama ban gun ownership?

The answer to all these questions is: NO, he will not. THUS my conclusion is: his 'change' will be cosmetically only. THUS he could easily take Hagel as VP.

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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 05:46 PM
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12. no.
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samdogmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 05:48 PM
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13. Ummm! Last I checked he (Hagel) OWNS the voting machines that elected him!
Edited on Sun Jul-27-08 05:54 PM by samdogmom
Go figure! Who wants to trust this clown?

NOT ME! No matter how much sense he makes about IRAQ!

HE OWNS THE MACHINES!!!!!!! THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER!

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0131-01.htm

edited to make clear I meant Hagel and NOT Obama!
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 05:49 PM
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14. Seriously, I think Hagel is doing Obama a favor by letting his name
be used publicly for speculation, and for saying he'd consider the VP slot (rather than embarrass the Obama campaign by saying, no way in hell--remember how McCain and the GOP tried to embarrass Kerry about that whole Kerry/McCain discussion?). This way, Obama gets to enhance his appeal to Indies, with no risk. That's what I think is going on.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 07:32 PM
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34. I've been hoping the same, wienerdoggie
I sure as heck hope he's not being given any kind of serious consideration.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 05:49 PM
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15. DUers and their love of republicans.... What a wonderful sight.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 05:51 PM
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16. I think he still belongs to the party of diaper wearing, toe tapping freaks
Edited on Sun Jul-27-08 05:51 PM by NNN0LHI
I don't think it would help Obama to be associated with this group. Probably just the opposite.

Unless we are actively courting the vote of diaper fetish freaks or bathroom cruisers I don't see the gain.

Don
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Lebam in LA Donating Member (717 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 05:51 PM
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17. Why is this crap continually being put out there?
:puke: :puke:

HAGEL = NO!!!!!!! Why do people keep shilling for him?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 09:10 PM
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47. I am astounded that most in this thread did NOT read the OP...IT'S SARCASM !!!!
:banghead:
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 05:57 PM
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19. WTF?!
He's a puke!

WTF?! :puke:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 05:59 PM
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20. Is Joementum already engaged?
What about Tom Delay or Dennis Hastert?

In a year Democrats are going to win big, do we really need to hunt around for a Republican to hold us back?
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 06:06 PM
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22. While his view on the war is right on, his view on social issues is
totally right wing. I do not want to see him as VP, there is only one issue that he would be in agreement with Obama on. I can see him in a cabinet post though, maybe even secdef.
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Merlot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 06:10 PM
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23. I know you're kidding, but this article is why hagle should NOT be vp
or even in Obamas administration. And they're are people who float his name around, they should all read this.

ps. not a typo on hagle
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kcass1954 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 06:23 PM
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24. NFW. At the end of the day, there's still an R after his name. n/t
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 06:32 PM
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25. God Almighty, how many times does this need to come up?
People gets stomped on for merely mentioning that Cindy Sheehan can get on the ballot in California, and yet these Hagel threads keep popping up.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 07:32 PM
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35. I know. It's like a zombie that just won't die. nt
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 06:37 PM
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26. Choosing Biden as a running mate would be great for McCain.
Sounds ludicrous, doesn't it? Yes, because it is.

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 06:43 PM
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27. You must be los'n 'em.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 06:49 PM
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28. I'm assuming your tongue is in your cheek.
Now try to imagine Hagel as president. And if he'd fix a Senate election, what would he do to be president?
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 03:03 PM
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50. We'll yea. People need to read the post instead of reacting to the first line.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 07:02 PM
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29. Nope. Just keep using him like McCheese uses Joeho...n/t
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 07:05 PM
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30. No Republicans! - WE WANT CHANGE!
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 07:09 PM
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31. That would be a dumb move but I caught the sarcasm.... Hagel's a Repub! n/t
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 07:30 PM
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32. Disagree.
Hagel is a GOP.

He has had every opportunity to leave that criminal syndicate and hasn't.

I don't care what can be dug up from his past, he remains a member of a GOP sleeper cell as far as I'm concerned.

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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 07:31 PM
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33. There's plenty more than one problem with Hagel. And he hasn't
done any moving to the left. He's seen the light somewhat on Iraq. That's it. That's as far as that *move* goes.

He's a hard-core right wing conservative, against women's rights, against environmental protections - pretty much against anything the Democratic party stands for.

He'd be a HORRIBLE choice as VP.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 07:36 PM
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36. Just As Smart As Gore's Move To Select Leiberman For VP
Sure.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 07:38 PM
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37. We aren't nominating a republican and they are not nominating a Democrat

I'll be glad when they choose whoever and we get silly season over with.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 07:40 PM
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38. NO OLD SKOOL!
Edited on Sun Jul-27-08 07:42 PM by Atman
I disagree. Choosing any of these rich old white men, GOP, DLC, DNC, whatever, the same names who've we've all seen in the headlines since we were kids, is the exact WRONG choice for Obama -- the guy who is running on CHANGE. You don't "change" by calling in the same old entrenched Washington pols. You change by injecting fresh thinking and fresh ideas. The only thing fresh about Hagel is the coat of lacquer he put on his hair this morning.

.
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Jazzgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 08:33 PM
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39. I am totally sick of dems posting crap about a puke
being Obama's VP pick. This is sick and uncalled for. Quit.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 08:35 PM
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40. Uh.... it's sarcasm. ... read the OP.... n't
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 08:41 PM
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42. Disagree.
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GardeningGal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 08:55 PM
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45. Disagree.
There should be no Republican as VP when they are only a heart beat away from the presidency.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 09:07 PM
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46. Uh, NOoooo?!1 n/t
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Hubert H. Hubert Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 09:55 PM
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48. BREAKING: DU hit hard by outbreak of Sarcasm Impairment
Jesus, people. I knew it was sarcasm the moment I saw who posted it. Does anyone actually read the posts anymore?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 09:58 PM
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49. LMAO.... "Outbreak of Sarcasm Impairment"-- There's a Flu going around....
:rofl:
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 03:04 PM
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51. ROFL!. You got it! Welcome to DU, we need lots more like you.
Edited on Tue Jul-29-08 03:06 PM by happydreams
:rofl:
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