A parting gift (or is it a parting shot?) from the * Administration:

[CaliforniaPeggy]

Parting gift for religious right?

Denogean: Bush plan defines pill, IUD as abortion

Fertilization vs. implantation
ANNE T. DENOGEAN
Tucson Citizen

In its final months, the Bush administration is wrapping up a parting gift for the religious right: an official definition of abortion so sweeping it would include the use of birth control pills and other forms of hormonal contraceptives, as well as intrauterine devices.

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services quietly drafted a rule that would put into federal code this radical definition of abortion.

"The basis is ideology," said Rachel Chánes, the Tucson-based vice president of community services for Planned Parenthood Arizona. "We think this is coming from the Bush-appointed ideologues that are in there who are not apologetic about (the department's) stance on being anti-woman, anti-birth control and anti-abortion."
The proposal came to light because somebody leaked it to the public. It expands upon federal law that prohibits entities that receive federal dollars from discriminating against health care providers - institutions and individuals - who refuse to perform, pay for or make referrals for abortions based on moral objections.

The problem is the rule allows the individual or the institution to decide when a pregnancy begins and what constitutes an abortion, rather than relying on the widely accepted scientific definitions of both.

More at link:
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/daily/local/91560.php


This evil administration must be stopped from implementing this plan.

:grr:

[TomInTib]

1. They just can't help themselves, can they?

These must be some eternally angry people.

I am glad as hell that I don't know any of them. I wonder where they come from.

They all must have had a very sorry childhood.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. No, I don't think they can help themselves...

I don't know where they came from either, but I sure wish they'd go back...

Thank you...

[jwirr]

5. They have gone "back" - back to prior to the reformation era when

the Catholic Church absolutely forbid any kind of birth control and considered women on a scale below the animals. This is a total disgrace and what they do not know is that most churches, even rw ones, do not condemn the use of birth control - only the Catholic Church has this on their books yet.

[Triana]

3. The American Taliban's Last Shot at Total Control of US women and their bodies and lives...

...what's next? Burkas? No education and jobs allowed?

:mad:

[CaliforniaPeggy]

4. That's what it looks like, doesn't it?

I don't think so!

Not if I have anything to say about it!

I may not be young any more, but I ain't dead yet...:grr:

[dmr]

30. Unless all men pledge to procreate, there is no need for Viagra.

Can't let them waste God's seed of future children. Allow Viagra only in fertility clinics.

As with you, this old lady ain't dead yet either, and I'll be damn if I'll sit still just to return to the days of pain, humiliation, and death. I witnessed twice in my life the death of one friend and the horrific painful rupture and infection of another that resulted in infertility. I sure the hell don't intend to watch this happen again.

Shame on them. Even if it's only a wedge issue, shame on them.

:grr:

[Muttocracy]

6. Is this the one Hillary's been speaking out against? I hope she can take this on. nt

[alfredo]

7. What a bunch of assholes.

[SpiralHawk]

8. Will they be redefining Diaper Sex with Hookers, or will they maintain a Wide Stance

on that and other republicon closet preferences?

[CaliforniaPeggy]

9. LOL!

Well.......you know they must protect their own!

Can you spell HYPOCRISY?

Yup..

[piedmont]

10. k&r. This is important, folks. nt

[CaliforniaPeggy]

11. It sure is, and I thank you!

[drmeow]

12. Probably the only time in my life

when I will say this but I hope Big Pharma gets their claws into this one. I'll be THEY don't want BC pills to be classified as abortion.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

13. That's an interesting point...

I wonder where they would come down on this...

I imagine that the majority would agree with you...

[drmeow]

28. I did a quick search

but couldn't find any numbers. I did find this:

"Watson Pharmaceuticals, the drug maker, said yesterday that 2003 profit would increase as much as 13 percent, to $1.75 and $1.85 a share, helped by the introduction of a treatment for incontinence. Analysts surveyed by Thomson First Call had expected the company to earn $1.74 a share. The company also expects to benefit from higher demand for its birth control pills and four pain medicines it agreed to buy from Novartis. Total sales this year will be $1.34 billion to $1.44 billion, a gain of as much as 16 percent over the previous year, Watson said. " New York Times (although it was 2003).

I think this a lot of posturing on the part of the Bush White House. I think it was a deliberate leak to keep the "religious base" happy. Believe me, business owns those guys 100% and they are not going to damage that. If anything, it is a weapon to use when Obama wins the election (i.e., if their election fraud fails this year). They will do it in November and Obama will reverse it in January. Mission accomplished - religious right happy with Rethugs, unhappy with Obama.

[Imagevision]

14. Bush's parting shot will be Iran...

[CaliforniaPeggy]

16. I sure hope not...but it could be...

[drmeow]

29. Bush's parting "shot"

will be machine gun fire. Iran will be just one bullet in that f**king gun.

[spanone]

15. evil administration indeed

motherfuckers

[LaurenG]

17. Since he is such a selfish human I can't help but wonder why.

Why would anyone want to allow the planet to be even more overpopulated? They aren't so stupid that they think people won't have sex.

There are many ways to prevent pregnancy that will spring up out of the gardens of women should this happen.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

18. Yes, there are other ways to prevent pregnancy...

But if this gets implemented, it will place an unspeakable burden on many women, and their partners and families...

Just sayin'...

[LaurenG]

19. Oh of course, I totally got that. I was just thinking how much of a certain

herb it might take to give contraceptives to all the ladies in my city. Of course it grows wild around here so it may be easier then I think.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

20. Oh, OK...

Which herb are you talking about?

:hi:

[LaurenG]

22. check your pm

I will say this much to others reading. Google is your friend.

[Chulanowa]

21. I'd rather this not happen...

I nearly lost a good friend when she used oil of pennyroyal as an abortifacient. She didn't pay attention to the primary rule of herbal medicine, don't use essential oils internally...

[LaurenG]

23. I agree with you totally. The rebellious female in me will not be stopped by a group of men

telling me how to have sex.

My point is there will be an underground that stretches far and wide and it WILL include MD's. In a pinch there are things that can be used that are very common. :hi:


edit: spelling rebellious ;)

[Chulanowa]

26. it's a point I use frequently with anti-woman rightwingers

if a woman wants to abort, she will abort. There is absolutely no way at all to stop her. I would rather such women have easy access to actual medical care, rather than doing it themselves. nobody should take a friend or loved one to the ER from pulegone poisoning, much less any of the more... visceral methods used.

I also make sure to point out that in 1968, there were 1.2 abortions - a number that is very likely an underestimate due to lack of information on illegal procedures... compared to 1.3 million yearly in the US, with a much larger population.

legal or not, women who want to abort will do so. So their position is less about "protecting life" than it is punishing women for controlling their own uterus

[bulloney]

39. Funny, but abortions in this country declined under Clinton, but rebounded under W.

Why do you suppose that is?:sarcasm:

[Chulanowa]

45. Because Sex Ed was encouraged under Clinton's administration

There is an inverse correlation between quality of sex education and unwanted pregnancy.

[Lionel Mandrake]

24. Why do otherwise intelligent people who are mired in religion

want to allow the planet to be even more overpopulated?

That's a good question.

Their thinking (if any) must go something like the following:

God wants us all to "be fruitful and multiply" (Genesis 1:28).

Besides, if this life is only a brief preparation for the really important afterlife,
then why worry about the planet?

God can provide an exponentially growing food supply if He chooses to do so.

If not, then it will be His will that the sinful multitudes suffer.

[barbtries]

36. well, endless war does require

a regular supply of bodies. they couldn't have all their fine things and obscene wealth without the bodies to bring the resources out of the ground. just bodies. they could give a flying fuck about the people. but they will continue to require bodies.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

25. In the end, these people crave control.

Rights and privacy are to be theirs and theirs alone. To them, we are nothing but worker drones, to be kept uninformed and afraid.

Sadly, too many of the women who might see this as a victory will suffer from it. :grr:

[DebJ]

27. Is this because their mothers wished they'd made a different

choice?

[rasputin1952]

31. Why does bush hate us for our freedoms?

:(

[billyoc]

32. Bush Wants You To Know That Conception Starts At "Hello"

http://www.druckerbrothers.com/2008/07/you-conceived-him-at-hello.html

:rofl:

[barbtries]

37. that was good.

the first few comments no less so

[Liberal Dose]

33. The drag backwards continues to accelerate. nt

:mad:

[screembloodymurder]

34. What makes you think we're leaving?

:evilgrin: Nothing says a President can't serve as V.P.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

38. * as VP?

Ha!

He can't sit as VP...after two terms he is no longer eligible to be President...as if he ever was!

Or did you mean Cheney?

I don't think so!

What an evil thought!


:evilgrin:

:spank: :spank:

[Thothmes]

35. I would think that a Democratically controlled

Congress should be able to but the kabosh to this set of rules.

[bluesbassman]

40. Their hubris has no limit.

They know this is an area of monumental concern to ALL Americans, yet feel they can backdoor their agenda with no regard for the opposing viewpoint. Bidness as usual for the BFEE.

Thanks for posting this CaliforniaPeggy! Recommended.

[pipi_k]

41. What those asswipes don't even stop to think about

is that for many women, like myself, bc pills weren't/aren't mainly to prevent unwanted pregnancy.

After my last child was born I had constant bleeding for three months...every single day. I'd get up in the morning, bleed copiously, and it would slow down and finally stop by nightfall.

Next morning the same thing all over again.

I saw a doctor, who gave me a shot of something or other, then put me on bc pills to regulate my screwed up hormones, which was what the problem was.

If bc pills had been illegal or harder to get back then, who knows...I might have had to undergo a hysterectomy or something. I was 22. If that's not permanent birth control, I don't know what is...

How many innocent little unfertilized "children" might I have been "aborting" then, I wonder?

I sincerely hope saner minds prevail in this ridiculous scheme. At this point in my life I'm past childbearing age, but damn it, I want other women younger than I am to have the same freedoms of CHOICE that I had during much of my own youth.

[AzDar]

42. K & R &....

:puke:

[MonkeyFunk]

43. And it will be overturned on

the first day of Obama's presidency.

[Whoa_Nelly]

44. As a woman, I just want to know

Where do I line up to get my burqa? :sarcasm:

Teh above meant as sarcasm is really not too far from the stranglehold BushCo is trying to place upon women and their already legally defined rights as US citizens.

Have I mentioned lately how much I hate all of those neocons? :grr: :nuke: :mad:


A little photoshop I did a while back.
Seems almost fitting right now...

[intheflow]

46. I'm sorry I didnt' see this in the 24-hour rec time.

This needs to be shouted form rooftops. WTF is wrong with Laura and Lynn and Condi that they don't stand up for women's rights? :grr: