Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

The $4,284 monthly health insurance premium

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 09:25 AM
Original message
The $4,284 monthly health insurance premium
The $4,284 monthly premium

"Paul reached his breaking point when he got his latest renewal notice in August; the monthly premium was now $4,284."

.....

And anyone with a pre-existing condition who has an individual health insurance policy must pay whatever rate the company charges. Although it is illegal in all states to kick people out of insurance plans if they become ill, in most states insurance companies are allowed to increase rates for individual health insurance policies as much as they need to cover the plan's medical costs, plus a reasonable profit.

Companies also control their risk by using a maneuver known as closing a block or book of business. They stop accepting new customers in a plan, which kicks off a process known as a "death spiral."

Even if everyone in an insurance plan starts out relatively healthy, as time goes on, people get sick, and the cost to insure them rises. Once the pool is closed, costs for the remaining members rise inexorably. Healthier members find cheaper plans, but sicker ones are effectively forced out because they can't afford coverage.

Once that process gets going, premiums on individual health insurance policies can rise at a breathtaking rate. Jesse Paul, 59, an Indianapolis lawyer, paid $25.50 a month for his individual, $100- deductible Prudential major medical policy when he took it out in 1980. Premiums rose steadily for years but at a pace that Paul deemed "rational in terms of medical costs." In 2003 the premium shot up from about $1,200 to about $1,900 a month at renewal.

When Paul complained to the state insurance department, he learned that the policy had been closed to new entrants for years, that he was one of only 400 to 600 customers left in the state, and that the premium increase was permissible under Indiana law. Paul reached his breaking point when he got his latest renewal notice in August; the monthly premium was now $4,284. He quickly found out he was uninsurable on the private market because he took medications for high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and allergies.

http://www.consumerreports.org/health/insurance/health-care-on-your-own-1-08/the-4284-monthly-premium/health-care-on-your-own-monthly-premium.htm
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 09:26 AM
Response to Original message
1. And America is the greatest...
how?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 09:27 AM
Response to Original message
2. Lower than McCain's premiums except he has government health care (ie taxpayer, or socialized)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 09:28 AM
Response to Original message
3. But McCain wants to give him a 4000 dollar tax break per year to pay for it
McCain is either out of touch, crooked or both.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 09:31 AM
Response to Original message
4. The only solution is single-payer universal insurance or for the government to control
(cap) medical costs. There is no justification for the massive increases in drugs... some that have been on the market for decades. Take human insulin, which I first started buying in May 2004 at a cost of $15 a vial. It's now somewhere between $42 and $48. Triple the price in just 4 years. This is the same insulin that was developed and researched decades ago so there are no 'research and development' costs. Why does it cost about $85 just to see a doctor for a few minutes when in the 1970's it was about $10?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 09:31 AM
Response to Original message
5. The wonderful insurance company death spiral!
When someone buys an individual policy, he's put into a large pool. As people in the pool age, the cost of the policy goes up. Healthier people find they can buy new, cheaper policies elsewhere and drop out, leaving the sicker people in the original pool. Eventually the premiums for those who are left go well beyond anyone's ability to pay. The sickest people in the pool, the ones who have actually needed to use the insurance, are left either paying ridiculously high premiums or dropping out completely, meaning they are uninsurable at any price.

I became uninsurable 20 years ago.

The only way to keep health insurance is to avoid getting health care.

This is why we need to get the insurance companies out of the business forever.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 09:31 AM
Response to Original message
6. Your "free market" health care system at work!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
norepubsin08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 09:33 AM
Response to Original message
7. Once again...
I'll say it at the risk of being accused of being a Communist...UNIVERSAL HEALTH INSURANCE....A SINGLE PAYER HEALTH PLAN....

I was born in Germany at 3 weeks old I came down with a case of encephalitis I was in critical care for about 4 weeks and in the hospital for six months. My parents bill in today's money? 192.00 and hospital basically apologized for that. If we wish to be a great nation...we need to a least provide the basics!!!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 09:45 AM
Response to Reply #7
12. Universal health care, not insurance.
The insurance companies will add needless cost to universal care because they are for-profit entities. Best to cut them out of primary health care coverage and let them sell other lines.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
norepubsin08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #12
23. Oops I meant Universal Health Care not insurance
it was early in the morning and my brain hadn't kicked in all the way...mea culpa!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 09:34 AM
Response to Original message
8. Disgusting. eom
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 09:34 AM
Response to Original message
9. If they close a plan to new members, they should be forced to allow members to move to other plans..
offered by the carrier without penalty. Send everyone notices stating that the plan has closed enrollment, with state mandated verbiage that over time the premium of this plan is guaranteed to rise at an increasing rate.

That would certainly be an easy partial fix for states to implement.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 09:34 AM
Response to Original message
10. And if he lived in Canada, he would be fine..
Maybe that Boston Tea Party thing was not such a good idea after all :eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 09:39 AM
Response to Original message
11. One more reason that we need true, single payer, non-profit universal health care
Not the plans cooked up by Obama and Clinton, but something more akin to what Canada and Europe have, like Kucinich proposed. Anything less simply means that the insurance companies are going to continue to fleece the public.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 09:56 AM
Response to Original message
13. "He is now insured by the Indiana high- risk pool for a premium of $650 a month." . . .
for most Americans, $650 a month ($7800/year) is still far too much to pay for health insurance . . . most simply can't afford it . . . if you're making $25,000/year -- or, say, $18,000 after taxes -- that $7800 represents over 43% of your take-home pay . . .
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:01 AM
Response to Reply #13
14. INSURANCE THIEVES HAVE BEEN CRIMINAL FOR A CENTURY
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #13
18. The insurance companies only want healthy people.
Everyone else becomes my problem as a taxpayer.

I have an idea! How about I insure healthy people as well as sick ones?

Medicare for all.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:14 AM
Response to Original message
15. Oh, so when they actually have to deliver on the product they are selling, they get to charge more?
Tell me how this is supposed to make sense and how it is some sort of efficient system again...

No more for-profit Health care. Pay the people providing the service fairly and cut out al of the middlemen.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:28 AM
Response to Original message
16. Assuming insurance was allowed to stay in business:
Force them to keep all their customers in one big pool, make it illegal to discriminate based on preexisting conditions or any medical condition at all - everyone pays the same, and nobody who can pay the premiums is excluded. Doesn't matter if the customer is a healthy 23 year old who was insured for two decades, or a brand new customer who needs a heart transplant - in that case, the insurer eats the fucking bill.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 11:42 AM
Response to Reply #16
19. Yes. They're denying coverage to people who with average health.
And placing everyone in ever-smaller risk pools which they can then close if the micro-pool becomes unprofitable.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:37 AM
Response to Original message
17. "high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and allergies"
Shit, that's like most of America! :crazy:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 11:43 AM
Response to Original message
20. that's why private health insurance fails consumers
Edited on Wed Aug-13-08 11:44 AM by TexasObserver
Health insurance is only affordable to the healthy, and once you're no longer healthy, you're going to find it harder and harder to pay your premiums and to maintain your coverage.

Insurance companies want customers who don't have significant claims. As soon as you become a monetary net loss for the insurance company, they're looking for ways to cut you loose.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ThatsMyBarack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 11:45 AM
Response to Original message
21. What do the Insurance-Company Nazis DO with that extra cash?!
Edited on Wed Aug-13-08 11:46 AM by danagsk8
I'd have to do without it if my health-insurance companies jacked prices that high JUST FOR ME.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. In Minnesota, they're allegedly non-profit, but their executives aren't starving
and their buildings are lavish.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 12:22 PM
Response to Original message
22. And I bet Paul will never be able to find health insurance again.
Insurance companies do not insure people they deem to have any kind of medical problem. The sick are on their own.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed May 01st 2024, 09:24 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC