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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 06:58 PM
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We are One Fuck-up Away from WWIII...
From DemocracyNow on Monday:


...

AMY GOODMAN: Can you talk about significance of this, in terms of nuclear warfare in Russia? Do we have anything to fear along those lines?

COL. SAM GARDINER: Absolutely. Let me just say that if you were to rate how serious the strategic situations have been in the past few years, this would be above Iraq, this would be above Afghanistan, and this would be above Iran.

On little notice to Americans, the Russians learned at the end of the first Gulf War that they couldn’t—they didn’t think they could deal with the United States, given the value and the quality of American precision conventional weapons. The Russians put into their doctrine a statement, and have broadcast it very loudly, that if the United States were to use precision conventional weapons against Russian troops, the Russians would be forced to respond with tactical nuclear weapons. They continue to state this. They practice this in their exercise. They’ve even had exercises that very closely paralleled what went on in Ossetia, where there was an independence movement, they intervene conventionally to put down the independence movement, the United States and NATO responds with conventional air strikes, they then respond with tactical nuclear weapons.

It appears to me as if the Russians were preparing themselves to do that in this case. First of all, I think they believe the United States was going to intervene. At a news conference on Sunday, the deputy national security adviser said we have noted that the Russians have introduced two SS-21 medium-range ballistic missile launchers into South Ossetia. Now, let me say a little footnote about those. They’re both conventional and nuclear. They have a relatively small conventional warhead, however. So, the military significance, if they were to be conventional, was almost trivial compared to what the Russians could deliver with the aircraft that they were using to strike the Georgians.

I think this was a signal. I think this was an implementation on their part of their doctrine. It clearly appears as if they expected the United States to do what they had practiced in their exercises. In fact, this morning, the Russians had an air defense exercise in the southern part of Russia that borders Georgia in which they—it was practicing shooting down incursion aircraft that were incursion into Russia. They were prepared for the United States to intervene, and I think they were prepared—or at least they were wanting to show the United States that their doctrine of the use of tactical nuclear weapons, if the US attacks, was serious, and they needed to take—the United States needs to take Russia very seriously.

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http://www.democracynow.org/2008/8/11/up_to_2_000_killed_as


So, if Bush & Co throw some cruise missiles on Russian troops, say in response to an "attack" on a C-17 humanitarian relief flight, Putin may throw a tactical nuke on an aircraft carrier group.

You may go back to the Edwards and Olympic Bikini threads now citizens.
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fed_up_mother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:00 PM
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1. We've been one fuck up away from WW III for most of my life
Edited on Wed Aug-13-08 07:20 PM by fed_up_mother
However, we didn't always have "a" fuck up in the White House!

At this point, Bush is making Nixon look good!
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:02 PM
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3. Bingo.
At least in the past we could imagine grownups were running things. Now we know darn well that the inmates are in charge of the asylum.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:03 PM
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4. Yes, this is more like being *reminded* about it.
It was out of fashion to worry about it for a while, but there have been two nuclear superpowers with their fingers on the button even while America was fretting about yellowcake and Iraqi centrifuges.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:17 PM
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10. Yes and No...
Edited on Wed Aug-13-08 07:19 PM by Junkdrawer
It's true we've always been subject to an accidental nuclear launch by one side or the other, but there's only been a few times when tensions have mounted to where all it takes is one misstep to bring us to war. The Cuban Missile Crisis. The Berlin Airlift.

This is another one of those times.
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Truth4Justice Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:30 PM
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19. Yeah, we boomers are all "duck & cover" ready. WWIII coming? Big whoop-de-doo. Not scared at all.
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fed_up_mother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:39 PM
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23. As long as we have weapons of mass destruction on the earth
Edited on Wed Aug-13-08 07:51 PM by fed_up_mother
yes, we are only one fuck up away from nuclear war.

In this case, I don't think war is going to start tomorrow, but the idiots in the WH are leading us down the wrong path. Again.
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Truth4Justice Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:04 PM
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30. Wont matter much longer. Mcshame hasnt got a chance of winning in Nov.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:34 PM
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47. No chance of winning. Big chance of stolen election.
The Neocon Election Stealing Machine (tm) is primed and well rehearsed.
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Truth4Justice Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 12:41 AM
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58. That begs the question of *why* we allowed it twice. Did those men in all these wars die in vain?
Edited on Thu Aug-14-08 12:43 AM by Truth4Justice
or not?

No, it's real simple. Either the election is fair, or we start doing something serious about it,
if it isn't.

Period!


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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 08:05 AM
Response to Reply #58
70. I'm well convinced that the time for "civil" disobedience is over.
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 09:22 PM
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55. That's exactly the problem...
Absent anyone with brains, vision, common sense or experience in any kind of diplomacy that doesn't involve carpet bombing and shock and awe, we're left to trust the situation to Rice, Cheney, Bush, Bolton, Gates, Hadley and the rest of these fucking malevolent imbeciles.

Of course, they'll reach out to more experienced resources. Like war criminal Kissinger; like Perle and Wolfowitz and the idle rich Rumsfeld. The really smart and war-averse guys among the top generals and admirals have been purged and replaced with end times loons from the fundie Air Force or shameless political climbers like Betrayus.

So it's down to the stupidest and least competent gaggle of ideologues and plain old fools to handle this latest bottomless pit they've dug for us. I'm a bit skeptical of a group whose collective IQ and problem solving skills are dwarfed by a flock of homing pigeons.

Fortunately, Putin and the rest of the Russian oligarchy aren't nearly as dumb as our own homegrown nitwits. Can you imagine how skillful, crafty, ruthless, conniving and bold you'd have to be to rise to the top of the KGB? A guy who's that slick isn't going to let fools ruin his grandkid's lives. So there's that to cling to.

But even after all this, I just can't help wanting to have a beer with the guy. Even if he ends up looking like this...



Not for the faint of heart.


wp
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Truth4Justice Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 04:26 AM
Response to Reply #55
59. Nicely put, but I would invite * out for a street fight, not a beer, assuming the SS would allow it.
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DarthDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:02 PM
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2. Oh, Please

Threads like these are just so silly.

Is the Bush Crime Family evil? Yes? Does it have no clue about foreign affairs? Yes. Have they mishandled Russia? Yes. But to suggest that the Russians "expected" the U.S. to get involved, and were prepared to shoot down U.S. planes, is just the height of goofiness. Use some common sense, please.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:06 PM
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5. The US has been an ally of Georgia for a long time - so why *wouldn't* the Russians expect it?
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #2
6. "U.S.-Georgia training begins amid Russia strain"...
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:10 PM
Response to Reply #2
7. I think you underestimate what a black hearted thug Putin is...n/t
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:15 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. And good ol' "Pooty Poot" is none too happy with The Chimperor
I new Bush's stupidity with The Dark Prince was a serious, deadly mistake. Ugh!
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:17 PM
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12. That explains why Bush could so easily see into his soul. n/t
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:47 PM
Response to Reply #12
25. Why Russia’s response to Georgia was right
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Truth4Justice Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #7
21. What does "puty-puke" think * is going to do if he goes Nuke on a carrier group? Adios, Moscow!
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 07:44 AM
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69. I think Pooty-poot likes his odds against G.W. shrub...
I think Pooty has got nerves of steel and isn't afraid to piss a few people off, or kill a few thousand off to make his point. G.W. shrub is just stupid, ignorant, greedy and insane enough to push this thing with him.
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Truth4Justice Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 05:02 AM
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62. You are assuming some have forgotten the hostage situtation when Putin gassed 300 to their deaths?
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:10 PM
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8. So sorry to inconvenience you.
Edited on Wed Aug-13-08 07:13 PM by TheWatcher
I know you guys hate it when someone interrupts your Olympic Shiny or Scandals.

Please, by all means, get back to The Matrix. It's so jarring when someone rocks the boat with this kind of kookery, and I completely understand. You're an American, and you shouldn't have to deal with reality, only the perception of reality which makes you comfortable and able to deal and cope. You shouldn't have to put up with it.

I suppose some posters just can't seem to grasp that only accepted, comfortable paradigms can be expressed and presented. They just can't get the fact that nothing exists, nothing is real, and that only things that make us feel good and feel comfortable can possibly be accepted as reality.

Don't you worry, I'll make sure he gets dealt with.

:sarcasm:
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DarthDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 05:38 AM
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67. Bzzzt

I'm boycotting the Olympics because they're being hosted by a regime that represses its people. Please don't confuse people who know better than to start waving the specter of war with Russia over every little flashpoint with people who want to get back to The Matrix - - whatever the heck that means. Thanks!
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:18 PM
Response to Reply #2
13. Common sense says...
The Bush Crime Family will strike any region that has an oil well or pipeline. Guess what?

Goofiness my lily white ass.
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 12:27 AM
Response to Reply #2
57. As a former defense analyst
who specialized in analysis of Soviet strategic and tactical doctrine, I am certain that Russian military and political leadership had some plan for dealing with that contingency. To suspect otherwise is a product of historical ignorance or naivety.

The Russians are not fools. Of course they anticipated and planned for such a possibility. This does not mean the Russians are vile or evil. It just means they are not stupid.

Wanna play a nice game of chess? For money? I have bills to pay.
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Truth4Justice Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 04:36 AM
Response to Reply #57
60. No one really thinks the Russians are stupid, but nations and people make mistakes, no matter what..
Edited on Thu Aug-14-08 04:38 AM by Truth4Justice
Hitler met his Waterloo by invading Russia and other fronts WAY too soon and thus ended Nazi Germany in 1945.
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DarthDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 05:36 AM
Response to Reply #57
66. If You Insist
Edited on Thu Aug-14-08 05:41 AM by DarthDem
I'm at borderline master level. Let me know when we can set this up. Oh, on second thought, I'd better not take your money. Back to your analysis. :-)
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:17 PM
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11. and NOW we send CONDI to that region? oh fucking shit.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #11
14. She seemed a tad unhinged about it yesterday...
I took that to mean there were no good shoe stores there.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:21 PM
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15. What oh what shall I wear to the war?....n/t
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Truth4Justice Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:42 PM
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24. Poor Condi. She might have a rough time buying a 300 dollar pair of shoes. Oh, the horror of it all!
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:21 PM
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16. Yeah, that's the worst thing you could possibly do.
When they sent her to Israel/Palestine in 06, she said they weren't issuing firm declarations for peace because that 'wouldn't be a real peace'. The woman is like a match to fireworks.
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Truth4Justice Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:49 PM
Response to Reply #16
26. Condi Rice: anouther of team *'s incompetant "professional" know-nothing, do nothings.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #11
17. Not to mention Lieberman and Lindsey Graham.
Just because I survived Cold War I doesn't mean I shouldn't be very afraid of Cold War II.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:28 PM
Response to Reply #11
18. Yeah. I'm looking at our bench and I'm not seeing John F. Kennedy....
or even Adlai Stevenson for that matter.

:scared:
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #11
48. Yeah. We'll be at Defcon 1 by Friday.
:scared:
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #48
50. I keep waiting for it to get better, and it just gets worse....
Now I get the feeling that Bush is trying to save face...

:scared:
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:54 PM
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52. jd..things will get better!
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Truth4Justice Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 05:06 AM
Response to Reply #52
63. Yes, they always do after hundreds or thousands are dead. nt
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galileoreloaded Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:53 PM
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51. Not just Condi to the region, and this is more about Iran anyway...
Don't know how you feel about the website GlobalResearch and the Middle East Times but...

We are undoubtedly going to Iran, as a matter of fact as I type this, the boats are a floatin' along with the French and Brits. In my estimation, Georgia was about letting us know that the Bears' still got it, and are just as fierce as ever. This will escalate, as any Iranian blockade will escalate rapidly, and the Russians are flexing to show us "the error of our ways" because they need the kind of strategic partnership with Iran that we have with the Saudi's.

HEADLINE(from UPI) MUST READ SEVERAL CBGroups w/ expeditionary force contingients STEAMING FOR GULF.

Analysis: Is war in the (Gulf) air?
http://www.metimes.com/Security/2008/08/11/analysis_is_war_in_the_gulf_air/ca8a/

AND THIS IS THE REAL REASON WHY. THE IRANIAN RELUCTANCE TO USE PETRO DOLLARS AND BANK WHERE WE CAN GET AT IT.

HEADLINE

Iran in new oil money move to dodge sanctions: report
http://www.metimes.com/Politics/2008/08/09/iran_in_new_oil_money_move_to_dodge_sanctions_report/afp/

And here is the reaction

From GlobalResearch/ME Times

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9815

These are interesting times!?!?


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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:32 PM
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20. And that fuckup's name is John Bomb-Bomb McCain
e-i-e-i-o !!!
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:37 PM
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22. and it's in the hands of the worlds biggest fuckup
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:53 PM
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27. This post deserves more than "9 Votes." What's up with that?
:shrug: Seems DU has become the "dead." Can't even post up something that isn't either Obama or Paris Hilton. :puke:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #27
33. No it doesn't, because of response #1.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:12 PM
Response to Reply #33
34. So, the Cuban Missile Crisis was just another day in the Cold War....
Right?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #34
38. An excellent example of every word in the sentence making sense....
but the sentence itself it utterly devoid of meaning.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:24 PM
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40. Try this:
It's true we've always been subject to an accidental nuclear launch by one side or the other, but there's only been a few times when tensions have mounted to where all it takes is one misstep to bring us to war. The Cuban Missile Crisis. The Berlin Airlift.

This is another one of those times.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:25 PM
Response to Reply #40
41. Grats on achieving meaningfulness!
Next step: to say something that isn't just plain silly.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #41
43. Ahh...I get it...you're just slinging abuse...
Why didn't you just say so.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:30 PM
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44. Nah. I'm rejecting the intellectual abuse of the idea that Russia attacking Georgia....
is anywhere near the danger level of the Cuban Missile Crisis.
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fed_up_mother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:33 PM
Original message
Because of the poster's utter brilliance
and our stupidity, I suppose.


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Truth4Justice Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 04:48 AM
Response to Reply #34
61. Pretty much. Since that time nuclear war doesnt bother or effect me one bit. Live free or die!
Edited on Thu Aug-14-08 04:51 AM by Truth4Justice
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fed_up_mother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:31 PM
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45. Apparently, you don't get the point that a fuck up is a MISTAKE
And that you think we live in a world where people never make them. At any point along the way, a "mistake" could have happened. A mistake could have led to a nuke getting into a nutjob's hands, for one instance.

I mean...it was just a mistake that all those nukes ended up in Louisiana.

:crazy:
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:01 PM
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28. FYI: Here's the briefing from National Security Adviser Ambassador Jim Jeffrey...
...

In terms of how we've responded to this, the President was informed immediately on Friday, when we received news of the first two SS-21 Russian missile launchers into Georgian territory. He immediately -- this was at the Great Hall -- he immediately met with President Putin. They had a discussion. The President then engaged with his national security staff continuously over the last two days. He has spoken with -- again with Putin that evening. He then talked with President Medvedev yesterday evening, as well as President Saakashvili. Secretary Rice has spoken repeatedly with President Saakashvili, as well as with her Russian counterpart, Foreign Minister Lavrov, and many European leaders.

...

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/press-briefing-press-secretary-dana/story.aspx?guid=%7B6C07094D-D668-43FD-8353-7D1155B78BFB%7D&dist=hppr

So as soon as the SS-21s were discovered, news goes straight to Bush (and presumably Cheney) who immediately confronts Putin.

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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:03 PM
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29. Yes, and electing John "Bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran" McCain will be the fuck-up to do it.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:04 PM
Response to Reply #29
31. I see a commercial with a little girl counting daisy petals...
:evilgrin:
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. Actually I think this would be a more appropriate campaign ad:


Just paste McCain's face over Peter Sellers and that's what it will look like.
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:13 PM
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35. FYI, that's the actor Slim Pickens, not Peter Sellers.
He was playing several roles in the movie, but not that one.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:17 PM
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36. Slims last words.... "YEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAA
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Truth4Justice Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 05:18 AM
Response to Reply #36
64. Damn straight! Ride em', Cowboy. Yee-haw!
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:18 PM
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37. They wanted Sellers to play that role....
...

Ultimately, Peter Sellers played three of the four roles initially written for him. At the start of production, it was expected that he would also play the role of Air Force Major T. J. "King" Kong, the B-52 Stratofortress aircraft commander, but from the beginning, Sellers was reluctant to do so. He felt his workload was too heavy, and he was concerned that he would not be able to reproduce the Texan accent required for the character of Kong. Kubrick pleaded with him, and asked screenwriter Terry Southern (who had been raised in Texas) to record a tape with Kong's lines spoken in the correct accent. Using Southern's tape, Sellers managed to get the accent right, and started shooting the scenes in the airplane. However, Sellers sprained an ankle and could not play the role, as technical constraints would have confined him to the cramped space of the cockpit set.<7><8><9>

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Strangelove_or:_How_I_Learned_to_Stop_Worrying_and_Love_the_Bomb
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Truth4Justice Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 05:29 AM
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65. Sellers was correct. A great actor but as a Texan? No way. Dont forget those bodily fluids! LOL !!!
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:23 PM
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39. Oh yeah that's right.
Brain fart. I spent all day on U$ Airways... had that picture in my head the entire time. :evilgrin:
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:38 PM
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49. That's Slim Pickens riding the nuke; not Sellers.
Sellers had several roles in the film:
Group Captain Lionel Mandrake / President Merkin Muffley / Dr. Strangelove
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:25 PM
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42. And the Regime has five more months in offisce
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:33 PM
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46. Another military man in the Nuke chain removed on Monday
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Snarkoleptic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:57 PM
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53. We are One Fuck-up Away from WWIII...
Unfortunately, we've got 2 on our hands...
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 09:00 PM
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54. If McSame steals this, I wouldn't bet a nickle on a Nuclear Free 2012...
:scared:
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 12:15 AM
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56. It won't be a mistake, it will be intentional.
I'd call it something other than a fuck-up. That's like saying that the Holocaust was a fuck-up.

These monsters WANT to nuke somebody. They want it bad.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 05:44 AM
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68. That's bad news because we have no shortage of fuck-ups.
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