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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 01:18 PM Original message |
San Francisco Ponders: Could Bike Lanes Cause Pollution? |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
1. "Cars will always vastly outnumber bikes." Hmmm... |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
2. I guess one determined asshole |
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Throd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 01:33 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Welcome to modern America n/t |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
3. Montana has bike lanes, I think that they are great. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
5. While I agree when it comes to "diamond lanes," I don't for bicycle lanes. |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
6. This crank is sure garnering a lot of attention |
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AZ Criminal JD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
7. Good for him |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Bicyclists are Elitists? |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. No, he's right - about some cyclists. There are plenty who really are elitists |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Cyclists have to obey traffic laws like everyone else |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Yes, as a committed utility cyclist I'm well aware. I've also can't |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 03:46 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. Well, sure |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. I agree with you, of course! My response to your earlier post was only because it |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. How does someone who seems to ride an expensive bike become an elitist? |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. You have it backwards. It's the elitists who make sure they have expensive everything |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Owning expensive things can be a demonstration of a viewpoint |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. You're STILL getting it backwards! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 04:50 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Well, no. Sometimes those things come from hard work, bean. |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 04:54 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Are you making a joke and I'm just too dull-witted to get it? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. No, I am giving you a counter example. n/t |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 05:08 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. I find it very hard to talk about something with someone who resolutely ignores what I actually |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 05:11 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. But you cannot prove that elitists who own bikes own expensive bikes. |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 05:26 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Why don't you ask tkmorris whether I'm trying to do anything of the kind? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 05:39 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. I haven't accused you of anything, bean, just pointed out |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 05:50 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Did the same bellow, he got extremely defensive |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 05:51 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. My syllogism is not flawed. See whether you can get someone who actually understands logic |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 05:57 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Okay. Maybe I should do that. |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. No, it's not the bike that makes them "elitist" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. bean and I have gone around before and I suspect, at cross purposes. |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. Oh I agree wholeheartedly |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 04:37 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. I ride an expensive bike |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. I bought a bike last winter and my puppy promptly ate |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 05:21 PM Response to Reply #30 |
40. On the bright side your puppy is over that stage |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 05:44 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. I used to call my George and Gracie my paper shredders. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 05:51 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Birds, they have a hell of a personality, don't they? |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. All humans are mortal, Nadin, but Felix being mortal doesn't mean Felix is human |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 05:08 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Do all elitists own expensive bikes? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 05:25 PM Response to Reply #32 |
42. Terrible exercise in logic |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 05:30 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Why don't you ask tkmorris or someone else who understands logic |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 05:36 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. I understand logic... thank you |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 05:47 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. You obviously do not understand logic, and it is not a strawman. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 05:49 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. If you say so... by the way, using the logic you used... I can call you an elitist too |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 05:53 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. You think so? Try. Lay it out as a syllogism. You'll flop. But don't take my word for it, |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
10. Perhaps this dunderhead would prefer to live here in Honolulu |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 03:00 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. in chicago, the joggers & rollerbladers feel entitled to the lakefront bike lanes... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #10 |
26. It is hawaii bra... and there is no public transport on the rest of the Islands |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
14. there is no question that on rural roads bicyclists create an increase |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Which is why bike lanes or trails are needed |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. Depends on your definition of "need" |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Funny, you just made the case of WHY you need those lanes |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #14 |
34. Yeah, but if you had one person riding a car (speeding and slowing down) |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
15. Demanding a critical analysis of a government plan? |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
16. This is a prime example of a person with waaaaaaaaay to much time on his hands. nt |
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taterguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
41. You left out the best part of the article |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #41 |
56. No, actually he's right - some do ride for political reasons. |
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DustyJoe (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-21-08 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
46. Burrito Power |
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