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AllexxisF1 Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 05:36 PM
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Will Someone Tell That 911 Truth Guy To STFU On MSNBC.
Jesus H. Fucking Christ.

Yes we know 9-11 was an inside job now SHUT THE FUCK UP.


MSNBC is not getting bad ratings because of their in fighting, they are getting it because of asshole protesters on megaphones trying to drown them out behind them. Do they honestly think anyone is willing to hear their point of view acting like the most ANNOYING ASSHOLES ON THE PLANET.

By all means March, protest but not on network tv during the DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION.

Urghhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SOMEONE SHUT THAT ASSHOLE UP.
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 05:37 PM
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1. It's Ron Paul / conspiracy fanboi Alex Jones
and yes he does need to shut up
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 05:49 PM
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12. is it alex jones? I was wondering and yes, he's obnoxious! nt
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GOPNotForMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:00 PM
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20. Oh God, gross! That guy is a total nutcase.
Is he talking about 9/11 or Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands and her plan to merge her body with a supercomputer? He is SO INSANE.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 05:37 PM
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2. Actually you are wrong there
how else do you want any and all protestors to get their message OUT?

How many demos have been covered?
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karlschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 05:41 PM
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8. It's a little like pissing into the wind. It gives one a sense of endeavor but the results
are less than desirable.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 05:43 PM
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10. At least after a stunt like this your piss tells you something happened
Edited on Thu Aug-28-08 05:43 PM by sfexpat2000
which is a lot more than any effect from talking to your "representative".
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 05:49 PM
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13. 'xactly... in this environment the only way to get any national exposure
is to do things like this.

Agree or disagree the media is NOT covering any of these things

And right now the critics KNOW who these guys are... so mission accomplished

And until we get real access... that is what we have left

The criticism tells me more about the state of the nation

Yeah sure, go ahead and protest, but do not inconvenience me!

It is always about ME, not WE
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 05:55 PM
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16. I wonder if MSNBC slobs would shut up if the IVAW played taps...
that was the plan for yesterday evening, to assuage the cops, but I'd still like to hear it in the background on these cable comedies.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:00 PM
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21. One more critical question... would they recognize TAPS?
I don't think most people in this country do any longer
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:00 PM
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22. People still believe they are represented.
They still think there is a venue for protest.

How frightening is that?

:shrug:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:18 PM
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34. Quiet, that is why if this election is again stolen I expect American Idol to heat up
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:26 PM
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39. PM me your bookie's number.
:rofl:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:27 PM
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Myself....
:-)

Just random observations. I mean people actually complain that they are inconvenienced?

You tell me


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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:27 PM
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41. Myself....
:-)

Just random observations. I mean people actually complain that they are inconvenienced?

You tell me


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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:31 PM
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43. I used to produce public events. Not huge but in the hundreds.
I sweated every detail. This guy would have had to deal with me personally, me and my brass knuckles.

But, after a while, it's just unreasonable to think that people won't try to find any way they can to speak up when all legitimate venues have been shut down.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:32 PM
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45. Yep, and that is the point those complaining are missing
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 07:35 PM
Response to Reply #34
79. There's another bunch of whack jobs...
Those who think the election was rigged... sheesh... let's try and make them all feel stupid so they will stfu!

:sarcasm:
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 07:48 PM
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85. So John Kerry's Wife is now a Whack Job?
Because at the convention she plainly stated both the 2000 and 2004 elections were stolen.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 07:53 PM
Response to Reply #85
90. According to some, absolutely....
The they should shut up because it troubles my precious mind school of thought

:sarcasm:
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 10:50 AM
Response to Reply #85
105. Did you notice the sarcasm at all?
If I believed that anyone claiming elections have been stollen are whack jobs, then I'm clearly one as well.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:50 PM
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101. Couldn't agree with you more. The truth is what will set this country & it's people free.
Edited on Thu Aug-28-08 08:51 PM by TheGoldenRule
Because the powers that be are working overtime to take everyone's freedoms away ALL because of the MIHOP or LIHOP of 911
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:14 PM
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30. Rather. n/t
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 05:38 PM
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3. I think they should have Olbermann do it
Olbermann would make them feel an inch tall.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 05:38 PM
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4. I'm shocked he hasn't been assaulted yet
What an obnoxious prick he is.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 05:56 PM
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17. I'm not shocked he hasn't been assaulted. This isn't the GOP convention. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:04 PM
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24. He doesn't need to be assaulted.
We'll take care of that in the privacy of our own minds.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 05:39 PM
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5. Please -- before the poster breaks a nail!
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karlschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 05:39 PM
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6. Exactly! The most incompetent bungling bunch of morons in US history
Edited on Thu Aug-28-08 05:40 PM by karlschneider
pulled off the biggest conspiracy and inside job ever attempted without a hitch or one single defection! It almost defies belief!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 05:51 PM
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14. As I have said before, if you think they did it, you have a point
it requires over 100,000 people... (low balling it actually)

If you let it happen... you can keep the full info in at most ten folks.

That my dear, is doable and just as criminal
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:02 PM
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23. Setting LIHOP and MIHOP aside, did it take 100,000 people to bring down the towers?
Where does that figure come from?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:17 PM
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33. For the make it happen conspiracy to work
You need demolition crews who use explosives to prepare the buildings. There are five companies in the country that specialize in that, and I guess you could use military personnel. The time frame though requires people

You also have the witnesses, from the people who sell the specialized equipment to the ahem, witnesses... including people working at the towers

You also need little worker bees to keep al the paperwork moving from agency to agency and making sure that things are ignored

Oh and the worst of the conspiracy also requires four drones and you need to disappear four full planes with passenger and crew, which is your most man intensive part of the operation...

Regardless as you increase the number of folks, you increase your risk of somebody putting the pieces of puzzles together, or mostly together, and babbling.

That is why any mission critical operation has very few people, and even fewer that KNOW all the pieces


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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:56 PM
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68. But the OCT says that planes brought down the towers
Setting it up so that those planes could be hijacked and hit the towers would still constitute MIHOP.

Anyway, WTC7 was "pulled."
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 07:30 PM
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76. Rubbish.
Anyway, WTC7 was "pulled.ri"

A conspiracy too immense. Total rubbish. WTC7 was in the midst of the WTC1 debris field. Tons of steel fell into the face of WTC7. This all as been totally debunked so many times, but the unsinkable rubber duckies (USD's) still spew the "WTC7 was pulled" crap. NO on site witnesses say that it was demolition but the USD's continuing their spewage.

There's just not one shred of evidence for it.
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karlschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:05 PM
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25. I have no problem with questioning many aspects of the events that day
but I draw the sanity line at the point where it is suggested by some screwballs that WTC buildings were brought down by controlled demolition, there wasn't really a plane hitting the pentagon or one didn't crash in Pennsylvania...that kind of goofy shit. And I realize this doesn't belong in GD but I didn't really start it. :D
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:20 PM
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36. That goofy shit requires way too many people to pull off
that is the first sign that it really does not work

And you know what? IT DOES BELONG in GD.

Why?

As long as we want to discount things like this (and this is as higly unlikely as they come) we are also willing to discount things like Operation Northwoods (for which there is an actual paper trail), or discount the horrors perpetrated in our name in places like Central America twenty years ago, or right now in the ME.

It allows for the myth that somehow we are better to cotinue
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:52 PM
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62. And then there was Operation Gladio


The Strategy of Tension

SNIP

The “strategy of tension” denotes a highly secretive series of interconnected covert operations conducted jointly by the CIA and MI6 largely in Western Europe during the this period. Well-documented by several respected historians, confirmed by official inquiries, and corroborated by former intelligence officials, the “strategy of tension” is one of those unsavoury moments in contemporary history that we don’t learn about in school, or even university.

My favourite book on the subject, and the most authoritative in my view, is Dr. Daniele Ganser’s NATO’s Secret Armies: Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe (2004). Published in the UK as part of the “Contemporary Security Studies” series of London-based academic press Routledge, Ganser’s study is the first major historical work to bring the “strategy of tension” into the mainstream of scholarship.

During the Cold War, indeed through to the late 1980s, the United States, United Kingdom, and Western European governments and secret services, participated in a sophisticated NATO-backed operation to engineer terrorist attacks inside Western Europe, to be blamed on the Soviet Union. The objective was to galvanize public opinion against leftwing policies and parties, and ultimately to mobilize popular support for purportedly anti-Soviet policies at home and abroad – most of which were really designed to legitimize brutal military interventions against nationalist independence movements in the “Third World”.

SNIP


The existence of this secret operation exploded into public controversy when in August 1990 upon the admissions in parliament by Italian Prime Minister Giulio Andreotti, the existence of ‘Gladio’ was exposed as a secret sub-section of Italian military-intelligence services, responsible for domestic bombings blamed on Italian Communists. Ganser documents in intricate detail how a subversive network created by elements of western intelligence services – particularly that of the US and UK - orchestrated devastating waves of terrorist attacks blamed on the Soviet Union, not only in Italy, but also in Spain, Germany, France, Turkey, Greece, i.e. throughout western Europe. Despite a number of European parliamentary inquiries; an European Union resolution on the Gladio phenomenon; NATO’s close-doors admissions to European ambassadors; confirmations of the international operation from senior CIA officials; and other damning documentary evidence; NATO, the CIA and MI6 have together consistently declined to release their secret files on the matter.

http://nafeez.blogspot.com/2007/05/strategy-of-tension.html



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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:55 PM
Response to Reply #62
66. Thanks, more to read I guess
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:46 PM
Response to Reply #6
99. I don't belief 9/11 was an 'inside job', but I resent your simplistic characterization of Bush & Co
They are NOT incompetent. People who STILL think they are 'just incompetent', are at least 4 years behind. Wake up! Bush and Co. got everything they wanted. How incompetent is that?
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 05:39 PM
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7. Watch CSPAN. No commercials, no pundits. Just coverage of the convention.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 07:38 PM
Response to Reply #7
82. I'll never pay a cable company again
I only watch PBS anyway... except for the DNC, etc.

Too bad the rest of us have to suffer... CSPAN should be available to all Americans!
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 05:43 PM
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9. I'd pay good money to see someone deck him and put that megaphone where
the sun don't shine.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 05:54 PM
Response to Reply #9
15. Why? He is inconveniencing you and MSNBC?
Damn this is what demos used to do, inconvenience people
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:16 PM
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31. Yeah, I don't pay my cable bill to hear Alex Jones being a jerkoff. NT
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:33 PM
Response to Reply #31
46. Change the channel, CSPAN is running a wonderful coverage
sans alex jones

By the way... here is the question you should ask... WHY?

If he had a better venue you think he'd use this one?

Free clue, this is WHAT REAL DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:35 PM
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48. I have been watching c-span, too. Would you like Alex Jones to come into your
theater and begin doing that? Is that his right?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:38 PM
Response to Reply #48
50. It is the NATIONAL theater... that he is interrupting
what he is doing goes back to the soap box in front of Buckingham Palace

Irritating, yes... but this is part of the tapestry of life

And you have a right to change the channel. And remember THEY parked their open air studio near the protestors
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:41 PM
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51. Cool. Let him go out to Hyde Park (that's where you meant, right?) and we can
be free to either listen to or ignore him as we choose. We don't owe him the airwaves. Somehow I think that MSNBC was there before Jones showed up.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #51
53. What part of MSNBC parked their studio near the free speech zone
are you missing? We have had protests (and trains) all along
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:45 PM
Response to Reply #53
54. Wow, even before the convention started? Because that's when the networks
got there.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:46 PM
Response to Reply #54
55. Yes, they were designated by the PD BEFORE the convention started
is this your first day watching this?

We've had train whistles. we've had the impeach bush crowed, Veterans Against the war... top three I remember, in the last few days

Oh and some intramural fights between the hosts as well

If it gets to be too much, just turn to CSPAN
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:48 PM
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No, it's not my first day watching.
So if Alex Jones wanted to bring his bullhorn outside your window at 3AM you'd defend his right to do so?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:50 PM
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60. Look you are trying to confuse things
what part of he is IN A FREE SPEECH ZONE are you purposely MISSING?

By the way this is the kind of thought that is killing this country...


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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:54 PM
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65. There is a point where one's free speech starts to impinge on the rights of others.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #65
70. THEY PARKED THEIR OPEN AIR STUDIO BY A DESIGNATED FREE SPEECH ZONE
now I can bet they will not do that during the GOP convention...
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 07:31 PM
Response to Reply #65
77. You don't seem to get it. The beauty of our Constitution is that it protects the rights of the few
over the tyranny of the majority.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 07:41 PM
Response to Reply #77
83. WE may want to make a scene like that someday...
When we're called conspiracy theorists for insisting our elections have been stollen. I hope no one tries to get us to stuf then!
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #83
86. Thank you!
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:04 PM
Response to Reply #83
91. You guys ever hear of Mario Savio? The Yippies? That was my background.
I'm no stranger to demonstrations or civil disobedience.

But if Alex Jones thinks that drowning out MSNBC through a bullhorn is going to make anyone listen and consider his message, he's a bigger fool than I thought he was.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #91
92. then stop your bellyaching and let him make a fool of himself
this is easy.

But let the man speak, if NBC is silly enough to put their stage by a designated free speech zone, it was their issue

Now ask yourself, why did NBC did that?


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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #92
93. Obviously, they put it there because they knew Alex Jones would show up
with a bullhorn.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #93
95. Close, they put it there to ensure some ahem action... any action would be good
recreate 68 and op chaos has not really panned out
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 10:51 AM
Response to Reply #91
106. He was in the designated area for protesters...
WTF do you want him to do?
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:48 PM
Response to Reply #65
100. Your posts on this thread are utter & total hogwash. I guess you want the Constitution shredded too.
:eyes:
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #65
104. Are you serious? At a friggin' Free Speech Zone?
Matthews has been interviewing fucking McCain supporters and all sorts of hysterical right-wing riff raff at that spot, all afternoon...there because they were designated that area to voice their opinions of the events in Denver this week. They even had some fool with a hideous dead man on a cross, praying that American women will be forced to going back to being breeders! You think that a big mouth with a bullhorn in the background infringes on someone's rights?

What sort of "civil disobedience" background could you come from, if you think raising hell at that "cage" shouldn't even be allowed?
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:54 PM
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64. Answer this honestly:
Would you feel the same if someone went with a bullhorn to MSNBC and started shouting "Obama is a Muslim! Obama is a Muslim! Obama is a Muslim!" over and over again? Or "Abortion is murder! Abortion is murder! Abortion is murder!"?

Advertisers know that HOW you deliver a message plays a huge role in whether or not your target audience responds. Too bad this guy doesn't.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:58 PM
Response to Reply #64
69. They have.... early in the morning broadcast they even had fundies
going accept Jesus as your savior and one of them had a nice large sign with scripture.

And yes... I would

I hate nazi speech... for example, but realize that in this country they have a right to exercise it... and damn it I will fight to help then keep it.

Now as to marketing, you've got a point... but I have a question for you...

Why the free speech zones and why are people getting their panties in a wad over this? It is very telling actually

Free speech, as long as it does not inconvenience me, or I don't disagree
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #69
75. One of the principles of speech is to ALLOW others to speak as well.
Basically, I can't hear a damn thing either one of them are saying. How does that accomplish anyone's goal? All it really does is make me turn away.

You can be sure of one thing, for MSNBC, this outdoor experiment is over.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 07:50 PM
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88. You are preaching to the choir
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sandyj999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 05:45 PM
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11. Damn he is so irritating!
Someone should shove that bullhorn up his..................

I think the suggestion of telling him to say his piece and STFU Is a great idea! :banghead:
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Boxerfan Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 05:57 PM
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18. Get some electric razors & get as close to his feed as you can-
Nothing but buzzin goin on.
It will work with any unshielded electric motor but thats most handy.

He really needs to STFU & I'm TOTALLY MihoP...He's giving us a bad name. Ammo to call me a conspiracy nutjob basically.

I've been hoping his power source would die-Damn ENERGIZER BUNNY!!
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 05:59 PM
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19. What do you want to bet they don't go with the outdoor set..
in MN? If they do, I think we should set up a DU chain to scream Bush and Cheney are war criminals into megaphones 24/7.
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lifesbeautifulmagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:05 PM
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26. no kidding he should shut up
i can't even hear what they are saying on air america.
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gi4obama Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:05 PM
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27. I have a cattle prod they can use. n/t
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The Liberal Thinker Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:11 PM
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28. 9/11 was not an inside job.
You can't simultaneously recognize the incompetence of this administration to do anything worthwhile and then say they're competent enough to pull off the largest terrorist attack in all of history.

So yeah, I agree, shut the 9/11 truther up, but only because he makes me want to push nails through my eyes listening to him.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:14 PM
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29. Yeah! Let's shut up people who annoy us! That's liberal!
:woohoo:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:17 PM
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32. I have no problem letting them talk
As long as it's on a deserted street corner in a Ghost Town.

NOT on a national network with millions of viewers.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:23 PM
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37. There you go. They can talk as long as nobody hears them.
:wtf:

We had these people out to our events, too. And they were annoying as hell. But you know what, that was their right. To be annoying as hell.

We have to do a big fucking reality check when our impulse is to shut people up so thoughtlessly.

The more our government is unresponsive to people, the more this will happen. So, as long as we blame this annoying guy and not the government that is dead to him, the more this will happen.

God bless America.

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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:34 PM
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47. So you think people like Jones have a place in the national discourse?
They might make interesting human interest pieces, but to waste prime national TV time on them seems irresponsible to me.

Could be that I'm used to my CBC. Jones wouldn't get 5 seconds of coverage with that kind of credibility.

Just because someone has a POV doesn't mean they deserve to be heard in a high profile show.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:36 PM
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49. Actually I don't think you'd have a 9.11 in Canada
since your Intel Service would have ahem ACTED.

:-)

And yes this rabble has a right to speak out goes all the way back to the mother country... what he is doing is the equivalent of standing on his soap box in front of Buckingham Palace.

This goes back a LONG time in Anglo American Nations... I mean the tradition
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:48 PM
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56. If you did a poll on 9/11 right now on this board, asking people if 9/11 was an inside job, was it
allowed to happen, or none of the above, you would find the a large percentage of DUers believe in either an inside job or that it was allowed to happen. I've seen those polls on this board and it will amaze you. Unfortunately, 9/11 topics go very quickly to the dungeon so they get very little exposure.

Personally I believe it was an inside job. Look up Operation Northwoods.
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The Liberal Thinker Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:19 PM
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35. Well, find another platform for your rantings, don't interrupt some guys newscast.
I also find the 9/11 Truth movement a self-righteous attack on reason itself, so forgive me when I say they get under my skin.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:25 PM
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38. We can't let dissent interrupt our consumption, can we?
Especially dissent we don't disagree with.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:30 PM
Response to Reply #35
42. You know I find NAZIs even more annoying, as well as holocaust deniers
but I want them to be able to do this... every day of the week and twice on Sunday

What part of the first amendment are you missing?
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #35
44. this is what democracy looks like
the 'noise' represents a lot of things, but something is rotten in Rome these days.
Behold the sound of the rabble...
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:42 PM
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52. There is a little thing known as free speech and no matter how hard Denver is trying to shut it down
by establishing "free speech zones", I am delighted that at least the area by Matthews isn't being closed off to those choosing to express themselves. Freedom of Speech is for everyone, even if you don't like what you're hearing.

It appears you're not such A Liberal Thinker after all......
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:49 PM
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59. I've been watching that one for some time
Edited on Thu Aug-28-08 06:54 PM by TheWatcher
Out of 113 Posts he has yet to post anything that would resemble his user name.

Just another concerned poster, bathed in delusions of cleverness.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:53 PM
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63. agreed
I think it's great!


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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:27 PM
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40. Still here babbling your "Concern" I see.
What I find so amusing is that you actually think you have fooled one single soul on this Forum.

However, you do get the prize for biggest Oxymoron for a user name EVER. :hi:
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karlschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:48 PM
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57. Actually the far more amusing notion is that Bushco could've ever had the smarts
to pull something like that off deliberately. P. T. Barnum sure nailed it there...
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:49 PM
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58. ...and to keep it a secret for seven years, too! NT
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karlschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:55 PM
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67. And not one single deathbed confession or pang of guilt leading to public disclosure.
It's a MIRAKUL, I tells ya! :silly:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 07:02 PM
Response to Reply #67
72. If you let it happen and the people in the know are bush, chenney
Wolfie, SecDef, perhaps Feith... it is damn easy to keep it secret

And that is the point people are also missing... let it happen is very easy to keep under wraps...
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 09:01 PM
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102. Do you even realize what * & Co is capable of? Genocide in Iraq, drowning people in NOLA,
Edited on Thu Aug-28-08 09:28 PM by TheGoldenRule
stealing TWO elections and on and on and on and on?!

Get a fucking clue. Bush Co will do and have done WHATEVER it takes to achieve their goals.
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:30 PM
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96. Yeah-but their story is it was done by Muslim radicals...
and they had no hint. In spite of documented, multiple warnings. And people who doubt government involvement insist that planes alone COULD have caused the damage. So if you insist that MIHOP was impossible than you are forced to admit that LIHOP was possible, as you have admitted planes alone could have caused this.

And if you insist that MIHOP was impossible, and that also the highest command of the US could not squelch the coordinated development of information that would have revealed the plot (LIHOP) without huge numbers of people being involved consider this-the information was available to only 4-5 US agencies and from several foreign intelligence agencies all of which was fed upward to an even smaller number of top federal (executive) officials...

In short-no information could move laterally unless 5 guys said so and if their 2-3 bosses (Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld) said no then NO information could be exchanged. See-no 100,000 people here-just three.

When you actually check the information available it is both voluminous and damning-but only if you had all of it. When you tie it to the activities that occurred that day including Air Force exercises simulating aircraft hijackings that confused air tracking radars and past exercises that simulated aircraft being used to attack both the towers (That no one could have imagined they would use aircraft as missiles to destroy) and the Pentagon the truth becomes clear-that either Osama Bin Laden is the luckiest son of a bitch on the planet (other than the 4 pilots who learned to fly, but not land commercial aircraft in the US on visas without drawing any interest but for a few FBI reports that have gone largely unnoticed) winning the equivalent of three out of four national lotteries on the same day!!!

In summary, to deny both MIHOP and LIHOP is to believe that Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld have not even one filthy secret they have hidden from us...the old adage is that three can keep a secret, so long as two are dead-these three can because the truth could mean a sentence of death for all three.
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 09:15 PM
Response to Reply #28
103. By what standard do you consider them incompetent?
From where I'm sitting, they're succeeding beyond even their own wildest dreams. No doubt Bushie himself is a complete idiot, a total incompetent and more like a cartoon character than a human.

But the people who pull his strings are a clever, conniving bunch of sociopaths and misanthropes. They understand how to plan, execute and manage the aftermath of cataclysmic events. And how to take advantage of their own ministry of propaganda -- mislabeled as "TV news" -- to manipulate the public into drawing the approved conclusions and producing the correct emotional response.

With all the scam's complex elements in place and functioning as planned and the people parroting every single official lie they've been fed a thousand times a day, they then used the whole contrived masterpiece of bullshit to divert attention from their real objective -- robbing the country blind. The Bush international crime syndicate has been in overdrive ever since, having the time of their miserable lives robbing the poor and rewarding the rich.

And in stark tribute to the density of the average American skull, a large percentage of the public still believes the Bushies are doing everything possible to keep them safe from the murdering evildoers who hate America because we can buy houses and shop til we drop. The rest think they're too stupid to know up from down unless they drop a car battery to see if it breaks a toe or a cranial bone.

Either way -- heroic warriors working tirelessly to prevent the next attack by the evildoers, or clowns so dumb that a collective IQ in double digits would be a significant step up -- the slime buckets skate again.

These are not the results you'd expect from an operation planned and carried out by incompetents. Nobody's going to get busted, much less convicted, for any of their crimes. Nobody's going to have any money problems for the rest of their lives. Nobody's going to shoot them because they'll be surrounded by hired Blackwater mercenaries who will take a bullet for money. So it looks like they're in pretty good shape, considering their role in "the events of 9/11"(tm) and the international crime wave they launched immediately after.

Here's the opening paragraphs from an article I wrote a while ago on this very subject:

9/11 and the incompetence excuse: Could a bunch of sociopathic screw-ups really pull off the crime of the century?

Many who deny government complicity in 9/11/01 maintain that some of the best evidence against official involvement in the crime of the century lies in the Bush administration's unbroken record of sheer incompetence, an argument bolstered by the perception that key members of the administration, notably The Commander Guy, spent that entire day running around like headless chickens.

On the contrary, they did no such thing. Rather, the administration was highly competent and enormously successful that day -- they just had different criteria for success than would sane people. And they've been highly competent ever since. You just have to adjust your standards for evaluating success, then view the past six years through the PNAC/neocon lens.


Still sounds about right to me. There's nothing the murdering bastards have done since to change my mind.


wp
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:52 PM
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61. Those Lunatic Freaks Can Definitely Get Annoying. I Don't Know Why They're Not Institutionalized.
Bunch of looney tooneys.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #61
78. Yep, just like those nutjobs that keep screaming about...
votes being stollen and shit.

Just stfu fcol! We should just call them all stupid so they will shut up...

And that lame ass Copernicus and his round Earth theory... surely he is on crack.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 07:36 PM
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80. You're equating Alex Jones and Copernicus? Now I've heard everything.
:rofl:
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 07:45 PM
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84. They laughed at Copernicus just like that!
Thanks for proving my point;)

No one knows what the real story is, so anything goes at this point.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 07:48 PM
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87. You realize that science was just a bit less advanced back then, right?
Communication wasn't very good, either.

:rofl:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 07:51 PM
Response to Reply #87
89. You realize his book was not published UNTIL HE DIED?
You tell me why.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 07:02 PM
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71. 9/11 Truthers Suck...9/11 Liars RULE...
Edited on Thu Aug-28-08 07:04 PM by Junkdrawer
Office fires brought down a skyscraper...

Flight Simulator CAN teach you to fly commercial airliners...

NORAD can't scramble jets within an hour....

The Pentagon has no defenses....

Rah Team...


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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 07:04 PM
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73. The best move is to...
...completely ignore the moonbats that will always be present in any crowd of sufficient size.
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ba5500 Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 07:13 PM
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74. RE:
What fools
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 07:36 PM
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81. No one should be told to shut the fuck up
Unless they are disrupting a funeral, or yelling outside my bedroom window at 3am. Otherwise, I don't want to tell anyone to stfu, because it could be US screaming something that no one else wants to believe... and them telling us to STFU!

If you want someone to stfu, you have to be willing to do it yourself.

I'm not.
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Snarkturian Clone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #81
94. Shut the fuck up.
Made you look!! :bounce:
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The Gunslinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:33 PM
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97. dude's a nutcase but he's got the right..
the first amendment isn't just for folks who agree with you at the time and place of your choosing.
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:43 PM
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98. Where is Bill Maher to kick some ass when you need him?
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