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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:12 PM
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Anyone watching 60 Minutes?
Edited on Sun Mar-11-07 06:22 PM by CatWoman
They are revisiting the Anthrax scare(s).

I hope Hatfill sues the hell out of the government :grr:
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:14 PM
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1. i can't wait to watch that. A few years Vanity Fair did an excellent piece on him
kind of left you with more questions than answers but really well done.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:15 PM
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2. I just went looking for a thread here.
Of COURSE they were planting "evidence". The reporters need to come clean on their "sources."
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:15 PM
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3. Name those leakers, indict the bastards... NT
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:18 PM
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5. Expose all these LIES. So Hatfield "puffed" his resume. Goddammit. Cold case.
Move along folks.
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:16 PM
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4.  Hi Cat......Am watching.....he was teaching at LSU here,
so the local media had a field day. I always felt he was set up....but am not sure by whom. Thoughts?
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:21 PM
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7. look at this way
just follow the leakers..................

who was leaking furiously? "our" government :grr:
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:30 PM
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12. Do you seriously think the government sent anthrax
to the different places it ended up? You're gonna have to explain that one to me. Who, specifically in the govt? I understand what the purpose would be, but "the government" is a large umbrella there, friend. I am ready to be edumacated.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:36 PM
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13. well, during that time, Bush was in power grab overdrive
look at who received Anthrax - DEMOCRATS.

not one Republican.

Also numberous members of the media.

The Republicans were fear mongering like never before.

As to "who", I really can't say.

That's like asking who, specifically, was behind the attacks on Amb. Wilson and his wife.

We know it originated from Cheney's office.

Cheney's office is part of the goverment.
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:48 PM
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19. I understand what you are saying, dear heart, but
we could lay almost everything bad in America at the doorstep of bush/cheney.....I just need convincing that either of them was personally involved. I still think it was someone with a more private agenda, rather than a government-sponsored conspiracy to kill Democrats and media. But, I am NOT saying you are wrong....I just don't see it.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:51 PM
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20. see Rainy's response below
as well as Chimpsrsmarter's response.

And connect the dots.

Who had something to gain by doing this?

some asshole practical joker?

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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:41 PM
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15. it's generally know here that the bush junta was trying to pass the patriot act
Sen. Daschle was against it until he got the anthrax scare. The journalist that died in florida had printed an article about the twins after being warned not to. Look, they killed wellstone, what would they not do?
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:19 PM
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6. A minor correction. That's "Hatfill". Hatfield
as in JH Hatfield is dearly departed.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:21 PM
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8. thanks for the correction, HD
:hi:
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:23 PM
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9. Ah yes, yst another screwup of the Shrub admin!
I really feel bad for Hatfield. A lie on a resume? How many of US are guilty of "puffing" our resume? I never downright lied, but I sure put things in there that would lead people to think I had more education than I did.

Maybe I shouldn't feel too bad for the guy, because he appears to at least be surviving. If the same thing had happened to me, I'd beat the soup kitchen!

It still sounds like an unreasonable attack on ONE GUY!
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:27 PM
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11. Here's more info. They know exactly who did it.

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j022202.html

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WHERE THE ANTHRAX TRAILS LEADS

Rosenberg believes that the poison-pen missive was written by the real perpetrator of the anthrax attacks, who sought to ride the wave of anti-Arab, anti-Muslim hysteria that swept the nation after 9/11. This also fits the pattern of masquerade that characterizes the anthrax letters to NBC, Daschle, Leahy, et al, with their anti-Israel, pro-Muslim slogans neatly printed in block letters. Indeed, the one thread that seems to run throughout this story is anti-Arab animus, as the astonishing – and truly frightening – story of what happened at Ft. Detrick in the early 1990s makes all too clear….

IT CAME FROM FT. DETRICK

Things were turning up missing at AMRIID, and Lt. Col. Michael Langford was baffled. He suspected that someone was tampering with records, perhaps in order to conduct unauthorized research. He told a lab technician to "make a list of everything that was missing," and "it turned out that there was quite a bit of stuff that was unaccounted for," 27 sets of specimens, including anthrax, hanta virus, simian AIDS virus "and two that were labeled 'unknown' – an Army euphemism for classified research whose subject was secret," as this chilling Hartford Courant story by Jack Dolan and Dave Altimari puts it. One set of specimens has since been found: the rest are still missing….

CAUGHT ON TAPE

An investigation was launched that exposed the shockingly lax security measures at the lab, and raised the possibility that some specimens may never have been entered in lab records. Also uncovered was a tape from a surveillance camera showing the entry of an unauthorized person into the lab, at 8:40, on January 23, 1992, let in by Dr. Marian Rippy, lab pathologist. The night visitor was Lt. Col. Philip Zack, a former employee who had left as a result of a dispute with the lab over his alleged harassment of Dr. Assaad. The Courant reports:

"Zack left Fort Detrick in December 1991, after a controversy over allegations of unprofessional behavior by Zack, Rippy, Brown and others who worked in the pathology division. They had formed a clique that was accused of harassing the Egyptian-born Assaad, who later sued the Army, claiming discrimination."

THE KAMEL KLUB KIDS

According to Assaad, in the week before Easter 1991, he found a poem in his mailbox, described in another Courant story:

"The poem, which became a court exhibit, has 235 lines, many of them lewd, mocking Assaad. The poem also refers to another creation of the scientists who wrote it — a rubber camel outfitted with sexually explicit appendages. The poem reads: 'In (Assaad's) honor we created this beast; it represents life lower than yeast.' The camel, it notes, each week will be given 'to who did the least.' The poem also doubles as an ode to each of the participants who adorned the camel, who number at least six and referred to themselves as 'the camel club.' Two — Dr. Philip Zack and Dr. Marian Rippy — voluntarily left Fort Detrick soon after Assaad brought the poem to the attention of supervisors."

Charming, eh? This kind of organized harassment has an ideological edge to it not completely attributable to personal antipathy, and seems politically inspired, a possibility that is intriguing given the political repercussions of the anthrax scare.

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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:37 PM
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14. as I said
"our" government.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 07:10 PM
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24. You're saying the anthrax letters were hatered of muslims?
I suspect someone inside the gov't but it appears more political to me than racial or religions. From the very brginning, it found it quite interesting that the only people who received these letters were either Dems orassociated with criticism like the guy at the mewspaper in Fl. I think the poor people in the PO were just innocent bystanders.

I really don't see any association with muslims or egypt.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 07:20 PM
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25. No. If you read the article
it points a finger at 2 people who are believed to have sent the letter to the Egyption-born Asaad. Here's some more...and remember, this is reporting from 2002. I'm going to look for more recent stuff, to see if Raimonda has come up with some new conclusions. But it's interesting to read this stuff from closer to when it happened. I also posted a timeline downthread.

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There is an ominous and telling parallel with the 9/11 investigation here: that's another instance in which the authorities are being extra careful not to dig too deeply, at least in public. For the anthrax sub-plot was almost like an afterthought to the main mystery of 9/11: how did an underground terrorist network manage to operate in the US for as long as five years, and perhaps more, without being detected by law enforcement agencies? Multiple agencies of government were laden with multi-billion dollar budgets earmarked for "anti-terrorist" activities, yet they knew nothing of this operation, had not even a hint. The CIA and other intelligence agencies aren't to blame, says CIA director George Tenant, who testified before Congress that "intelligence will never give you 100 percent predictive capability."

Yeah, but how about 50 percent, or 30 percent? Perhaps even as much as 10 percent intelligence might have changed the course of events, and prevented or at least ameliorated the biggest terrorist attack in US history. At any rate, the investigation isn't going anywhere, no doubt for the same reasons the FBI refuses to move on the anthrax case: too much embarrassing and potentially explosive information could get out, exposing the US government – or, perhaps, one of its closest allies – as criminally negligent or even complicit in the attacks.

A DOMESTIC OPERATION?

Evidence that Saddam Hussein was the mastermind behind the anthrax attacks has failed to materialize: the evidence, and official suspicions, all point to a domestic operation. But that doesn't rule out an overseas connection. Iraq isn't the only foreign intelligence service that has the resources, methods, and most importantly the motive to pull off a stunt clearly designed to spread fear throughout the land – and provoke a violent American military response. The mystery, to this day, remains unsolved – and, if you don't believe that, then you'd better pay a visit to the Office of Strategic Influence. I'm sure they'd be more than glad to straighten you out….
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:25 PM
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10. What a sad story about Iraqi translators being denied immigration to the USA.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:42 PM
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16. that was sad
reminded me how we left the Iraqis twist in the wind right after Gulf War One.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:43 PM
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17. Not just translators. Well trained (in munitions, IEDs, etc), pissed off (at America), killers. n/t
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:43 PM
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18. I'm going to watch this. I wonder if they will mention Hatfill's link to
David Kay?

Google "David Kay+Hatfill" for a weird ride down conspiracy theory lane.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 07:01 PM
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23. Here's a good timeline refresher:
http://911review.org/Wget/www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/AAanthrax.html

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July 27, 2000: The FDA endorses the use of Bayer's Cipro drug to prevent inhalation anthrax. Perhaps they hadn't been reading the Sunday Times recently (see May 14, 2000)? An official recommendation like this is highly unusual for the FDA. A 1997 Pentagon study of anthrax in rhesus monkeys showed that several other drugs were as effective as Cipro. The reason given for only recommending Cipro was the government wanted a weapon against anthrax should they come up against a strain resistant to drugs in the penicillin and tetracycline families of antibiotics. The pharmaceutical industry spent $177 million on lobbying in 1999 and 2000 - more money than any other industry. The FDA has been accused of conflict of interest with companies including Bayer.

January 21, 2001:�George Bush Jr. is inaugurated as the 43rd US President, replacing Clinton.�The only major figure to permanently remain in office is CIA Director Tenet, appointed in 1997 and reputedly a long time friend of Bush Sr.�FBI Director Louis Freeh stays on until June 2001.

August 2001 (H): Future anthrax suspect Steven Hatfill's high level Department of Defense security clearance is revoked. He is working at a private company at the time, but no explanation is given to his employers.

September 4, 2001 (approx.): On approximately this date, a "weird love letter to Jennifer Lopez" is sent to The Sun, a tabloid with offices in Florida. "But inside the oddly-worded letter was what was described as a 'soapy, powdery substance' and in the pile of that a cheap Star of David charm." The letter was handled both by Ernesto Blanco, who contacted anthrax, and Bob Stevens, who died of anthrax. The letter was thrown away, so it's not known if it contained anthrax. Could the letter have been part of a pre-9/11 series of anthrax attacks reported by the New York Post (see before September 11, 2001)? The only specific target mentioned by the Post was Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly. Bob Stevens was admitted to a hospital on October 2; the period between anthrax exposure and symptoms can be up to eight weeks. The anthrax attacks targeted media outlets, sending both real and hoax letters. Could this have been part of that series? Newsweek also reports a Middle Eastern intern working at the Sun that summer left a curious farewell e-mail.

before September 11, 2001: In a story seemingly unreported anywhere else, the New York Post later claims that a series of hoax anthrax letters is sent out from Indianapolis, Indiana, at some point not long before 9/11. The FBI allowed the Post to see copies of these letters, which had handwriting and other features remarkably similar to the later letters containing real anthrax.

September 11, 2001 (G):The 9/11 attack: four planes are hijacked, two crash into the WTC, one into the Pentagon, and one crashes into the Pennsylvania countryside. At least 3,000 people are killed.�A more detailed timeline focusing on the hours of this attack appears on a separate page.

September 11, 2001 (Y):�Some White House personnel, including Vice President Cheney's staff, are given Cipro, the anti-anthrax drug, and told to take it regularly on the evening after the attacks. Judicial Watch later sues the Bush Administration to release documents showing who knew what and when, and why Presidential staff were protected while Senators, Congresspeople and others were not. FTW

September 18, 2001:�The first anthrax letters are mailed out, two days after the anti-terrorism bill Patriot Act is first proposed.�But the anthrax crisis won't begin until October 4 with the first confirmed sickness. With only one week between 9/11 and the first mailing, doesn't it seem likely planning for the anthrax attacks began before 9/11 (see also before September 11, 2001)?

October 1, 2001 (B): The New York Times notes the "stepped up warnings on the spread of chemical and biological weapons" based on a number of statements from officials in the past few days. White House chief of staff Andrew Card: "I'm not trying to be an alarmist, but we know that these terrorist organizations, like al-Qaeda, run by Osama bin Laden and others, have probably found the means to use biological or chemical warfare." Representative Henry J. Hyde (R) says biological weapons "scare" him more than nuclear weapons because they can be brought into the country "rather easily." Rumsfeld, Ashcroft and others give similar warnings. Just three days later, anthrax attacks become big news (see October 4, 2001).

October 2, 2001:�Days before the anthrax attacks begin, a strange letter is sent to a researcher in Fort Detrick, Maryland (USAMRIID).�The letter is addressed to Dr. Ayaad Assaad, a Muslim anthrax researcher who was born in Egypt.�The unsigned letter calls Assaad a "'potential terrorist,' with a grudge against the United States and the knowledge to wage biological warfare against his adopted country."�This is the latest in a series of attacks against Assaad, which include anonymous long hateful poems about him in the early 1990s.�Assaad was laid off in 1997.�The author of the letter says he is a former colleague of Assaad.�The letter seems like a not-very-subtle attempt to frame Assaad for the anthrax attacks about to come.�The letter strongly suggests the attacks could have been by someone at USAMRIID with a long time grudge against Assaad.� Anthrax suspect Philip Zack later emerges as one (but not the only) coworker with such a grudge (see January 20, 2002).

October 2, 2001 (B):�The "anti-terrorism" Patriot Act is introduced in Congress, but is not well received by all. �One day later, Senate Majority Leader and future anthrax target Tom Daschle (D) says he doubts the Senate will take up this bill in the one week timetable the administration wants.�As head of the Senate, Daschle has great power to block or slow passage of the bill.�Attorney General Ashcroft accuses Senate Democrats of dragging their feet.� On October 4,�Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman and future anthrax target Patrick Leahy (D) accuses the Bush administration of reneging on an agreement on the anti-terrorist bill. Leahy is in a key position to block or slow the bill.�Some warn that "lawmakers are overlooking constitutional flaws in their rush to meet the administration's timetable."�Two days later, Ashcroft complains about "the rather slow pace�over his request for law enforcement powers� Hard feelings remain." The anthrax letters to Daschle and Leahy are sent out on October 9 and difficulties in passing the Act continue (see October 9, 2001). Could Daschle and Leahy have been targeted by some person or entity who wanted to see the Patriot Act pass?

October 4, 2001:�The first case of anthrax infection, in Florida, appears in the media.�Letters containing anthrax continue to be received until October 19.�After many false alarms, it turns out that only four letters contain real anthrax.�They are sent to NBC, New York Post, Democratic Senator Daschle and Democratic Senator Leahy.�There are a number of hoax letters however, likely sent by the same person to all the recipients of the real anthrax letters, plus to CBS, Fox News, New York Times, and the St. Petersberg Times.�Eleven people are infected, five people die.

October 9, 2001:�Senator Feingold (D) blocks an attempt to rush the USA Patriot Act to a vote with little debate and no opportunity for amendments. Feingold criticizes the bill as a threat to liberty.� One day earlier, in the story "Cracks in Bipartisanship Start to Show," the Washington Post reports, "Congress has lost some of the shock-induced unity with which it first responded to the <9/11> attacks." �Also on October 9, identical anthrax letters are postmarked in Trenton, New Jersey, with lethal doses to Senators Daschle and Leahy.�Inside both letters are the words: "Death to America, Death to Israel, Allah is Great" (see October 15, 2001). �

October 10-11, 2001:�The FBI allows the original batch of the Ames strain of anthrax to be destroyed, making tracing the anthrax type more difficult.Suspicions that the anthrax used in the letters was the Ames strain are confirmed on October 17.� What possible excuse can the FBI have for allowing this destruction, especially when the Ames strain was already suspected?

October 14, 2001 (B): Investigators of the anthrax attacks believe Iraq is the prime suspect. One CIA source says, "They aren't making this stuff in caves in Afghanistan. 'This is prima facie evidence of the involvement of a state intelligence agency. Maybe Iran has the capability. But it doesn't look likely politically. That leaves Iraq." However, this theory lasts only a few days. On October 20, the International Herald Tribune reports a new theory: "A disgruntled employee of a domestic laboratory that uses anthrax carried out the attacks." It also states investigators "have tentatively concluded that is a domestic strain that bears no resemblance to strains that Russia and Iraq have turned into biological weapons." However, in late 2002 with war against Iraq growing increasingly likely, the Iraq theory appears to make a comeback (see October 28, 2002).

October 15, 2001:Senator Daschle's office opens the letter mailed October 9, containing a lethal dose of anthrax. Senator Leahy's similar letter is misrouted to Virginia on October 12, and isn't discovered until November 17.�

October 15, 2001 (B):�The BBC says "Bush has pointed the finger at Osama bin Laden" for the anthrax attacks. Bush states, "There may be some possible link. We have no hard data yet, but it's clear that Mr. Bin Laden is an evil man."�

October 16-17, 2001:�28 congressional staffers test positive for anthrax. The Senate office buildings are shut down, followed by the House of Representatives.�

October 18, 2001: Canada overrides Bayer's patent for Cipro and orders a million tablets of a generic version from another company. The US says it is not considering a similar move. Patent lawyers and politicians state that adjusting Bayer's patent to allow other companies to produce Cipro is perfectly legal and necessary. The New York Times notes that the White House seems "so avidly to be siding with the rights of drug companies to make profits rather than with consumers worried about their access to the antibiotic Cipro," and points out huge recent contributions by Bayer to Republicans.

October 21, 2001:The Bayer Corporation, holders of the US patent on the anthrax antibiotic Cipro, agrees with the US to reduce the price of Cipro in the US from $1.83 to 95 cents.�Analysts say the price reduction will reduce Bayer's profit margin from 95% to 65%. This reduction applies only to sales to the US government, not sales to the public. Bayer has allowed no other companies to produce or import Cipro into the US.�Other countries with less stringent patent laws sell Cipro for 1/30th the US price, and have offered to import large quantities into the US. Nevertheless, a class action suit by over one million Americans has been filed against Bayer and two other companies, alleging that Bayer has paid $200 million to two competitors to not make generic versions of Cipro. The profits from Cipro are considered a "lifesaver" for Bayer, which had been considering pulling out of pharmaceuticals altogether.

October 23, 2001: The New York Times reports that health officials and experts believe numerous other drugs are as effective as Cipro in combating anthrax. "Several generic antibiotics, including doxycycline, a kind of tetracycline, and various penicillins, are also effective against the disease," and they all are in plentiful supply. A 1997 Pentagon study of anthrax in rhesus monkeys showed the other drugs to be equally effective. But Cipro remains the only drug officially recommended by the FDA (see July 27, 2000).

October 24, 2001:�The House of Representatives passes the final version of the Patriot Act and other previously unpopular Bush projects: Alaska oil drilling, $25 billion in tax cuts for corporations, taps into Social Security funds and cuts in education.ï¿ Republican Congressman Ron Paul states: "It's my understanding the bill wasn't printed before the vote - at least I couldn't get it.�They played all kinds of games, kept the House in session all night, and it was a very complicated bill.�Maybe a handful of staffers actually read it, but the bill definitely was not available to members before the vote."�It is later found that only two copies of the bill were made available in the hours before its passage, and most House members admit they voted for the Act without actually reading it first.� Two days later, the Senate passes the final version of the Patriot Act. Anthrax targets Senators Daschle and Leahy now support the bill. Bush signs it into law the same day (see October 26, 2001). Were the anthrax attacks a deliberate plot to help pass the Patriot Act, and whip up public support?

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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:56 PM
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21. Well, I don't get it, but yall have at it !!
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:58 PM
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22. I fail to understand just what it is you don't "get"
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