DeFazio says the crises is being manufactured in the White House

[seemslikeadream]

on Hartman

[spanone]

1. i put NOTHING past these bastards

[niyad]

2. wouldn't surprise me in the least

[sandnsea]

3. DeFazio pandering to his rural hick voters

I cannot even believe it. He usually only does this on guns and logging.

[movonne]

4. How about you are crazy...DeFazio is one of the best congressmen

ever...I would believe him on most anything...he is my congressman..

[sandnsea]

And, you like the clear cuts too? n/t

[Poll_Blind]

6. I can't believe you would know anything about DeFazio- and make a comment like that.

:wtf:

PB

[sandnsea]

9. He's my Congressman, are you kidding me?

You don't know the reason they're whacking trees down like toothpicks in my district is because he voted for Healthy Forests to pander to the loggers?

[Blecht]

17. Did you ever try writing him with your concerns?

I'm a former constituent of his ... I was pissed about one of his votes, and I sent him a long, nasty email. He took the time to personally reply to me with a long, polite, and detailed explanation.

Like any politician, there will be things about him you detest. But think of the alternative. He's a good Representative. He will listen to you. He might have to listen to loggers more, but he will listen to you.

[sandnsea]

22. Which has what to do with shitty votes that he makes

He still makes them to pander to the fringe in this district, and this was one of them.

[Blecht]

25. Let him know how pissed you are

He needs your support as well as the fringe's to stay in office. Tell him what you've posted here -- he will read it.

[sandnsea]

26. I've called him nearly every day

during this credit mess. I've written him before and received good responses. I support him 90% of the time.

If he continues to undermine the Democratic Presidential candidate - I won't vote for him again. He doesn't need my vote to win. He wins this district in a landslide.

[nancyr]

8. What a nasty comment.

I am also one of his "hick" consituents, and I don't see him as pandering. Geez.

[sandnsea]

10. You like the looks of the clear cuts? n/t

[seemslikeadream]

I'm a hick too

:shrug:

[sandnsea]

23. Hicks, anarchists, Ron Paul lovers

The fringe in his district that are the cause of his most outrageous votes.

[depakid]

45. There were Ron Paul signs all over your neck of the woods about a month ago!

[sandnsea]

48. Not *my* neck

But Reedsport east and south, yep, lots of them. We're just starting to get a few McCain signs, makes me sad. I was hoping to go through the whole election and not see any of them.

[depakid]

49. I've only seen one McCain sign- in Ashland

and we travelled almost the entire state this summer. Still haven't seen any around Washington county- which is very odd.

Not one single bumpersticker, either.

btw: your observations about DeFazio are spot on. Between the far left in Eugene an the whack Libertarians in the more rural areas of the district, I would have been surprised if he signed on to any workable plan that has a chance of passing.

[sandnsea]

52. It had been that way until last week

Now the diehard business owners are putting up a few. And I saw a few in an upscale community when I was canvassing last week-end. Maybe 5 all together. I drove to Coos Bay today, I might have seen one or two McCain signs, but significantly less Obama signs too. Except for there's a huge one in Winchester Bay, which is very cool. But it definitely is an interesting district with all kinds of communities and political views.

[eugeneliberal]

54. Me too

[Gregorian]

30. I understand. But DeFazio is fantastic!

No, I just left Coquille where I had an absolutely idyllic farm. I was there for only two years. Just long enough to sell it and get the hell out. If anyone saw the clearcuts it was me. I spent every day on a mountain bike riding those mountains. I'm still angry as hell. But there are a multitude of different types there. Even in Coquille. I am still shocked that Oregon is blue after having lived there.

Yeah, I'm upset. But DeFazio was a great senator. He opposed the war.

I know how you feel.

I am recently becoming aware that there are an array of different reasons people are republicans. I used to think it was simple. Not any more. Some are just stupid. Some are just evil. Some are making their husband right.

Anyways it would be nice if the real world were just a little bit more like DU. Oh well.

[sandnsea]

32. Well he isn't saying this is a scam

He's saying it's more a paper problem than a liquidity problem. Maybe people misunderstood him. He is usually a great Congressman, but when he isn't, it's usually because of his rural voters of whom you appear to know intimately. We almost moved to Coquille, I'm so glad we didn't. :hi:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

34. The rural hick voters of the 4th congressional district?

You're funny.

[sandnsea]

37. You obviously don't live here n/t

[dhpgetsit]

35. I can't believe how many Dems support this bail-out

It's written for and by the people responsible for the problem.
Written right into it is lack of oversight and accountability.

Do you have any idea what 770 billion (likely to go over a trillion) can do?
I stand with DeFazio and Kucinich on this one all the way!

[sandnsea]

38. It eases an immediate problem

You couldn't rewrite every mortgage in America fast enough to fix the balance sheets. We could have fixed this last year, except half of DU was pissed that homeowners were going to get rewarded for bad behavior. That's why there hasn't been more help with these mortgages to begin with.

[PsN2Wind]

44. Eugene, Oregon people are now "rural hicks"?

[moodforaday]

46. "Rural hick voters"

listen to Thom Hartmann? At least keep your pigeonholing straight...

[rainy]

5. Its the october surprise, anything that happens this close to an

election you can believe it is manufactured.

[RainDog]

11. I think this is the Oct. surprise too

and even tho I DO think we have a real financial crisis - but this isn't new - BushCo was happy to let it happen until doing something would benefit them and the 5% that is Bush's real base.

Paulson and Bush, as Pelosi noted, worked on their crony "bail out" crap for months and expected to present it to Congress and force them to pass it because of this crisis. This is how BushCo and his repuke Congress have operated for the last 8 years on every issue.

I am thrilled that they did not get away with this shit yet again.

The democrats can create a proposal that is not another looting of the treasury for BushCo and all democrats will vote for it - when it includes accountability and regulation for those who have screwed up this economy.

[peacetalksforall]

28. Absolutely. These people are really stupid, but they are smart at conniving.

They failed in Iraq, but are still torturing and manage to keep it out of the press.

They did also manage to cover up the put options of 9-11.

They are the grandest living thieves of lives, heritage, peace, money, savings, benefits that help the communities, elections.

They will get caught.

[Poll_Blind]

7. Got a link for streaming? I'd love to listen in...

PB

[seemslikeadream]

12. Yes you can listen to it anytime here

http://www.thomhartmann.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=280&Itemid=105

[seemslikeadream]

15. oops got to be signed up but you can listen here at 2pm ct today

http://www.wcpt820.com/programming/hartmann.html

Defazio was on right after Reed in the first hour

[cui bono]

13. Yeah, and he said that they're denying payroll credit in order to make it hit Main St.

so that when it does the people will demand a bailout of Wall St.

He said they're having a press conference at 3:00. I would guess that's DC time and I don't know who "they" are that are having it.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

18. Yes, it's just like Daddy Bush called up National Guard units from rural areas

to fight the Gulf War, so that small town Main Street would have local troops to support. (I saw that happen, because I was living in a small town at the time.)

[cui bono]

21. Interesting. I always heard that about rural troops but without a reason associated.

[chill_wind]

14. Shhh. Don't tell Pelosi or Reid. n/t

[leftofthedial]

16. we are in the beginnings of a bad recession (thanks to repukes)

the neocons are using that fact to implement another round of fear mongering in hopes that people will allow them to steal another trillion dollars before they leave the country in December.

Bailout or no bailout, we are in for a long economic struggle.

the bailout is just a scam the cabal are using to try to steal money. It won't change anything about the coming recession, except to perhaps delay it for the very short term and make it worse.

[L. Coyote]

19. Like D'oh! Not to mention, the financial meltdown is caused by the White House.

[OutNow]

20. I'm another DeFazio hick

I don't mind being called a hick if that's what it takes to stop the bailout ripoff. Defazio is right and has a long history to back it up. It was a joy to listen to two educated progressives like Hartman and DeFazio discuss the White House / Wall Street contrived "Crisis" this morning.

Not this time Bush. No more EMERGENCY EMERGENCY have to pass the Patriot Act, have to invade Iraq, have to eliminate habeas corpus, have to bail out Wall Street. Not this time.

[sandnsea]

24. Like he was right about Healthy Forests?

He can make his objections to this bill without calling the current crisis a scam, because it's not.

[Hannah Bell]

27. oh, but it is.

[nolabels]

29. I know he must be correct because i use my republican congress critter like a weathervane

For every vote he casts, he goes exactly the opposite way that would be good for the majority of our district. His yes vote told me everything i needed to know

[nadinbrzezinski]

He is a low information congressman, and he is wrong on this

this crisis has been building up for a year or so... and if anything the house of cards was being held in place and they were crossing fingers that it would not crash on their watch

By the way... given some of the floor speeches yesterday and the night before yesterday... he (and others) had not read the bill either

:banghead:

I know, bush is the president who cried wolf... sadly this particular wolf has been prowling around the edges for a year or so

[Geek_Girl]

47. For someone so smart why do you always have duplicate posts?

Figure out how to use your browser or at the very least delete your dupes.

[Pastiche423]

56. WTF?

A low information congressman?

You are incredibly WRONG. Just because you don't like what he says you smear him w/idiocy?

Pete DeFazio has been my rep for eight years. I have followed him the entire time. I have a file on his votes, his quarterly newsletters and his hard copies of emails, which is 1 1/2" thick. I have attended every townhall meeting he's given and spoken w/him privately on numerous occasions. I believe I know him a wee bit better than you.

There is nothing "low information" about him!

Your spamming this board for the past few days, calling anyone that din't agree w/you uninformed has become stale and tiring.

I agree w/Peter 100%. I posted pretty much the same thing two days ago.

This "bailout" is a final, manufactured FUCK YOU to every taxpayer in this country as the * cabal exits OUR White House, leaving the incoming president the impossible task of cleaning up their steaming pile of crap.

Saying you agree w/* tells me everything I need to know about you and it ain't pretty.

[nadinbrzezinski]

He is a low information congressman, and he is wrong on this

this crisis has been building up for a year or so... and if anything the house of cards was being held in place and they were crossing fingers that it would not crash on their watch

By the way... given some of the floor speeches yesterday and the night before yesterday... he (and others) had not read the bill either

:banghead:

I know, bush is the president who cried wolf... sadly this particular wolf has been prowling around the edges for a year or so

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. He is a low information congressman, and he is wrong on this

this crisis has been building up for a year or so... and if anything the house of cards was being held in place and they were crossing fingers that it would not crash on their watch

By the way... given some of the floor speeches yesterday and the night before yesterday... he (and others) had not read the bill either

:banghead:

I know, bush is the president who cried wolf... sadly this particular wolf has been prowling around the edges for a year or so

[sandnsea]

33. He's a brilliant Congressman, just wrong on this

Although he did have some things right in his proposal, like taxing investors and strengthening regulations. It just isn't the right time to address all of that. Put out the fire, then prevent them in the future.

[dhpgetsit]

36. You don't fight fire by throwing cash on it

You have to have a smart solution.

[sandnsea]

42. Selling accounts receivable

Is a perfectly reasonable means to improve cash flow and credit rating.

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. Exactly, he is just wrong on this

that said, the right gave the left an opening in the renegotiations... why I sent a series of suggestions last night, including hard core new deal legislation

I want more of a pound of flesh than what the bill currently has from the markets

[nadinbrzezinski]

40. Exactly, he is just wrong on this

that said, the right gave the left an opening in the renegotiations... why I sent a series of suggestions last night, including hard core new deal legislation

I want more of a pound of flesh than what the bill currently has from the markets

[judasdisney]

41. Vanity Fair report -- Conspiracy alert: Markets are being sabotaged

in the markets, and Bear Stearns was murdered via secret means.

http://ftrsupplemental.blogspot.com/2008/08/bringing-down-bear-stearns.html

http://ftrsummary.blogspot.com/2008/09/ftr-641-were-we-controlled-part-ii.html

Don't tell Hartmann. He's a spook.

[sandnsea]

43. Terrorists did it

I already heard.

:eyes:

[seemslikeadream]

50. Thank you oh so very much judasdisney

I always like hearing from you

[burythehatchet]

51. Angela Merkel just put it 35 MM Euros for a bank.

[bdamomma]

53. along with all the other crises they put on us.

of course they manufactured it, they did for the Iraqi invasion, so I wouldn't put anything pass them. sprinting to the finish line huh george?

[PufPuf23]

55. The Timing Indicates DeFazio is Correct

The repeal of bank holding company provissions of Glass-Steagall and the growth of the derivative markets are the root of the problem.

Rural people are not necessarily "hicks" nor ignorant.