Update, Stuck in Fundie hell part 2

[MichaelHarris]

From Day 2, Stuck in Fundie hell

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4207211

Well I got the shots, I risked life and limb. I heard banjos and shit, I saw a man abuse his wife, I quivered in my boots. I do hope it was worth it:





I seem to see a fundie deviation here, some sort of fundie Jesus meltdown. Jesus is Satin's son? What kind of new age fundie am I up against? Can I fight it? Will I find it's weakness?

I asked around and think I found the cause. Based on numerous stories from around town this guy was in Nam and did a bunch of pot. It must have been some bad-ass stuff because he came back all, well, let's just say funny in the head. He married the richest girl in town and a few months later brought home this fine hippy chick and told his wife, "I found someone to share our marriage with".

She wasn't all that hip to the gig and tossed his ass out. He bummed around town during the 70s running the river, panhandling, smoking that Agent Orange pot until he saw his future. He saw an article how he could not pay taxes if he called himself a church. Low and behold he found Yahweh, whoever the crap that is. Don't much matter cuz it got him tax breaks since the mid 70s.

They say he rides his horse every morning to the breakfast place right by my cabin. I'm going to try and meet him. He has this long, long flowing Moses beard, or ZZ Top, depending how you look at it.

On edit: Homey has a website: http://eliyahsmessage.com/

Look for part three: Trapped Inside Fundie Hell When all I Wanted to do was catch a Trout!

[silverojo]

1. I can't believe people haven't gone after him

Calling Jesus Satan's son?!?!?!? Be VERY careful when approaching this guy...!

[MichaelHarris]

3. everyone said

he's crazy as a loon, rides into town every day on a big black horse with his flowing beard. Hope he don't go all Chuck Heston on me.

[Warpy]

2. Whoa! Spot the loony!

Best thing I can say is that all his lunacy is spelled correctly.

What's really sad is that he's probably saner than most of the folks in Palin's church. I've known snake handlers and they were, too.

[Usrename]

21. So, is it YAHWEH or YAHUWEH?

I think I also see a YAHWWEH.

:shrug:

[Mrs. Ted Nancy]

4. Yahweh = Lord Elohim = God

Have you seen these folks? They seem interesting. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wroj0FLvzs

[Warpy]

23. Also interesting

"Elohim" is godS, PLURAL.

Just a bit of trivia from Genesis, the first bit of poetry before the clumsily written Adam & Eve part specified "the Elohim" instead of just the one sky/war god.

[liberalpress]

28. Actually

it was meant to address the many natures of God, Creaor, Protector, etc

[Warpy]

31. SURE it was

or they just cribbed it from the polytheistic Sumerians.

[14thColony]

32. But there are also instances of God using 'we' in Genesis

which is likewise found in the original texts. So it appears there are three possible explanations:

1. God has multiple personality disorder, since He actually carries on conversations with His 'many natures,' or
2. Genesis retains echoes of the Hebrews' polytheistic past, or
3. Genesis was plagiarized from some other polytheistic civilization

[liberalpress]

36. Not a Biblical scholer, but..

..as I interpret that, The Word (jesus) was with God from the beginning. Hence the "we".

As usual I may be wrong.

[14thColony]

37. Nor am I, although I was raised a hard core fundamentalist

fundamentlist religious private schools and all. And I find that in the fundy movement there's a lot of 'explanation after the fact' about uncomfortable parts of the Bible. "The Bible should be taken 100 percent literally except for this part here, where God really meant to say..."

I've heard "The Word" explanation before for the anomolous first person plural God uses in Genesis, but it smacks of more 'after the fact' hypothesizing to explain away what is otherwise an embarrasingly hard to explain passage. Obviously Genesis was written centuries before the revelation of "The Word" and the introduction of the concept of the Trinity in the New Testament, and Old Testament prophets made much hay about the God of Israel being a single, unitary being, as contrasted with the polytheism of many of their enemies. So it seems hard to believe that they secretly viewed God as multi-beinged, yet only alluded to this in Genesis, and nowhere else.

I suppose without a time machine we will never no for sure, but it's clear from other research that early Israelite theology was heavily influenced by the early empires who were their neighbors, especially the Assyrians, Babylonians, and Persians.

[liberalpress]

44. BTW

Thank you. This is the most intelligent discussion in this area I've ever had on this board.

[14thColony]

45. You're quite welcome

Religion and linguistics are two particularly 'high interest' areas for me.

[SpiralHawk]

41. Indeed, these so-called Christians are pantheistic

if they are into the plural Elohim.

Jehovah is just one of the many Elohim.

Deal with it, you mortals, you.

[april]

49. god help us

[Suich]

5. I can't wait for Part Three!

Thanks for the laugh!

:rofl:

[MichaelHarris]

6. I've been to some freaky places

but without a doubt this has to be the freakiest. I also found out the population is around 50 with 5 of them being on a sex offenders list. That makes the score: 1 crazy-ass fundie, 49 republicans who are church goers with five of them wanting to diddle me.

[timtom]

16. I wish I could join you in your merriment...

but these folk are way out beyond Jim Jones and Father Divine.

They make David Koresh look like Dagwood Bumstead.

Solid lunatic stuff. And a bit scary, too.

[2speak]

7. Did you see a still nearby?

[MichaelHarris]

8. no

but I thought I may try and get some of that Agent Orange pot off of him.

[MichaelHarris]

9. no

but I thought I may try and get some of that Agent Orange pot off of him.

[lonestarnot]

10. whoa you better armour/amor up!

[Redneck Socialist]

11. But did you catch any fish? That's the important thing man! n/t

[MichaelHarris]

17. I got one

16 incher yesterday. It started snowing and the wind was crazy so casting a fly rod was like spitting in the wind.

[knitter4democracy]

24. Nice.

Come on up to Michigan for good fishing some time. Ice fishing, ponds, lakes, rivers, we've got it.

[liberalhistorian]

12. Just FYI-Yahweh is the old

Hebrew term for God in the Old Testament; it's used frequently in the Old Testament. So, when he says "turn to Yahweh, not the Lord or God", he's making no sense because they''re the same entity.

And "Jesus is Satan's son?" What the HELL is that all about? That is the strangest thing I've heard in a very, very, very, looooooong time. I gotta tell my pastor about that, he'd find that very interesting but just as strange.

[Beam Me Up]

15. My guess is its a wacjob repudiation of the New Testament. n/t

[MichaelHarris]

18. make sure you tell them

about the great agent orange pot this guy has. I hear it's great stuff!

[reclinerhead]

33. My take

Ok I admit I spent about 20 minutes on that site perusing a few pages.

According to him the teachings of Jesus were corrupted by the devil, and he believes that we've been taught to essentially worship satan all this time. Thus the Jesus is Satan's Son thing. A disinformation campaign waged by evil?

It also says on the website that printed brochures and baptisms were available at the site behind that sign. I'd be scared!

[SpiralHawk]

43. Actually, Jesus is the reincarnated Adam....

of Adam and Eve. According to Driblical Scholars

Ya gotta keep up on these things...

[CatholicEdHead]

13. Well, the sign went up in 1984 (second pic), it is copyrighted of all things!

Wow it is really nutty way out there in the boonies.

I would guess his break from reality happened way before 1984. He can keep the copyright on that sign.

[MichaelHarris]

19. man that means

when I took the pic I violated his copyright. Crap, that means now I got Yahweh on my ass.

[Dem2theMax]

14. A smilie for the nut job.

:crazy:


Be careful up there, MichaelHarris. You might be in fundiewackoland, but it sure is entertaining to read about them! LOL.

Can't wait for part three. :)

[MichaelHarris]

20. tomorrow I may

get all liquored up and wear my Obama cap.

[Dem2theMax]

22. Don't you DARE!

We'll never 'see' you again! :scared:

But do take more photos. I need the comic relief. ;)

[CatholicEdHead]

25. Wear your cap as you have the car in gear to leave

at the earliest.

[nichomachus]

26. What would crazy people do without the bible?

They'd have to make shit up. The bible makes it so much easier to be batshit crazy.

[SammyWinstonJack]

29. They do make shit up! Isn't Armageddon made up shit?

[nichomachus]

30. The story is a little more complicated than that

Some fact, some fiction, some historical references mixed with some hysterical delusions.

[eppur_se_muova]

35. Actually, it was just a case of bad oysters. nt

[yellowcanine]

40. Or ergot poisoning. I had a plant pathology professor who attributed a lot of the witchcraft

accounts, etc. to ergot poisoning. Ergot is a disease which gets on rye and it contains LSD, a well known hallucinogen.

[SammyWinstonJack]

27. "My GAWD is better than your GAWD" Freaks of Nature!

:puke:

[smiley_glad_hands]

34. Could he be an atheist just fucking with his neighbors in order to get tax breaks? eom

[Vinca]

38. I have to admit, you don't see that everyday.

Sure hope you got great trout on your trip.

[yellowcanine]

39. Does anyone else think it is funny that it says "Posted by MichaeLO'Leary?

As In "LOL" = Laughing Out Loud?

Maybe Michael O'Leary is yanking our chains with a fundy spoof?

Alternatively, he could be a clueless "moran"

[holiday]

42. Yahweh is just Hebrew term FOR Jesus

and he spelled it differently on two different signs... Wow

[Marrah_G]

46. ummm did you just say Yahweh is Hebrew for Jesus???

[Maestro]

47. It's actually the name for God and I saw the two spellings

Just goes to show how freaky this person is. I'd hate to think the kind of crap he is filling those kids with.

[KharmaTrain]

48. Not Jesus...

But god...it's written in hebrew with the letters than can be pronounced Yahwey, but observant Jews use the world "elohim".

I've seen this term used with various fringe groups over the years...from "Black Jews" in Miami (remember the dudes who were supposed to blow up Sears Tower but didn't have a clue yet any plans) to Jews For Jesus who use that word as along with Yeshua for Jesus or god or both...it gets confusing. Maybe Sarah Palin can tell us. :rofl: