Is that a "code pink mom" behind Plame standing near the wall?

[NightWatcher]

I thought I saw a "peace sign" being flashed behind Plame.

[bdamomma]

1. yes, it was, I hope they let Plame testify.

there is a place for everything, I applaud them for being there, but this is too important for any outbursts.

[helderheid]

2. What? Where? Link?

[NightWatcher]

3. she's right behind her right shoulder

and her shirt reads "impeach bush"
it will be all over the news

[helderheid]

7. I just saw on another thread what this was about - welcome to DU - I'm now tuned in to CSPAN 1!

:hi:

[Greeby]

4. She's trying to angle so the "Impeach Bush" on her tshirt gets on camera nt

[La_Fourmi_Rouge]

5. Go Code Pink!

Medea benjamin and her crew rock. Totally!

[LSK]

6. yes, her shirt says "IMPEACH BUSH NOW"

Shes standing perfectly in camera view.

[MonkeyFunk]

8. Yes

because cheap spectacle is more important than this hearing. :eyes:

[donsu]

11. it's not 'cheap' or a 'spectacle'

it's freedom fighters doing their thing

and I thank brave Code Pink with my whole being

[Beelzebud]

13. Freedom Fighter or media whore? This isn't a fucking protest, it's a hearing.

[donsu]

19. freedom fighter

you really think some media is paying Code Pink?

[Beelzebud]

23. Media whore for wearing a pink tiara and sitting behind Plame...

Way to make a mockery of the hearing.

[IA_Seth]

26. I agree.

I know it isn't the "popular" stance, but an official hearing is not the place for this.

[donsu]

76. so you think Code Pink's aim is to mock?

nt

[Beelzebud]

78. If it wasn't their aim to mock, then they are incredibly naive.

[uppityperson]

96. Do you seriously believ that what 1 person wears makes a mockery of the hearings?

wow.

[proud2BlibKansan]

111. And let's just ignore the good work Code Pink does while we're at it

How many of these critics know that Code Pink has been speaking out about the conditions at Walter Reed for 4 years now? I suppose they would have criticized them for that as well. :eyes:

[proud2BlibKansan]

27. Clueless

When this administration is finally impeached, some of us will look back and be grateful for Code Pink and Cindy Sheehan and many others brave enough to speak out. Others will still call them media whores.

[Beelzebud]

29. If they pull stunts like this at something as important as this hearing they don't deserve respect..

[proud2BlibKansan]

35. They have mine

I have not only seen them on TV but I have met many of them in person. Their passion is inspiring. I can't even imagine quitting my job and going to DC to lobby against the war. Living on donations, not knowing where I will be staying next week. Selling my home and my liquidating my assets so I can make my voice heard in DC. I cannot imagine the bravery it takes to do that. I have nothing but complete respect for anyone who does that.

[SusanaMontana41]

114. Mine too

When they chanted "Fire Rumsfeld!" during the Armed Services Committee hearing on Abu Ghraib, their bravery made me cry.

[Desert Liberal]

129. Me three

[uppityperson]

91. Indeed. Incredible. I suppose those chanting "impeach" are media whores too.

It is our right to make statements in public. If it is a t-shirt or tiara, so be it. Mockery? Hardly.

[uppityperson]

93. Everywhere needs to be a protest. Everywhere.

[proud2BlibKansan]

108. Amen

Not speaking out has accomplished NOTHING!

[Desert Liberal]

123. Yes, it's a hearing

but isn't the whole point to find crimes and punish them? What better way to show we are willing to do that than to show we want EVERYONE up to the very highest office held accountable. We've gotta get the word out there to take the 'shock' value of it away. The more people see 'impeach' the better off we are.
Just my opinion. :shrug:

[proud2BlibKansan]

17. So do I

The people who criticize them apparently don't know what many Code Pinkers have given up to be in DC and speak out against the war.

[karlrschneider]

21. Actually, it's gauche and stupid.

...

[donsu]

32. 'gauche' lol

nt

[ShortnFiery]

62. Gawd how I love GAUCHE! Let's be appropriate? Hate your neighbor but don't forget to say "grace."

It seems that far too many people here did not experience OR truly appreciate the late 60s and 70s. :hippie:

[GOTV]

121. Ha! I got the reference! n/t

[Greybnk48]

9. Ha Ha Ha!!

I just read her shirt!! Way to go Code Pink!!:rofl:

[Catchawave]

10. That shirt is on all the channels !

MSNBC, CNN and FOX....lol. I'm surprised she hasn't been "fuzzed" out by now !

[proud2BlibKansan]

42. She has been arrested several times

and escorted out of other meetings. Since Waxman is running this one, I think they will let her stay.

[SlowDownFast]

12. This is not the venue for this.

I support what Code Pink works towards, but purposely getting in camera view and making gestures at a very serious and important hearing makes a circus and distracts.

Doesn't advance Valerie's cause or any progressive cause, and gives ammo to the other side.

It's selfish self-promotion.

Perfect example of an "idiot liberal".

:eyes:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

24. The hearings are the sideshow. The war is the issue.

They're keeping the focus on the real issue.

[Beelzebud]

28. Valerie Plame didn't need that kind of "help".

They aren't keeping the focus on teh real issue. They're making an ass out of the anti-war movement.

Obey was right.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

31. They're pointing out that the real issue is the war.

You don't really believe that the whole Plame affair isn't about the war, do you?

[Beelzebud]

34. No they aren't. They're making asses of themselves.

We know what this is about. Do you think the pink clown suit will tell others who don't? It won't.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

43. So protests should be in a "proper venue" like "Free Speech Zones"?

Protests against the war should take place anywhere there's an audience. Particularly an audience of politicians.

[Beelzebud]

46. What anti-war message is the pink tiara sending?

It's just making the hearing look like a joke.

And no. I dont' think a hearing on matters as important as this, are the place for a "protest". Nevermind the fact that this isn't a "protest", but one lone nut sitting behind plame in a pink clown suit.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

61. So her offense is being unfashionable in your eyes?

The halls of the mighty must be protected against pink tiaras?

If the politicians can't handle a protest they should look for a different line of work.

[Beelzebud]

63. No, her offense is making the hearing look like a circus at the moment Plame was testifying.

[uppityperson]

97. it's also embarrasing and, after all, we certainly don't want THAT

I mean, really. :sarcasm: Thank you Medea and all the other Code Pink people

[proud2BlibKansan]

52. Is this DU or some other site?

Some days I can't help but wonder.

Do these people want the war ended? Do they want this evil administration impeached or not? How the hell do they think that happens?

The Democrats spent how many years being polite while they were ignored by the party in charge? Remember Conyers' basement hearings?

The time for polite conversation is OVER. Impeach these bastards!!

[Beelzebud]

55. Again.. How does wearing a pink tiara during Plame's testimony help end the war?

[proud2BlibKansan]

66. Again, she sure got your attention

I have already sent her a link to this thread so she can see how much her work is noticed here on DU.

[Beelzebud]

69. No Valerie Plame got my attention.

[proud2BlibKansan]

112. And have you watched her testify or did you spend that time complaining

about Midge?

[Desert Liberal]

124. Ah, but I've hardly heard a word from you about Plame

and much more so about this 'embarassing protest'. Different people have different ways to make their voices heard. Just because you don't approve of this particular way doesn't mean you should deride its importance or denigrate those trying to make themselves heard in the whirlwind.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

100. Yes,

There's a serious investigation about the outing of a CIA agent as revenge for exposing lies about the War. But I'm all mad because of what somebody in a public meeting is wearing. OOOOOoooo!

:eyes:

[proud2BlibKansan]

14. It's Midge Potts

She is a friend of mine from Springfield, MO. She is a veteran of the first Gulf War and a Code Pink member. Midge has been in DC for a couple months now lobbying against the war and for impeachment.

[Eric J in MN]

53. Photo of Midge Potts.

[proud2BlibKansan]

60. Thanks - her website is down

so I couldn't post a link to it.

She has probably chosen to not pay the bill to keep it up. Midge is literally living on donations while she lobbies.

[INDIA]

128. I'm just going to ask what everyone else is thinking....

Was Midge born a woman? I'm not judging or anything, I'm just curious,my first thought upon seeing he/she was that it was a man in drag.

[proud2BlibKansan]

130. Why is her sexuality important?

I feel pretty certain Midge would gladly answer your questions but I am not going there. Not on this thread and not with her critics here.

I will PM you.

[INDIA]

131. It's not really important, I was just curious. Anyway, the PM isn't necc.

I think I figured it out. Thanks though!

[Individualist]

15. Am I the only one who thinks this looks like a man in drag?

[SlowDownFast]

41. First thing I thought. n/t

[Desert Liberal]

125. Wow, nice

What an awful thing to say about such a wonderful person. She's fighting for YOU too, you know.

[Beelzebud]

16. So Code Pink can be thanked for making a mockery of the hearing?

Obey was right. There are some truely Idiot Liberals out there...

[proud2BlibKansan]

20. And some of us are thankful for those brave enough to speak out

against the war and this evil administration.

[Beelzebud]

25. There is a time and a place. Plame was doing fine without the spectacle....

This was Valerie Plame's turn to speak out against the war and this evil administration.

Immature, selfish, and dumb.

[proud2BlibKansan]

30. And other than watching TV and your keyboard commando duties,

what are you doing to end this war and impeach the administration?

[Beelzebud]

33. Do you honestly think sitting behind plame with a pink clown suit is accomplishing something?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

38. Absolutely. This whole thing can't be divorced from the war.

It can be lost in legalisms and reduced to a squabble about what constitutes CIA agents outings. The focus has to stay on the war.

[Beelzebud]

40. How does a pink tiara keep the focus on the war exactly?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

48. You expect protesters to have a dress code?

She's there to protest the war, not be fashion conscious.

[Beelzebud]

51. This isn't a protest.. It's a serious hearing on important matters.

[proud2BlibKansan]

54. Matters related to the war

You keep leaving that part out. But if we had not illegally invaded Iraq, do you honestly believe Valerie Plame would be testifying today?

[LSK]

50. maybe her hairdo is wrong too??

Arnt you picking this apart too much? You made your point. If you recall, I was on Obeys side, but in this case I think you are wrong. The casual observer sees someone in pink in the background with a shirt that says IMPEACH BUSH NOW. They have been silent until the recess and promptly shut up when Waxman told them too.

[proud2BlibKansan]

44. She sure got your attention, didn't she?

:rofl:

[Beelzebud]

47. I'm glad you're having so much fun. Thats all that matters right?

[LSK]

59. if its so important, why are you arguing about this so much

And not watching the hearing???

Sheesh, people dont know how to stop on this board.

[proud2BlibKansan]

64. Ending the war and impeaching the administration is what matters

But you seem more concerned about Midge and her wardrobe. hmmmm

[Beelzebud]

65. I'm concerned with the hearing not appearing like a circus.

That way more people than Code Pink take it seriously.

[proud2BlibKansan]

70. Sweetheart, the circus is in the White House

or had you not noticed?

[Name removed]

73. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[proud2BlibKansan]

113. Ask yourself that question sweetheart

You are the one going bonkers over Midge and her pink shirt.

[Dinger]

126. I'm "Concerned" Too nt

[SlowDownFast]

58. Completely naive.

You're the same one who called the woman who pestered Obey while secretly filming him a 'hero'.

Frustrating how some have no realistic idea of how of politics or PR works. Selfishly promoting their causes at the expense of the progressive movement as a whole.

Downright embarrassing, actually.

:eyes:

[proud2BlibKansan]

67. Yes I did

I happen to think what these peace lobbyists are doing is awesome.

And I take it you wouldn't be interested in a link to send them a donation? :)

[SlowDownFast]

98. No.

My donations are given to responsible, realistic activism, not circus theatrics.

If I want to see a circus, I'll buy tickets to Barnum & Bailey.

[proud2BlibKansan]

115. So what peace rally will you be at this weekend?

Or do you support the war?

[SlowDownFast]

119. Don't even go there.

I've been arrested, booked and jailed several times for peacefully protesting in support of progressive anti-war/environmental causes.

How 'bout you?

[proud2BlibKansan]

120. I am a regular at Camp Casey and I have attended most national marches

since we invaded Iraq. In fact, I know Midge through Camp Casey.

I am also an organizer for our local rally this weekend. Consider yourself invited. Oh, and there is NO dress code.

[karlrschneider]

74. PLUS, it pisses off our 'enemies' and some of our friends...as we see right here.

Who the hell is going to suddenly support impeaching the chimp just by seeing it suggested on a pink sweater?
:eyes:

[Cameron27]

22. I'm glad she sat down.

I want to see and hear Valerie Plame today, not a message from Code Pink.

[LSK]

37. they didnt do anything until Waxman went to recess

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

18. Bravo for Code Pink. Keep it about the war.

[karlrschneider]

39. Why doesn't she have "impeach" tattooed on her ass and show that?

It would be just about as dignified...

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

45. You want "dignified" protests? Dress codes? Humble approaches to the bosses?

Have you ever been in a protest?

[Beelzebud]

49. This is a hearing, not a protest... Have you ever been to a hearing?

[Cameron27]

56. Yep, and this is one hearing

where I want every i dotted, every t crossed. I want it solemn and sober and I want the drama to come from the testimony, not because someone's wearing an Impeach t-shirt.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

75. Sure, and I've protested at hearings.

And, in classrooms, federal buildings, campus administration buildings, parks, around military bases, and the streets.

The protests were seldom "dignified" or "fashionable".

[SlowDownFast]

103. LOL. Good point. n/t.

[GOTV]

122. It's a floor wax! it's a desert topping! - Actually, it's both! n/t

[karlrschneider]

57. I was protesting the Viet Nam "war" when you were just a gleam in the milkman's eye.

So Joe Republican is watching and sees a woman in a pink suit...guess which reaction he'll have:

1. Oh, a pink lady who says we should impeach the president! Obviously she's 100% right!
or
2. "What a doofus"

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

68. I rather doubt that.

Seeing my first "protest" against the war in Vietnam was in 1965 when I refused to extend my enlistment to go there.

Oh, dear, the lady doesn't meet your fashion standards.

If you were at protests during Vietnam I must have missed you in your 3 piece Armani suit. Most of the people I came across at the protests weren't all that worried about how everyone else was dressed.

Actually I don't give a rip what "Joe Republican" allegedly thinks.

[Beelzebud]

71. This isn't a protest....

[proud2BlibKansan]

77. Being polite and discreet has accomplished NOTHING

It got us into a war. It cost Valerie Plame her job.

The time for politeness is OVER.

I too am old enough to remember the Vietnam protests. I certainly don't remember a dress code. LOL

[Beelzebud]

79. So the time for this was during Plame's testimony?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

81. When is the "right time" for protests and free speech?

When the bosses say it is?

[Beelzebud]

82. No, when common sense says it is. Not when Plame FINALLY gets her day.

This was Valerie Plame's chance to tell her side of the story. She deserved more than a fucking spectacle....

[SlowDownFast]

109. "Not when Plame FINALLY gets her day."

That is the main point.

I have nothing against pink tiaras or polka dot tu-tus for that matter.

But this is Valerie's Day. I'm sure she appreciates someone behind her making faces and gestures while she is on national television testifying before Congress about matters that, up until now, she has had to remain silent on.

It's like, have some fucking respect, PLEASE.

[Beelzebud]

110. Yep. Thats the whole point.

[proud2BlibKansan]

117. The time is always

I wear my IMPEACH shirt almost every day. I have 3 of them and just ordered another. And I get very positive responses here in red state hell. It's amazing. I haven't had a negative comment or a nasty look while I was wearing my shirt in almost a year. THE TIME IS NOW.

[Desert Liberal]

127. The 'time' for this

is ALL day, EVERY day, until our troops are out of harm's way. If I have to protest in Chimpy's bathroom, the White House Lawn, ANY public building or area, I WILL DO IT! This war needs to stop NOW, and thanks to Code Pink for their continued courage.

on edit: typo

[karlrschneider]

84. I was IN the military in 1965. And protesting out of uniform. I have owned exactly

one suit in my life which I bought for my senior prom in 1959. It was from J.C. Penney. And if you think we can impeach W without some Republican support, you're living in a dream world.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

88. And, I remember the same "play nice" crap from some back in '65.

The Republicans aren't going to impeach because we pander to their delicate sensibilities. They might agree to impeach if it's in their own interests to do so.

If they aren't going to support impeachment because of a lone pink-clad demonstrator than I rather doubt they're going to support it all.

Anyone who thinks politicians are going to do the right, and sometimes risky, thing because we are nice to them is living in a dream world.

[Beelzebud]

94. You are conflating issues. We aren't saying no protesting. We're saying be SMART about it.

Were they there to "protest" Valerie Plame, or the Democrats running the hearing?

What exactly were they "protesting"? If you say "the war", i'll just have to remind you that they are preaching to the choir! Choose your battle WISELY.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

102. I'm saying that the Plame Hearings and the war are inseperable.

And, I don't think keeping the heat on the Democrats to end it is unwise.

[proud2BlibKansan]

72. And we care about what Joe Republican thinks because . . . . ???

[karlrschneider]

80. Because we can NOT impeach the sonofabitch WITHOUT some of them.

Jesus, are you being deliberately obtuse?
:eyes:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

83. So, they'll agree to impeach if we play nice and pander to them.

And, don't forget to dress appropriately lest we offend their tender sensibilities.

[Beelzebud]

85. Do you honestly think the pink clown suit will accomplish anything?

[verse18]

92. It's accomplishing more than anything you've done.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

95. It sure got your attention.

[uppityperson]

106. Which of these is she wearing?

Tiara

Clown suit


Just so I can understand how embarrased I should be.

[karlrschneider]

86. Buy-bye.

ignoring now

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

89. Try ignoring the pink tiara which offends you so much.

[proud2BlibKansan]

118. And no pink!

:rofl:

[proud2BlibKansan]

116. Between the attorneys being fired and these hearings,

I doubt Midge's pink outfit will matter much.

[cali]

90. And have you ever heard of Martin Luther KIng?

I've been to plenty of protests and yes, I prefer dignified.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

99. Then you should avoid "undignified" ones.

You ever hear of the Boston Tea Party where the citizens dress very unfashionably in fake Indian attire. It upset the bigshots a lot.

[Beelzebud]

101. Ok. Was Code Pink protesting Plame or the Dems running the hearing?

If they are protesting the war, why preach to the choir?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

104. Because the choir needs to have it's feet held to the fire.

They have to be reminded, always, that they aren't the exalted figures they like to think themselves, by the outraged citizenry.

[Beelzebud]

105. Yeah I'm sure the pink tiara lady really put their feet to the fire.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

107. It probably got their attention.

We'll see.

[BluePatriot]

36. Awesome.

I hope they are in the background of powerful pics of Ms. Plame that get stuck in all the history books and 40 yrs later they will be the answer on a multiple-choice test somewhere in a high school when covering this period in history.

:yourock:

[rman]

87. ...and someone else who finds this Very Important