PLAME #14 (OBSW= OH BULL SHIT W!!) OFFICIAL THREAD

[helderheid]

#1 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=424238&mesg_id=424238
#2 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=424577&mesg_id=424577
and http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=424583&mesg_id=424583
#3 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x424917
#4 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=425279&mesg_id=425279
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#6 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=425729&mesg_id=425729
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#11 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=427233&mesg_id=427233
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#13 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=427730&mesg_id=427730

[bobthedrummer]

1. Toensing deserves extraordinary rendition.

[Beelzebud]

2. Waxman is hanging this idiot out to dry! It's GREAT!

[youthere]

3. GO Waxman! Tear that bitch up!

[AlCzervik]

4. You don't know Lady so answer you don't know, stop spinning.

[Catshrink]

5. Icky-Vicky -- correct, but not honest.

That was wonderful. Waxman: I'm not yielding my time to YOU. He is ripping her a new one.

Waxman: :yourock:

[Sydnie]

Yep. Perfect description - Icky Vicky!

:rofl: Fairly Odd President fits too!

[keithjx]

6. Go WAXMAN!

WOOHOO!!!! HA HA HA HA HA!
:rofl:
KJ

[POAS]

7. Tricky Vicky getting wacky

[POAS]

18. Her equivocation of "Under the law" is just CYA

[rhiannon55]

8. What is the definition of the word "leak"?

oh. my. god.

[POAS]

21. It's next to the word "IS" that she

used to rail about with Clinton

[helderheid]

9. This is getting so good but I GOTTA get dressed! Have to pick up my son from school!

[Vadem]

104. ROTFLMAO! I'm not dressed, either! I don't have to leave the...

house, though.

:hi:

[IChing]

10. Waxman is up now and taking her to task

She had no information and is just being inconclusive on her hear say testimony

[HCE SuiGeneris]

11. She needs a muzzle ffs!

[LSK]

12. WOW WOW WOW WAXMAN IS AWESOME!!!!1

[Beelzebud]

14. Waxman just becaome one of my heroes today. :)

[POAS]

28. He's been at the head of my list for years

[bunny planet]

13. Oh Vicky, you just got served.

[The Witch]

15. This is unbelievable. I heart this.

I expect no coverage beyond Plame's testimony, however.

[Mabus]

22. Oh, I think the people at Countdown are taking notes

I can hear KO now.

[LSK]

29. Hardball probably too

[Mabus]

48. and Comedy Central

[LSK]

67. and AAR - Randis show should be awesome today

[ginnyinWI]

36. well then it can be a surprise to the RW

when Rove gets the boot and impeachment proceedings begin. ;)

[Norquist Nemesis]

16. hahahahaaha!!!! "Do you know for a fact?"

"Well, uhhhh, I know from testimony"

:rofl:

[blogslut]

17. I love Henry Waxman

n/t

[Dinger]

23. I Love Him More!

[ronnykmarshall]

Call him and tell him!

In Los Angeles
8436 West Third Street, Suite 600
Los Angeles, CA 90048
[phone] (phone)
[phone] (phone)
[phone] (phone)
[phone] (fax)

[Dinger]

57. Done!

:patriot:

[Dinger]

Just Did. I'm Going To Start A Thread With This Inf

with your permission I hope:patriot:

I have laryngitis today also. Not feeling to well here. I talked to a wonderful woman and she was so thankful and happy. . . thanked me several times, and I said I'd pass this number along, and for her to be ready for a flood of calls! GO DU GO!!!

[ronnykmarshall]

133. Please do!

I've called Waxman and Watson so far.

[Catherine Vincent]

19. Waxman is kicking Toensing's butt!

Did you see the disgusted look on her face? :rofl:

[TexasLady]

20. what a blatant display of disrespect to the committee

she is gawd-awful.

somebody needs to take that bitch behind the tool shed.

bitch needs to check herself!

[trof]

24. Boy, she gets really frustrated when she's not allowed to parrot the message.

[NewJeffCT]

32. That's all she's programmed for

repeating the talking points over & over...anything else does not compute.

[rodeodance]

25. OK, so here's fox's new headline

Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject OK, so here's fox's new headline
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x427983#427983
427983, OK, so here's fox's new headline
Posted by pepperbear on Fri Mar-16-07 01:03 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,259168,00.html


SCHOOL BUS TERROR ALERT!

WASHINGTON — Members of extremist groups have signed up as school bus drivers in the United States, counterterror officials said Friday, in a cautionary bulletin to police. An FBI spokesman said "parents and children have nothing to fear."

nothing to fear, but we thought we'd give you something anyway, what with the latest inconvenient truth.

[IChing]

26. Her testimony is being ripped as hear-say and opinion not the facts

[EVDebs]

27. Ms. Toensing, Phillip Agee wants to speak to you about consequences....

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/10/02/159258

""What happened was, their operations were disrupted and that was the purpose of what we were doing.""

Brewster Jennings was the intended target. Greg Palast's Khan Job article shows the NSA's collaboration in this with the 'policy shift' prior to 9-11 ! Trash all WMD/non-proliferation ops ...

[wryter2000]

30. Amazing

I haven't seen anything like this since Watergate. This'll be repeated on CSPAN, folks. Tape it and watch it.

[Cameron27]

31. Cummings looks stunned

[Mabus]

37. "I don't know what Goldwater was doing"

SNAP

[Sydnie]

42. He's been stunned all day

and rightfully so.

[BattyDem]

47. He almost looks like he's going to be sick

He is really shocked!

His face is locked in a "WTF" expression.

[LSK]

33. Cummings up now - lets look at the big picture

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[Lerkfish]

34. toensing being former council explains a great deal

[blogslut]

35. Cummings is going to get her now!

:)

[w8liftinglady]

44. God,he is so articulate

[POAS]

50. I hope he gets her good.

[rodeodance]

38. i really did not know she was such and IDIOT!!

[rodeodance]

55. 'Whole networks are place in jeapardy" (Plame earlier testimony)

[EVDebs]

65. Correct ! The NSA's 'pre-9/11 policy shift' and scuttling non-proliferation WMD ops

[BattyDem]

39. Cummings is up.

:popcorn:

[bobthedrummer]

40. "I don't understand what your question was."

:argh:

[ronnykmarshall]

41. Rep Cummings is wonderful.

He's very emotional and passionate.

[underpants]

43. Toesing filed an amicaus brief for Miller and Cooper

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Toensing

[POAS]

52. Good catch

I wonder if anything here conflicts with that brief.

[IChing]

45. Rep. Cummings is speaking now

I don't care about what Goldwater was doing which the bitch keep bringing up in her testimony
for you cube rats.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

46. Cummings bringing some sanity to the hearing

restating the reason for the hearings and its importance.. kudos to him

[speedoo]

49. Elijah Cummings now getting ready to put Vicki on the dung heap...

where she belongs.

[EVDebs]

56. See post #27 ! Brewster Jennings was the target....

[rhiannon55]

51. "Embedded in the DNA in every cell of my body until I die"

Wow. Just Wow.

[xxqqqzme]

It is sooooo obvious, watching this shill,

theses rethugs really, really really, HATE that the Democrats have the POWER to ask them questions.


Her complaint? Her complaint? WTF?

[POAS]

68. I would want anybodies testimony

to be accurate and he has her dead to rights.

[TexasLady]

77. yeah, you can SEE her resentment of them. n/t

[wryter2000]

53. Elijah Cummings up now

I don't know what Goldwater was doing, but one thing I do know. We have a lady here who lost her job, something she loved to do while risking her life. there's a reason we have these laws. They go to trying to protect Americans who want to go out there and protect us.

Were you here, Ms. T, when VPW testified. She said, I expected other countries to try to reveal my identity, but never did I expect my own government to do it.

Whole networks of agents have been placed in jeopardy.

[dogday]

54. She has lost that cocky attitude she had when she first started....

[Eurobabe]

62. she's shaking it like a hip hop rock star

[BattyDem]

63. She has the GOP-patented "Oh shit, I'm really screwed now" look

:P

[insane_cratic_gal]

64. Nah its back

She has far too much ego to concede that she's wrong

[rodeodance]

66. Cummings comments should make Vicky ashamed !

[rodeodance]

75. the Idiot is still saying Plame was NOT covert!!

[rodeodance]

118. Toensing has her story and she's sticking to it "Plame Not Covert" "Fitz out of Control"

Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject Victoria Toensing has her story and she's sticking to it "Plame Not Covert" "Fitz out of Control"
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x427813#427813
427813,


Victoria Toensing has her story and she's sticking to it "Plame Not Covert" "Fitz out of Control"
Posted by emulatorloo on Fri Mar-16-07 12:53 PM

And that it is the CIA's Fault.

Man I hope Waxman takes her behind the woodshed

[Sydnie]

70. No she hasn't

Don't let this junk yard dog fool you. She is just momentarily distracted by an intelligent question.

[blogslut]

58. Oh, Vicky...abuse of the law?

Do tell.

[WinkyDink]

86. Basically, "I wrote it, and I'll define and use it any way I want."

[LSK]

59. this situation doesnt have the elements of the law applying to it? ARE YOU CRAZY???

[AlCzervik]

60. OMG Who gives a flying fuck about you "Having no problem with Plame"

lets rewind all the tapes of her talk show appearances and see if that holds up.

[Beelzebud]

61. Cummings just fucking NAILED HER

[EVDebs]

71. The law according to her is AliceInWonderland Rabbit Hole

[POAS]

Yep

[IChing]

69. Coming back and blaming the CIA but Cummings is saying

that she has conflicting testimony and she is starting to stammer, and blink...

[blogslut]

72. OOOh. Cummings is reading Vicky's WP piece

hmmm

[Richard Steele]

78. Hoist by her own petard!

[WinkyDink]

73. Letting her TALK TOO LONG UNINTERRUPTED.

[rhiannon55]

80. STFU Vicky

[Sir Jeffrey]

74. Third count of perjury Ms. Toensing...

Just lied about Wash Post article

[Sir Jeffrey]

107. Toensing is a stupid b--tch

4th count of perjury:

Again denying Plame's status was covert

[marmar]

76. Elijah Cummings is kicking all kinds of booty today....

Listen to her spin right round, baby, right round, like a record baby, round round round round

[LSK]

79. so the law currently applies to 5 years now

Which would apply to Plame.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

81. I FOUND IT! I have the

Pepto Bismol for her diarrhea of the mouth.

[EVDebs]

85. Brewster Jennings is a legal "person" too, along with all its operatives both foreign domestic !

[blogslut]

82. Waxman repeating

The CIA sez she's covert...now Vicky, what were you saying?

[AndyA]

88. Love it! He was very clear, for the record, that Plame was COVERT

at the time of her outing. She was CLASSIFIED!

[brentspeak]

83. Is Toensing playing charades? Making shadow puppets? What's with her hand jive?

[IChing]

90. Watson is reading her quotes and proving her a liar

she has conflicting statements on Plame.

[LSK]

84. I love it when they read quotes back to people

[AlCzervik]

89. hoisted by her own petard, much fun to watch.

[EVDebs]

92. "Not under the law..."

What the hell is she talking about ? It's Bush's Law per Toensing.

[EVDebs]

97. Brewster Jennings employees/contacts outside of US....

[dogday]

87. Nail this woman's ass to the door....

she is just stating her opinion and not facts at all....

[helderheid]

93. !!!!

[dogday]

108. She never talked to the CIA or Valerie Plame

She has no direct knowledge... She is just stating law, a law she can't say applies or doesn't apply to V. Plame....

[Cameron27]

91. Good Watson cuts her off.

[Catshrink]

103. "I'm claiming my time"

Beautiful -- they're not letting them run out the clock the way Condi did. These questions are precise. Now this is a hearing!

[youthere]

94. BWAHAHAHA!! "Are you claiming my time?"

I love it!!

[CottonBear]

Diane Watson is awesome. She is kicking Vicky's sorry ass.

Q "DId you receive any info from the CIA that Mrs. Wilson was not covert."

A "No."

[robinlynne]

95. They need to make her admit she is voicing her opinion, not a fact. And saying her

opinion is a fact.

[Beelzebud]

96. BINGO! Perjury for Toesing

[EVDebs]

110. So to convict Libby, per Toensing, you'd have to be in camera and sworn in in order to convict

[xxqqqzme]

98. Why is this woman testifying?

[CottonBear]

120. Because she and her husband have been lying that Plame was not covert.

They are former Reagan Republcian administration lawyers and RW DC wingnuts.

[SeattleGirl]

99. Jeebus, so The Liar knows better than Valerie Plame whether

she was covert???????

[rhiannon55]

100. "Reclaiming my time" -- Watson

LOL!:rofl:

[Eurobabe]

113. Smack!

[Eurobabe]

101. Watson, reclaiming my time - shot down beoyatch!

Yes or no. VT: giving you my legal interpretation. Plame was not covert.

Watson: reclaiming my time

[Justpat]

112. reclaiming my time -

basically telling her to STFU.

[brentspeak]

102. "Under the law"...I guess it depends what the definition of what 'is' is.

[POAS]

121. I think we now know the definition of bitch

[blogslut]

105. Is Toensing is setting herself up for perjury?

?

[CottonBear]

144. Only one person can be telling the truth: Vicky or Valerie and I don't think it's Vicky. n/t

[helderheid]

106. THREAD 15 THREAD 15 THREAD 15 THREAD 15

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x428288

[bobthedrummer]

109. The arrogance of this neo-nazi reminds me of Herman Goerring...

[AndyA]

111. Nail the bitch!

Toensing: "I helped draft the law..."

Still insisting Plame wasn't covert.

[trof]

114. Toensing trying to split parts of previously split hairs.

She parses so fine as to leave results invisible to naked eye.

[suffragette]

115. "Reclaiming my time"

Rep. Watson won't let Toensing run her time out. She will ask the questions she wants in the time she has. Smack!

[Dinger]

116. Watson: "You Can't Claim My Time"

If I have that corect. Diane is kicking this hag's ass, and follows Henry's fine example!:) :patriot:

[Gregorian]

117. This is the crux of the republican mindset.

The very basic definition of covert is being questioned by this riotgirl.

Riotgirl isn't the word I'm looking for. She has that side to side cocky gang bitch motion.

[BattyDem]

122. Let's ask the CIA what "covert" means ...

and let this idiot tell them otherwise!

[Lasher]

129. Key point: The statute doesn't say an agent has to RESIDE outside the country

It says (s)he must have WORKED outside the country.

It is this distortion that is being employed to perpetuate this particular lie right now.

[Lasher]

119. Watson is the perfect person to set on this fascist bitch

If Watson ever got mad at me the only thing I could do is go into a fetal position

[CottonBear]

125. "...if it violates executive order but not criminal statute? Yes or No?"

"Yes."

Mrs. Watson just nailed Vicky's ass to the wall.

[quiet.american]

123. REP. WATSON ROCKS!

Got Toensing to admit the leak is in violation of administration policy!

[CottonBear]

128. Vicky looked really shaken. She had to tell the truth. That was hard for her. n/t

[speedoo]

124. Well done. Ms. Watson!!

Got Vicki to agree there was wrong doing.

[bunny planet]

126. Its the Executive order Vicky!!!!!!

Not your Intelligence Identities Act.
There's a reason Fitz couldn't prove Intelligence Identities Act. But the Executive order has been violated.

Vicky is speechless now.
and now ' I take no exception with that, that's right.
Oh snapedy snap snap SNAP.
The executive order was violated, there was no WH investigation of the violation of that executive order, and Mr. Rove still has his security clearance even after having violated that said executive order.
Oh my.

[brentspeak]

127. It's funny, Toensing earlier said she was a "criminal...(pause)...defense attorney"

Freudian slip-up.

[babylonsister]

130. So David Corn outed Plame, not Novak?

:rofl: :spray:

[Lasher]

131. Democrats have obviously loaded up, anticipating she would try to take over and filibuster

She must be known for such a tactic

[CottonBear]

135. She's used to bloviating and interrupting on cable TV talk shows. n/t

[CottonBear]

132. Rep. Chris Van Hollen grilling her now. This is a tag team smack down of epic proportions. n/t

[speedoo]

136. It seems even Davis wants nothing to do with her now.

He's left the room. :rofl:

[Lasher]

137. Democrats are getting smarter

They have rehearsed.

[rhiannon55]

134. Oh, it's all DAVID CORN'S fault

Of course! Thanks Vicky!

[Democrat 4 Ever]

143. Waxman just called Vicky a Big Fat Liar to her face. Told her

he didn't believe her statements. And then, in the final moments did you catch that Waxman said they invited HER to testify at the request of the minority members of the committee? She didn't have anything to add to the discussion but they were placating the Repubics by having her appear. She was handed her ass today.

Game - set - match to the Democratic majority. Damn. Oh, double damn, that was sweet.

[lyonn]

146. Waxman also made a statement that he was going to check

and verify her statements that she had presented! I have never heard a congress person say such at the end of a hearing. She was full of "her facts" and swore by them. She does this absolute talk all the time for public consumption. This time she got put in her place for a change.

[Lasher]

138. Listen, Toensing is trying to break in when she's not being questioned

Now there is an individual who is much more comfortable in the transmit mode than in receive.

[CottonBear]

141. That's why Faux News loves her. BTW, She looks totally beaten down and broken.

She's not getting her ass kissed like she does when she lies and bloviates on cable TV talk shows.
:rofl: She was packing up her little briefcase. No one was talking to her or even standing near her. She is a pariah.
Even the Republics are staying away from her! :evilgrin:

[Lasher]

145. Yes, they very effectively closed down her game of taking over and blah blah blah

Interrupting, stringing endless lies together to make rebuttal difficult or impossible, boondogling to make sure she is the only one who has a chance to voice their views.

Cut off from that she was exposed for the liar she is.

[rosesaylavee]

139. Waxman has such a cool head

about all this. Great ending - we know you have lied and we will leave the record open to refute your lies. Take that, Vickie.

[speedoo]

Waxman is the best!!! Tells Vicki her statements will be checked.

Sounds like she was there at Davis' request. Interesting that Davis left her for the Dems to grill. He actually left the room!

[Lasher]

140. Meeting adjourned, party's over for now. Signing off.

[PhilipShore]

142. Kick

:nopity: