Who favors kicking Lieberman out of our CAUCUS now?

[Faryn Balyncd]

Does Lieberman have a right to be a member of our caucus?

Is there any benefit to being associated with Joe Lieberman?

Do you think we should just eliminate his CHAIRMANSHIP but beg him to remain in the caucus?

Or kick him out?

What are the odds that a Senator that actively campaigned to keep the caucus UNDER 60 would actually vote to cut off a GOP filibuster?

[Tangerine LaBamba]

1. Remember LBJ, who was a very smart pol,

who said, "I'd rather have (him) inside the tent, pissin' out, than outside the tent, pissin' in."

[katandmoon]

4. But he pisses inside the tent whether he's inside or outside it. I say him kick him out.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

7. You wanna try that again?

It's the "inside-outside" concept that's central here. If he's pissin' inside, there are ways to deal with him. If he's outside, he's beyond sanctions and pressure and influence.

See?

[Faryn Balyncd]

9. Have "ways to deal with him" actually helped? Or has he used his position to damage our values?

[katandmoon]

12. No, YOU don't get it. He's been inside the tent for two years. He's already pissed all over it!

Or don't you consider his speaking at the Repug national convention, campaigning for McCain, and trashing Obama, pissing INSIDE the same tent where he's supposed to caucus with the Democrats and where he holds important Democratic committee chairmanships and all?

I sure as hell do and I want this traitor OUT.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

19. OK, I can see that the old LBJ adage is lost on you

It requires subtle thought and nuanced reasoning, and sometimes those things just don't work with some people. You've seen Dittoheads at work - they're like that, unable to see beyond the painfully obvious, unable to conceptualize what good might be gleaned by a different approach.

I tried. Oh, and I get it. I just prefer to give the matter more thought and go deeper than you do.

Different strokes, eh?

[hfojvt]

17. I don't think that works

we have a different media environment now. The thing about Lieberman is that he is always on TV attacking Democrats and supporting Republicans. He helps to create the perception among the voters that "Democrats are being partisan" and that "Republican spin points are true". Thus the RWNM can say "even some Democrats ..."

This goes for almost any proposal.

Health care. Republicans will call it socialized medicine. Lieberman will get on TV and agree.

Environemnt. Republicans will call it job killing red tape. Lieberman will go on TV and agree.

That might influence a block of voters in the middle, either centrist Democrats or Centrist Republicans. They might be leaning in support of a Democratic proposal, but if "even a Democrat says it's a bad idea" then it must be a bad idea, but all those other Democrats are just too partisan to admit it.

[mdavies013]

2. He should be gone...he is not a democrat...he does not represent our values.

[Ian David]

3. I propose a compromise.

LIEberman gets to caucus with the Democrats so long as he votes with Harry Reid every single time, on every single vote.

HOWEVER... is there ANYONE who does NOT believe that when Democrats caucus behind "closed doors" with LIEberman in the room, that he doesn't go back and blab to the Repukes everything he has heard?

[FiveGoodMen]

5. DTMFA!

[JJ]

6. I wanted to boot him in 2000

When he rolled over for Cheney during the Vice-presidential debates.

[DebbieCDC]

8. Kick him to the curb

I'd NEVER trust having him in the room when strategy, tactics, etc. were being discussed.

He's a man without a country now, because even the 'pukes won't want him.

Remember Benedict Arnold and your grade school history? He fled to England thinking he'd be hailed as a hero there for betraying the Revolution and the Brits didn't want anything to do with him either. Once a turncoat, always a turncoat.

[rateyes]

10. Count me in.

On kicking him out, that is. :hi:

[FatDave]

11. Fuck him.

Let him run to the republicans. Connecticut will never reelect him.

[Occam Bandage]

13. Strip him of his chairmanship. Let him stay if he wants and leave if he wants. nt

[rhett o rick]

16. Fair enough. nm

[CanonRay]

14. OUT! NOW!

Fuck him, he tried to fuck us. Revenge is a dish best eaten cold. Let him sit in the dark with his rethug friends.

[CanonRay]

15. OUT! NOW!

Fuck him, he tried to fuck us. Revenge is a dish best eaten cold. Let him sit in the dark with his rethug friends.

[NNN0LHI]

18. Joe got to go