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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 11:40 PM
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I just got an email begging for $ to help a court case about President Elect Obama's birth certifica

I just replied to an old friend to go to fact check. Here is the email:


This is the current standing of the Philip Berg federal suit filed demanding that Barack Obama produce his authentic certificate of birth as required by law before assuming the ofiice of President of the United States.

Subject: Fw: BERG v. OBAMA: We the People, USA Today, full-page article

Forwarded to me. I wonder how this will turn out.

Thought this might be of interest

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and a lie is a lie even if everyone believes it.

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Subject: BERG v. OBAMA ; WE THE PEOPLE - USA TODAY FULL PAGE Article

Pass this one on far and wide. Its the truth. Produce or withdraw.

BREAKING: Two Developments
NUMBER ONE

If The Supreme Court Decides...?

At this point, Supreme Court Justice David Souter's Clerk informed Philip J. Berg, the lawyer who brought the case against Obama, that his petition for an injunction to stay the November 4th election was denied, but the Clerk also required the defendants to respond to the Writ of Certiorari (which requires the concurrence of four Justices) by December 1. At that time, Mr. Obama must present to the Court an authentic birth certificate, after which Mr. Berg will respond.

If Obama fails to do that, it is sure to inspire the skepticism of the Justices, who are unaccustomed to being defied. They will have to decide what to do about a president-elect who refuses to prove his natural-born citizenship.

"I can see a unanimous Court (en banc) decertifying the election if Obama refuses to produce his birth certificate," says Raymond S. Kraft, an attorney and writer. "They cannot do otherwise without abandoning all credibility as guardians of the Constitution. Even the most liberal justices, however loathe they may to do this, still consider themselves guardians of the Constitution. The Court is very jealous of its power - even over presidents, even over presidents-elect."

Also remember that on December 13, the Electoral College meets to cast its votes. If it has been determined that Mr. Obama is an illegal alien and therefore ineligible to become President of the United States, the Electors will be duty-bound to honor the Constitution.

NUMBER TWO

Draft of WTP full-page ad to be published in USA TODAY the week of November 10, 2008:

An Open Letter to Barack Obama:

Are you a Natural Born Citizen of the U.S.?

Are you legally qualified to hold the Office of President?


Dear Mr. Obama:

On October 24, 2008, a federal judge granted your request to dismiss a lawsuit by Citizen Philip Berg, who challenged your qualifications under the "Natural Born Citizen" clause of the U.S. Constitution to legally hold the office of President of the United States of America.

Mr. Berg presented factual evidence to the Court in support of his claim that you are either a citizen of your father's native Kenya by birth, or that you became a citizen of Indonesia, relinquishing your prior citizenship when you moved there with your mother in 1967.

In your response to the lawsuit, you neither denied Mr. Berg's claims nor submitted any evidence which would refute his assertions. Instead, you argued that the Court lacked the jurisdiction to determine the question of your legal eligibility because Mr. Berg lacked "standing."

Astonishingly, the judge agreed, simply saying, " would have us derail the democratic process by invalidating a candidate for whom millions of people voted and underwent excessive vetting during what was one of the most hotly contested presidential primary in living memory."

Unfortunately, your response to the legal claim was clearly evasive and strikingly out of character, suggesting you may, in fact, lack a critical Constitutional qualification necessary to assume the Office of President: i.e., that you are not a "natural born" citizen of the United States or one who has relinquished his American citizenship.

Before you can exercise any of the powers of the United States, you must prove that you have fully satisfied each and every eligibility requirement that the Constitution mandates for any individual's exercise of those powers.

Regardless of the tactics chosen in defending yourself against the Berg lawsuit, significant questions regarding your legal capacity to hold this nation's highest office have been put forth publicly, and you have failed to directly refute them with documentary evidence that is routinely available to any bona fide, natural born U.S. Citizen.

As one who has ventured into the fray of public service of his own volition, seeking to possess the vast powers of the Office of President, it is not unreasonable to demand that you produce evidence of your citizenship to answer the questions and allay the concerns of the People. Indeed, as the one seeking the office, you are under a moral, legal, and fiduciary duty to proffer such evidence to establish your qualifications as explicitly mandated by Article II of the Constitution.

Should you proceed to assume the office of the President of the United States as anything but a bona fide natural born citizen of the United States that has not relinquished that citizenship, you would be inviting a national disaster, placing our Republic at great risk from untold consequences. For example:

· Neither the Electoral College on December 15, nor the House of Representatives on January 6 would be able to elect you, except as a poseur - a usurper;

· As a usurper, you would be unable to take the required "Oath or Affirmation" of office on January 20 without committing the crime of perjury or false swearing, for being ineligible for the Office of the President you cannot faithfully execute the Office of the President of the United States;

· Your every act in the usurped Office of the President would be a criminal offense as an act under color of law that would subject the People to the deprivation of their constitutional rights, and entitling you to no obedience whatsoever from the People;

· as a usurper acting in the guise of the President you could not function as the Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy and of the militia of the several states, as such forces would be under no legal obligation to remain obedient to you;

· No one in any civilian agency in the Executive Branch would be required to obey any of your proclamations, executive orders or directives, as such orders would be legally VOID;

· Your appointment of Ambassadors and Judges to the Supreme Court would be VOID ab initio (i.e., from the beginning), no matter what subsequent actions the Senate might take as well as rendering any such acts by such appointed officials void as well;

· Congress would not be able to pass any new laws because they would not be able to acquire the signature of a bona fide President, rendering all such legislation legally VOID;

· As a usurper, Congress would be unable to remove you from the Office of the President on Impeachment, inviting certain political chaos including a potential for armed conflicts within the General Government or among the States and the People to effect the removal of such a usurper.

As an attorney and sitting U.S. Senator, I'm sure you agree that our Constitution is the cornerstone of our system of governance. It is the very foundation of our system of Law and Order – indeed, it is the supreme law of the land. I'm sure you also agree that its precise language was no accident and cannot be ignored if Individual, unalienable, natural Rights, Freedoms and Liberties are to be protected and preserved.

As our next potential President, you have a high-order obligation to the Constitution (and to those who have fought and died for our Freedom) that extends far beyond that of securing a majority of the votes of the Electoral College. No matter your promises of change and prosperity, your heartfelt intent or the widespread support you have garnered in seeking the highest Office of the Land, the integrity of the Republic and Rule of Law cannot, -- must not -- be put at risk, by allowing a constitutionally unqualified person to sit, as a usurper, in the Office of the President.

No matter the level of practical difficulty, embarrassment or disruption of the nation's business, we must -- above all -- honor and protect the Constitution and the divine, unalienable, Individual Rights it guarantees, including the Right to a President who is a natural born citizen of the United States of America that has not relinquished his American citizenship. Our nation has endured similar disruptions in the past, and will weather this crisis as well. Indeed, it is both yours and the People's mutual respect for, and commitment to, the Constitution and Rule of Law that insures the perpetuation of Liberty.

As a long time defender of my state and federal Constitutions, and in consideration of the lack of sufficient evidence needed to establish your credentials as President, I am compelled to lodge this Petition for Redress of Grievances and public challenge to you.

Make no mistake: This issue IS a Constitutional crisis. Although it will not be easy for you, your family or our Republic, you have it within your ability to halt this escalating crisis by either producing the certified documents establishing beyond question your qualifications to hold the Office of President, or by immediately withdrawing yourself from the Electoral College process.

With due respect, I hereby request that you deliver the following documents to Mr. Berg and myself at the National Press Club in Washington, DC at noon on Monday, November 17, 2008:

(a) a certified copy of your "vault" (original long version) birth certificate;
(b) certified copies of all reissued and sealed birth certificates in the names
Barack Hussein Obama, Barry Soetoro, Barry Obama, Barack Dunham
and Barry Dunham;
(c) a certified copy of your Certification of Citizenship;
(d) a certified copy of your Oath of Allegiance taken upon age of maturity;
(e) certified copies of your admission forms for Occidental College, Columbia
University and Harvard Law School; and
(f) certified copies of any court orders or legal documents changing your name from Barry Soetoro.

In the alternative, in defense of the Constitution, and in honor of the Republic and that for which it stands, please announce before such time your withdrawal from the 2008 Presidential election process.

"In a government of laws, the existence of the government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy."
Olmstead v. United States, 277 U.S. 438, 469-471.

Thank you for your understanding and cooperation in this matter.

Sincerely,

Robert L. Schulz,
Founder and Chairman, We The People Foundation for Constitutional Education, Inc.

http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/UPDATE/misc2008/Obama-USA-TODAY-ad.htm
--
The authentic human being is one of us who instinctively knows what he should not do, and, in addition, he will balk at doing it. He will refuse to do it, even if this brings down dread consequences to him and to those whom he loves. This, to me, is the ultimately heroic trait of ordinary people; they say no to the tyrant and they calmly take the consequences of this resistance. Their deeds may be small, and almost always unnoticed, unmarked by history. Their names are not remembered, nor did these authentic humans expect their names to be remembered. I see their authenticity in an odd way: not in their willingness to perform great heroic deeds but in their quiet refusals. In essence, they cannot be compelled to be what they are not.
-----

Two BREAKING NEWS DEVELOPMENTS - BERG v. OBAMA ; WE THE PEOPLE - USA TODAY FULL PAGE Article

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 11:45 PM
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1. Already thrown out of court.
Hawaii had no trouble coming up with his birth certificate.
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amdezurik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 11:48 PM
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3. heh facts get in the way of asking for money?
HA I say HA!
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 11:47 PM
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2. You know, I've never seen Philip Berg's Birth Certificate in my life...
...which leads me to believe he may be a citizen of North Korea.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 11:48 PM
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4. I heard on the radio that Allan Keys was backing that
group today.
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CLG_News Donating Member (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 11:49 PM
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5. Um, I don't care if Obama was born on *Mars.* Do they actually...
think we give a f*ck, and want an overthrow of the results of the election, so that the Reichwing maggots can reign for another eight years?
:eyes:

and

:rofl:
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 11:49 PM
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6. Bunch of freeper Repuke a--holes.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 11:54 PM
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7. a whole lot of FAIL in that email
nt

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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 11:55 PM
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8. Don't worry, Joe Lieberman will handle this......n/t
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Trekologer Donating Member (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 11:59 PM
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9. Birth Certificate or not...
...here's a response:

Barack Obama's mother was a natural born citizen therefore any children of hers are automaticlly naturally born citizens, no matter where they are born. Its in the Constitution. Go read it.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 11:59 PM
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10. Desperate freepers rip off other desperate freepers
:eyes: I wonder how much money the site owner has made so far, and is that legal?
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 12:09 AM
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12. they are very desperate
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 12:04 AM
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11. Hmmm. Can we list DU's paypal account to receive those donations? nt
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 12:11 AM
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13. I've got an uncle in Nigeria that can probably help them out, let me find his address
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 07:28 AM
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24. LOL!
I was thinking along the lines of sending them money from Kenya or N Korea or some place with a really low exchange rate.
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WinstonSmith4740 Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 12:15 AM
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14. I may be wrong about this...
But I thought as long as you were born TO an American citizen, it didn't matter where you were born, you were still a citizen of this country. Otherwise, there would be an awful lot of kids born to military families stationed overseas that would not be citizens. Besides, wasn't McCain born in Panama?
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 01:02 AM
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15. No
My dad was American and my mom is Portuguese. He was Air Force and I was born in Bermuda on a military base. I had to go as a child before a judge and pass an oral test to get my naturalization papers when we moved back to the states. I was in third grade I think and it scared me to death. Might be different if both parents are American citizens or if the mom is? I don't know.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 03:36 AM
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19. That's right, Mojo
Might be different if both parents are American citizens or if the mom is?

The gender of the parent that is an American citizen makes a huge difference. Isn't that just so quaintly archaic?? :)
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 01:27 AM
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17. Not all countries...
Edited on Wed Nov-19-08 01:31 AM by Lost-in-FL
unfortunately I cannot think of a place right now. I believe if you were born in Turkey (even from American parents) you are Turkish first and need to apply for US citizenship. But don't quote me on that.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 03:33 AM
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18. You are correct
I am an American living in Australia. My daughter was born in Australia, making her an automatic Australian citizen. To get my daughter American citizenship, all I had to do was provide proof of MY citizenship. Voila! My daughter became an American citizen, complete with passport and SSN, just like that.

If one parent is an American citizen, the child is able to apply for citizenship. If the mother is the parent that is the US citizen, as is the case with Obama, then the citizenship for the child is much easier to obtain. There is some resistance to fathers who are U.S. citizens claiming citizenship for their children because of the common practice of men in the military going overseas and taking up with a "local gal" who wants to become a U.S. citizen. But even then, U.S. citizenship is usually given to the child.

But of course, all of this is completely moot since Obama was born in Hawaii, which is after all, a state in the United States therefore making him a natural born citizen of the U.S.
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colinmom71 Donating Member (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 08:25 AM
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26. Citizenship is automatically granted to children born...
where *both* parents are American citizens. It is also automatically granted to children born on USA owned soil, such as actual US states, US armed forces' bases, and embassies. Obama was born in Hawaii after it had been admitted into statehood by the USA. McCain was born on non-USA owned soil (town of Colon, Panama) but to a married couple who were both born USA citizens, giving him US citizenship upon birth regardless of the location of his birth.

This birth certificate issue is indeed non-issue for both candidates....
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Mollis Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 01:12 AM
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16. Do they think
that he would risk his entire Presidency and future career if it all came down to a birth certificate?
Anyway, I thought we went through this. It is quite desperate on their part.
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Tom Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 03:44 AM
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20. Fuck that shit, man
Pardon my language but it's not worth the effort...no matter what proof or arguments you can come up with will not persuade these nutbags whatsoever. They need to be marginalized...The task at hand is too important...Millions of people really need help!!!
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 04:00 AM
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21. palin is first in line here, ready to go on day one, standing around
and also with a fist full of her birth certificates if need be therefore and also as.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 06:46 AM
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22. This is so ridiculous. It was all put to rest ages ago.
Hawaii produced the birth certificate ages ago. These loons simply refuse to acknowledge its legitimacy, is all. What's more, they allude to the existence of completely nonexistent "reissued and sealed birth certificates in the names Barack Hussein Obama, Barry Soetoro, Barry Obama, Barack Dunham
and Barry Dunham" to add an air of otherwise nonexistent mystery to the situation. They also demand things that no natural-born citizen of the United States (as Obama is) even has, such as "a certified copy of your Certification of Citizenship" and "a certified copy of your Oath of Allegiance taken upon age of maturity." What hooey. Same thing with "certified copies of your admission forms for Occidental College, Columbia University and Harvard Law School." Even if those existed (what the hell is an "admission form"? There are "admission applications" and "admission letters," but what the hell is an "admission form"?), what would THEY have to do with Obama's citizenship? Then they want "certified copies of any court orders or legal documents changing your name from Barry Soetoro." What if his name never WAS Barry Soetoro? And even if it had been, so what? Bill Clinton once had a different name. Gerry Ford once had a different name. No one ever asked them for copies of legal documents related to the changing of THEIR names.

No, this "demand" will be ignored like all the others, because it deserves to be.

It's all about this: By even making it, these right-wing nutjobs are setting themselves up deliberately so that they can get away with regarding Obama as an illegitimately seated president and his every act as a criminal offense, and refuse to recognize his position as Commander in Chief, his appointments, or any laws he signs. In other words, they're preemptively declaring themselves unrequired to acknowledge that he even IS the president, or that any of his actions while in office have any merit whatsoever, or that they have to follow any laws he signs or any military directives he gives.

Well, all I can say is, that's the same thing many of us did in our hearts after the "results" of the 2000 and 2004 elections.

I guess they are free to see how refusing to acknowledge the legitimacy of a president works. I'm afraid to break it to them, but it really doesn't work out so well.
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kay1864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 07:27 AM
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23. "NUMBER TWO"
How apropos.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 07:32 AM
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25. Fools And Their Money...
This is rich!!! And how much did this email ask for? $100? $500? Just send in the enclosed card with your Credit Card & SSN and just let them suck your account dry? And there are sure to be fools who want soooo bad to believe this they'll throw good money after bad at these shitstains and always are told there's still "more to be uncovered".

In their desperation the wingnuts sure are hanging with some real winners...bloodsuckers like Bev Harris and the like who will gladly play their frustrations into a nice profit.
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 08:40 AM
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27. Pretty stupid lawsuit
A Hawaiian birth certificate = a baby born in the US. No two ways around that.
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