REC this if Rick Warren giving the inaugural invocation is WRONG

[Truth Teller]

n/t

[PVnRT]

1. K&R

:kick:

[SCantiGOP]

241. possible good outcome

maybe everyone will boo during the invocation

[eleny]

2. With a kick

[Hepburn]

3. Kick...n/t

[Mari333]

4. k

[riley3]

5. Just goes to show that they are still in charge.

[proud progressive]

268. who the fuck do we think we are kidding? once a whore, always a whore

[NashVegas]

6. I'd Rather See Billy Graham Get Off His Death Bed

[Divine Discontent]

52. Billy Heavens Yes - Rick ---- HELL NO! eom

[RufusTFirefly]

60. My vote would be for that other Rev. Billy...

Reverend Billy & The Church of Stop Shopping

Seriously though. Is Obama really that tone-deaf? WTF was he thinking?! This move isn't going to win him any converts, but it's sure going to create some more infidels.

[Joey Liberal]

68. Yes! Let Rev. Billy do it! nt

[latebloomer]

74. Oh Yeah!

Love me some Reverend Billy!

[Daemonaquila]

223. You've got my vote, too!

THAT would be a rockin' awesome way to start the new presidency.

[d_b]

271. holy shit that's gold.

[Island Blue]

217. No. Billy Graham has a great deal more to do

with the rise of the religous right than most people realize. (Go read "The Family by by Jeff Sharlet.) Isn't there a nice Unitarian minister avaliable? Enough already with fucking right wing fundies.

[earth mom]

7. Fuck the fundies!

:puke:

[rhett o rick]

59. Go ahead if you want. Not my cup of tea. nm

[Deep13]

108. Fucking fundies is unnatural and makes baby Jesus cry. nt

[rhett o rick]

112. Trying for a come back, but I got nothin nm

[Ken Burch]

206. I'd agree that it's unnatural, but it wouldn't make Baby Jesus cry.

Hurl massively, maybe, but not cry. Except perhaps with laughter.

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

8. K&R

[ThomWV]

9. Wouldn't bother me a bit if Reverend Wright gave it.

[Truth Teller]

12. A far better choice! n/t

[Hepburn]

35. Ditto. n/t

[FailureToCommunicate]

122. I second -third- Rev Wright. He would warm up a cold January day!

[sasquuatch55]

228. ME Too!

[barbtries]

70. i'd love to see that

the country could actually learn what an intelligent and open minded man he is.

[ooglymoogly]

82. I'm ditto on that....would show O really does have the guts

to make the changes promised.

[emilyg]

94. Or bad judgement.

[66 dmhlt]

238. Remember Obama UNinviting Rev. Wright for his candidacy announcement

... in Springfield, IL on the steps of the Old Capitol?

Time for a reprise, so UNinviting Rick Warren would be all "Wright" by me.

[charlie]

10. Definitely *wrong*

And politically stupid.

[Glorfindel]

11. Yes, it's wrong

K&R...

[ipfilter]

13. Why not skip the invocation all together.

Separation of Church and State and all of that...

[Bluebear]

15. We have to have Jesus Take The Wheel

:crazy:

[charlie]

29. He HASN'T been driving?

Cripes, they lied to me. No wonder we've wound up in a ditch.

[wizstars]

257. No, he's been drinking--(always the wine, you know)

[Divine Discontent]

51. Oh, Sweet JESUS, yes, take the WHEEL! great line Bluebear

I am OUTRAGED! and sickened that this homophobic annoying guy is going to do it - this is my shocking story of the day I guess, every day I get one that just disgusts me...

Really, Barack??? Really???

[bertman]

87. That would be Jahayzus to you, Bluebear.

[SammyWinstonJack]

114. !!!

:thumbsup:

[Daemonaquila]

224. 'Ya think?

The courts have ruled that prayer before the homecoming game isn't cool. SO WHY IS IT OK DURING THE INAUGURATION??????

[Maineman]

252. My idea exactly

[Sebastian Doyle]

14. The "purpose driven" thread

Purpose here being to KEEP THAT FUCKING HOMOPHOBIC PIECE OF SHIT OFF THE STAGE. :puke:

[Truth Teller]

20. You got it

there is no rationalizing this one away.

[Maven]

16. It is wrong.

[Duende azul]

175. Perhaps we should be happy that Jerry Falwell was not available for the occasion

[GaYellowDawg]

17. I don't like it.

I thought Warren ambushed President-elect Obama at his forum. If I'd gone through that, I wouldn't have anything to do with him. However, it appears that pragmatism outweighs emotion by a LONG shot for our president-elect. He obviously feels that this move is good for something. Or perhaps they're buddies who viewed the ambush as just politics. I don't know. I just know that I don't like Warren and I don't think he ought to get to do the inaugural invocation.

[scorpiogirl]

18. K & R

[dbonds]

19. Its extremely wrong.

There really could hardly be a worse pick other than Pat Robertson.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

21. Wrong 10x.

[musette_sf]

22. K&R and go to change.gov and say so!!!!!!!!

[pecwae]

23. Wrong.

But looks as if you feel that way you're branded an 'outrage junkie'.

[yardwork]

24. It is wrong. Warren is against women's rights, gay rights, science....

I can't imagine why Obama chose Rick Warren to give the invocation at his inauguration. There are thousands of better choices. This is very disappointed.

A mistake by the Obama team.

[SammyWinstonJack]

116. Maybe it wasn't a mistake?

:shrug:

[Chulanowa]

117. Pretty simple

He's trying to look post-partisan. So long as he does that, all that will happen is pissing off his actual base (that is, us) and making a fool of himself in front of the people he's trying to impress.

every new presidency does stupid crap like this as a "gesture of goodwill" in some form or another. I'm going to second (third? Fourth?) the reccomendation of Rev. Wright... but I know that would never happen.

My advice? Slap your head and groan, but don't read too much into it. This is Obama's "empty gesture to people who won't care" moment. He's still new at this, remember. He's good, but not perfect.

[unapatriciated]

130. Yes he is more than homophobic ........

He would like to take rights from a lot of us and return to the good ole days where women died in childbirth or in back alleys.

"He criticized Obama's answers at the Faith Forum he hosted before the election and vowed to continue to pressure him to change his views on the issue of reproductive choice."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=251256&mesg_id=251256

[HillWilliam]

25. Rec with a kick

I'd kick and rec twice as a gay man.

[Pacifist Patriot]

26. *sigh* I was hoping I was going to get the call. Not sure why, but I have an instinctual distrust...

of clergy who write self-help books and found what becomes the fourth-largest church in the country. Call me crazy.

[rucognizant]

218. You're not crazy...........

The man is a commercial, slickster hustler! All Merikan con man! I get realy false vibes from him.

[Stinky The Clown]

27. Wrong on so many levels ......

.... not the least of which is that stupid fucking beard he sports.

Seriously, this really is wrong.

I'd rather have Reverend Wright. At least I know where he stands and I pretty much agree with him.

[SidDithers]

28. So wrong it makes my teeth hurt...nt

Sid

[EFerrari]

30. So wrong.

[pleah]

31. K&R

[AlinPA]

32. An antiscience, intolerant slob giving the invocation. This is the first time I've complained

about Obama. The guy preaches that the earth is 6000 years old and that all the species (2 each!) of the earth fit in a 350 foot boat.

[madrchsod]

33. "purpose driven life"...to make himself rich

by spinning new age mumbo jumbo with christ`s message.

to bad he has to tarnish such a great day

[Betsy Ross]

34. SO WRONG.

I just shook my head when I heard this. But then you didn't expect an Imam did you? :sarcasm:

[Joe Bacon]

36. Rick Warren can take his Prop H8 and stick it up his ass!

Fuck him and his beloved Ayn Rand version of Christianity!

[Better Believe It]

37. K & R

[dbackjon]

38. As I said on another thread

Fuck you Obama, because that is what you are saying to me.

[jpak]

39. K&R

n&t

[defendandprotect]

40. It's a message from those in control ....

and it's not the message we need to hear --!!

[rhett o rick]

57. I said some thing similar in another thread. Obama can't do it alone. He needs "the good ole club"

[Libertyfirst]

173. I was taught by my grandfathers that the first law of politics was

"to dance with them what brung you." The damn "good ole club" sure didn't do that. I have defended Obama all over the web since practically the day after the election. This I cannot defend. To ask a bigot like Warren to share in the ceremonies is unconscionable. I'm skipping the ceremony and closing my checkbook.

[Ken Burch]

204. He doesn't need to care more about our enemies than about us.

The point of the election was supposed to be that our party and our coalition weren't out in the cold anymore.

Not that we were just going to have to settle for being JUNIOR partners in whatever operation sets up shop.

[RufusTFirefly]

41. Don't fret. It's all part of His plan.

:sarcasm:

[2QT2BSTR8]

42. K&R! Absolutely awful first step! Very disappointing!

[spiritual_gunfighter]

43. When I read this

I was fucking speechless, seriously what is Obama thinking?

[prostock69]

55. At first I was pissed too. However, after some thought, I have

come to the conclusion that this is simply a political move on Obama's part to reach out to the fundies. He's not relinquishing any power to them or opening up the door for them to sneak in. Obama is not all of a sudden, going to kill the stem cell research or try to get Roe vs. Wade reversed. He's trying to be everyone's president. He needs everyone on board in order for us to get out of this mess. I feel Obama asking Rick Warren to to the invocation is an attempt to bring the fundies into the fold. That's all. But make no doubt about it, if Rick Warren or his ilk overstep their bounds by trying to influence or manipulate Obama on any of his decisions, he'll put them in their place. The reality is these people are future voters which Obama will need in order to win in 2012 where the top GOP opponents are an Evangelical, Baptist and Mormon. He's playing the game. The difference between Bush and Obama is intelligence and that he can't and won't be manipulated by them. He talks about this in his book "The Audacity of Hope". I have full confidence in Obama.

[Newsjock]

61. Why should I 'reach out' to someone who's determined to deny me my humanity

And why should Obama embrace intolerance in his inner circle? He knows better. Poo on that.

[rpannier]

63. I see...

So who will be next...
The Aryan Brotherhood?

[Ken Burch]

203. The only people he's given a damn about(at least publicly) since the election

are the people who voted AGAINST him and who will always disagree us and him on everything.

Does there EVER come a time when the Democratic coalition stops being told to shut up and wait?

When we stopped being dissed for Obama's notion of "the greater good"?

What will be the excuse if this goes on AFTER 2012?

Remember, Clinton was supposedly going to be GREAT in his second term.

[rucognizant]

219. It isn't even..........

his ideology, although as a progressive I am very pro abortion/gay marriage................( live & let live)
The man is a fraud! He elicits the same "involuntary hurl reflex that palin does.

[bonnieS]

242. How about reaching out to me?

It is obvious that Obama's super cool political mind will not allow him to insult rightwingers or Republicans. He does everything he can to see that they feel all cuddly and warm in his arms. However, he has no such qualms when it comes to gays or women. Since most of us will fall into line in the name of "faith in him" no matter what he does, he has no need to court us, or to give us anything. Because his followers are just as blind, he is just as dangerous as Bush, only more subtle. This is an absolutely disgusting slap in the face, and not to notice it is to prove him right--he can walk all over the people that worked for him and put him in and they will smile beatifically.

[formernaderite]

249. true its not a political mistake but

its an ethical one. However, Obama didn't win because of gay support. He won because across the board americans voted for him. Prop 8 won because a lot of minority dems do not support it, and they came out to vote Obama into office. Obama himself, came out against gay marriage so I don't know why there's a surprise here anyway. You win some, you lose some.
Let's all remember the bigger picture.

[Christa]

44. K & R nt

[randr]

45. Obama may have to kiss a little rightwing ass

but why should he decide to kiss the asshole?

[Libertyfirst]

99. agree absolutely. n/t

[jhrobbins]

46. K&R

[williesgirl]

47. More proof the fucking DLC is still in charge no matter who we vote in. rec'd

[Individualist]

49. No doubt at all about that

[sellitman]

48. This turd linked any way with our side is sad and unforgivable.

Not one of Obama's best decisions.

By a long shot.

[Lugnut]

50. K&R n/t

[FreeState]

53. Its beyond wrong - its disgusting and a kick in the face n/t

[Overseas]

54. K&R !! Very disappointing! //nt

[proud2BlibKansan]

56. Yes

K and R

[beam me up scottie]

58. Even more wrong than hiring Donnie "homosexuality is a curse" McClurkin to campaign for him.

We were told to sit down and shut up about that too.

[tekisui]

62. KNR! Big mistake.

[tandot]

64. K & R

[EFerrari]

65. Kick

[Tuesday_Morning]

66. it's a lousy idea

k & R
:kick:

[Joey Liberal]

67. He's a poor choice nt

[barbtries]

69. i rec'd it before i asked

but isn't he the preacher who had the interviews with obama and mccain and mccain somehow knew the questions before they were asked?

if you have the time and the inclination, tell me more about why i rec'd this thread. from a separate thread i gather he's homophobic?

[Truth Teller]

126. Aided the fight for Prop 8 in California

Denying gays the right to marry.

[unapatriciated]

134. This is Rick Warren

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=251256&mesg_id=251256
He is more than a homophobe he is against Women's Rights and stem cell research.

[City Lights]

71. K&R nt

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

72. Oh God Some People Give A Fuck About The Most Irrelevant Damn Things.

Guess there's a never ending supply of things to get all outragey and whiney about on here. So friggin ridiculous.

[ColbertWatcher]

77. Outragey? Excuse me, but the correct word is ...

... outraginess.

Get it right, or I will start a petition.

[Lautremont]

79. You're outraged about people being outraged.

You lose.

[Fumesucker]

85. Eh, what if someone was chosen who wished to totally shut down breast cancer research?

Saying that research into cures for breast cancer were denying the will of God that women die from breast cancer?

FWIW, my mother died of mestastasized breast cancer so I would find such a person to be totally unacceptable.

[SammyWinstonJack]

145. .

:yoiks: and :thumbsup:

[mwb970]

226. How does raising this hypothetical contribute to the discussion?

It's bad enough that everyone is complaining about something minor that hasn't even happened yet, now are we to righteously criticize made-up, hypothetical events that definitely will not happen? Why?

I'm sympathetic about your loss, I just don't see how your comment applies to the Warren question. Nor why there even is a "Warren question".

[DS1]

248. After clicking on printer friendly mode to see the ignored

There was no surprise to see who it was.

[SidDithers]

95. Separation of Church and State is only irrelevant to you apparently...nt

Sid

[Nightflurry]

103. My Status as a Human Being isn't "Irrelevant"

I'm sorry if I want human rights. I guess I'm just whiney and outrageous.

[KG]

270. now, now. where would the status quo be without its idiot supporters?

[Name removed]

109. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Maven]

152. Oh, there you are! Taking a break from your same-sex-induced nausea to share some wisdom.

Bravo!

[Name removed]

154. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Zenlitened]

196. Yet another for the Great Moments in Douchebaggery files!

You never disappoint, do you?
:rofl:

[hfojvt]

211. you really think it is irrelevant that he just seemingly said FU

to a bunch of his supporters who are already quite angry about Prop 8?

[Moochy]

251. dont you have some puppies to kick?

[NashVegas]

260. When a President Gets Elected Via Marketing Tools

Image is everything.

[Marrah_G]

269. OMC- You just dropped a few notches on my scale of respect.........

Obama's choice is offensive and hurtful, the same way David Duke or Farrahkan would be.

You might not agree with those who are upset, but your lack of compassion and empathy surprises me.

[Moochy]

297. Your surprise surprises me

[kenfrequed]

278. Yeah great point

Why would we want a liberal man of god to stand up and represent? Why seize on any symbolism that would be useful to our cause when we can make even that subordinate to making nice with the conservatives.

You do realize to justify the support of the progressives, without which this victory would have been impossible, there will have to be a very aggressive, public, and dramatic policy put forth.

DLC triangulating will not really inspire or accomplish much, after all what do we have left that we can compromise on?

[gristy]

73. I was very surprised to see his name on the program

:(

[ColbertWatcher]

75. ANYONE saying prayers at a state function is WRONG! n/t

[Bucky]

76. Well, you're a recommedations whore, but I'll play this time

That doesn't make me a recommendations john, by the way.

[Laelth]

78. Double wrong. n/t

The United States is a LIBERAL Country.

:dem:

-Laelth

[sarcasmo]

80. Kick.

[Peggesis1]

84. I'm shocked, too

BTW: I was trying to figure out the difference between invocation and benediction. Basically, I think the invocation comes first and the benediction is essentially the last word, as I understand it. Warren is leading off with the invocation. Lowery will do the benediction, which will, it seems, give him the last word. Maybe, the effect will feel like a moving from past to future. OK, that still doesn't make me feel much better.

[sarcasmo]

86. This is no way Change.

[unapatriciated]

140. they are similar...

invocation is a prayer asking for God's help and benediction is a blessing asking for God's protection.

I hope God helps the Rev. see the light on his bigotry.

[Joe Bacon]

81. It is wrong.

No way around it.

[Fumesucker]

83. Happy to kick this over 200 recs.. n/t

[KitchenWitch]

88. I only wish I could rec this 100 times.

[Brazenly Liberal]

89. It is SO wrong

[tritsofme]

90. I have no idea who Rick Warren is.

But, if I did, I still wouldn't care.

[Ken Burch]

93. Pastor of Saddleback Church.

Came up with "The Prosperity Gospel"(I.E., if you're wealthy, if means you're morally superior).

Big Proposition 8 backer in Cali.

No way this guy should be in Obama's Inaugural.

[Ken Burch]

91. Shoulda been Jim Wallis. Or maybe Jesse.

There's no difference between having Prosperity Gospel Guy do it and having Pat Robertson.

[OnionPatch]

161. I second you on Jim Wallis. He is a voice of reason and inclusivness

within Christianity at a time when our nation could really use that perspective.

[ciking724]

92. Big, big, big mistake

Very dissappointed

[sandyd921]

96. K&R!

[Dukkha]

97. we have our work cut out to enlighten our prez

he is way out of line on this issue

[mascarax]

98. I hope this is a joke, but apparently not

I am totally against it

[LiberalHeart]

100. Obama jumped the shark.

[cboy4]

101. K-R

:kick:

[slipslidingaway]

102. K&R n/t

[RufusTFirefly]

104. Tinfoil time: Could this be Rove's greatest triumph?

I swear we're going to eat ourselves alive before Inauguration Day has even come and gone. And perhaps with good reason.

Hoodwinking the Left or the Right works the same basic way: Create a huge disturbance with a social issue -- legitimate or not -- and then, while everyone's thoroughly distracted, roll back regulations, destroy unions, further privatize the shrinking public sector, and generally rob the Treasury blind. (That's essentially the phenomenon that Thomas Frank discussed in "What's the Matter with Kansas?")

But wait a minute.

This is Obama not Bush. And Rove is not supposed to be his advisor.

Then how can this happen?

Something about this decision just doesn't smell right.

Frankly, despite Obama's pattern of misguided overtures toward "bipartisanship," I really can't believe he's this tone-deaf. After all, choosing Warren will win him very few friends and is almost certain to alienate a lot of supporters. A lot. Even those people who stuck with him following the selections of Emmanuel, Summers, Gates, etc., are starting to break off at this point.

I can believe that Obama may secretly be a hawk or that he's a closet DLCer, but an enabler for a backward, homophobic minister who preaches the Gospel of Money? It just doesn't make sense. Obama is a smart and savvy guy and yet this is a very self-destructive, ham-handed decision. Worse than that, it's a punch to the solar plexus and a knee to the groin for some of his most ardent supporters.

So was he somehow forced or tricked into this choice? That's what I'm wondering.


:tinfoilhat:

[readmoreoften]

118. I'm only shocked that its happening so hard, so fast.

Besides his speeches--and speeches are animals that live off vague language--he's ideas have always seemed a combination of hard-right (Summers, Holder, Council on Foreign Relations) and traditional "Great Society" (public works programs, "green"). I expect the combination of the two will be "public works initiatives managed by a subsidiary of a subsidiary of Halliburton." He is worse on faith-based funding than even Bush. I'm really curious to see what happens with the labor appointments.

To me, this is message being sent out to us: you have no allies, including me. Expect nothing.

[BlueJac]

105. Change?

[1776Forever]

106. Check out my post on another posting about this - Warren supported Prop 8 article....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7991410&mesg_id=7992417

[Deep13]

107. He's a fucking con artist who looks in the mirror every morning...

...and asks himself, "How can I rip people off today?"

[smokey nj]

110. Wrong on so many levels.

[Joe the Liberal]

111. Fuck Rick Warren....

:kick: what is Obama thinking?

[slackmaster]

113. As an Agnostic I am having a hard time making myself give a shit who reads the invocation

Symbolism seems to carry a lot of weight with my DU brethren and cistern. I don't put much stock in it.

Five pages of hits searching for threads containing "Rick Warren" in subject or message in the last 24 hours.

[Tyler Generation]

144. a fuckin' men, nt

[harun]

232. Chalk me up for not giving a shit either.

[Somawas]

115. Shoulda gotten Jeremiah Wright.

[alarimer]

119. I think an invocation is wrong, period.

Stop with the religious bullshit on a day that is supposed to be about our SECULAR democracy.

But, yes, Warren sucks.

[slackmaster]

171. Yes, I think that's the real issue here if there is one

:nuke:

[malaise]

120. K & R n/t

[xocet]

121. Just Say NO to Rick Warren ET AL...

Separate the Church from the State already!

It does not matter who is giving the invocation. The whole idea of a religious invocation is ridiculous: this is government not an open religious forum.

It were better if someone were to stand up and read the Constitution to everyone. There are better and more relevant pieces of literature to cite for inspiration:

works by Jefferson
works by Paine
works by Washington
works by Cicero
works by Seneca
works by Plato
works by Popper
works by enlightenment philosophers
works by Marx
works by Adam Smith

Any of these along with an explanation or a questioning of why we are where we are at this moment in time would be better than a formulaic appeal to any particular supernatural being whose value system is inevitably fixed at a point centuries if not milennnia before the present day.

However, if the invocation must be done, let's make the content fit the practice and find a priest to invoke the Powerful Storm-God of Hatti, Ishtar of the Countryside, and the Thousand Gods to witness Obama's oath! (Unless of course you would dare to discriminate against the Hittite religion, you dog!)

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Remember to nominate Dick Cheney for a waterboarding merit badge to the Longs Peak Council of the BSA.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1KidHSnKZJs/SUSC4NtBTKI/AAAAAAAAAAU/hBXuo-Hpy30/s400/BSA+Waterboarding+Merit+Badge+512x182.jpg

[girl_interrupted]

124. I don't think Rick Warren deserves the honor of speaking at the Inaugural

It might be one thing not to approve of gay marriage, I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion. But to give it to someone who actively supported Prop 8, who made it his business to deny others a right we all enjoy, is a bit much. I don't think he deserves the honor of speaking at the Inauguration. I can understand why gays might feel like it was a slap in the face. Just makes me sad.

[Vanje]

123. I'm disappointed

[Timbuk3]

125. Faith based funding is wrong, too

As far as I know, he intends to continue that, too.

Disclaimer: I generally support Obama, voted for him, donated to his campaign. I reserve the right to call him out when he's actively working against my beliefs in what's best for this country.

[WeDidIt]

127. I've decided to boycott watching the inauguration over this

No way will I support this prick.

[Truth Teller]

129. Like trying to enjoy a cold beer someone pissed in

I'm not yet to boycotting it, but this sure takes some luster off that day.

[rateyes]

128. .

[NMDemDist2]

131. yeah, that's pretty fucked up

couldn't he find a freakin progressive preacher dude?

like that guy Franken used to have on his show now and then....

like this guy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Wallis

[Initech]

132. If he does, the government must take away his precious tax exempt status.

[gratefultobelib]

133. I hate the choice of Warren.

[Missy Vixen]

135. It's a huge slap in the face to not only our LGBT brothers and sisters

It's offensive to women as well.

Surely there was another minister in this country that is not a bigot and would be able to give the inaugural invocation.

Julie

[Sarah Ibarruri]

136. It is wrong for Rick Warren to have been chosen - WHY choose him???

He asked his congregants to vote for Bush in 2004. I don't understand why Obama would have this man do the invocation. In FACT, why is there a RELIGIOUS invocation needed when this country was founded on the freedom of religion? No wonder this whole country is f'd up.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

137. We need to go to change.gov and tell them that we don't want Rick Warren doing the invocation nt

[Libertyfirst]

167. I have already been to Change Government and told them

I am appalled at the selection. Obama had to approve it. I do not regret maxing out to him, but far more costly was the investment I made when I had the audacity to hope.

[LeftCoast]

138. K&R

:kick:

[Duende azul]

139. k & r

[grassfed]

141. inexcusable

Rick Endtimes Warren
Madam Obliterate Clusterbomb SOS
Rahm Likud Emanuel Gatekeeper


This is bad.

I'm hanging in there for now.

[rucognizant]

222. Not to mention

Tom Vilsack Flies with Monsanto, in private jets! Sect of AG!
Warren's innvocation only lasts a few minutes...........
Tom, Pro-agribusiness, GM seeds, eythanol Vilsack is for FOUR YEARS!

[Dragonfli]

142. just made it 300 /nt

[Barack_America]

143. Wrong, inexcusable and terribly disappointing. nt

[dana_b]

couldn't agree more.

I'm really bummed about this like a lot of others here.

[AndrewP]

146. Fuck Rick Warren

[redsoxrudy]

147. Never thought I would say this

but, to Quote Hillary"Shame on You Barack."

[Skittles]

148. honestly, it ruins the inauguration for me

it makes me sick :puke:

[Faygo Kid]

149. Just got home late from work. Pleased to pile on.

Rick Warren is a fraud. Mark my words, his hand is in the cookie jar.

Not to mention his theological stances. And most obvious of all, he set up Barack with that joint appearance with John McCain.

This is utter garbage. I'm not a religious person, but there are many fine priests, pastors, rabbis and others who would lend dignity to the proceeedings and a true sense of compassion. This fraud isn't it. Shocking.

[FloridaJudy]

150. Obama didn't choose him

I was surprised to learn that Congress picks the pastor. That said, Obama really should have advised them that this was bound to dismay some of his most dedicated supporters and told them "This isn't appropriate, folks. Please choose someone else".

I'm not a Christian, but I would be thrilled if Jim Wallis had been chosen.

[waiting for hope]

160. Jim Wallis is a decent man and

has a very practical view on religion and faith. He would be a great choice.

[Individualist]

162. You apparently haven't read this:

http://inaugural.senate.gov/media/releases/release-1217...

"The program participants were based on requests from the Presidential-elect and the Vice President-elect."

[Ken Burch]

205. Er...who CONTROLS Congress?

C'mon guys, we didn't need to break a filibuster to choose the inaugural chaplain.

Or we could at least have chosen the chaplain January 3rd, when our ranks increase.

We didn't have to let this one go down on RW terms.

[David Zephyr]

151. It makes me gag. Giving this charlatan any more "credibility" is deplorable.

Gag.

[racaulk]

153. Absolutely wrong.

K&R!!!

[politicalmajority]

155. It's Wrong. Rick Warren Is a Conservative Southern Baptist Pastor

My heart is with Southern Baptists suffering from some of their pastors who are purely evil. My heart is not with Rick Warren.

http://stopbaptistpredators.org/index.htm

[glinda]

156. Sends the wrong message.

[Two Americas]

157. a call for solidarity

"Post partisanship" means letting the right wingers into the discussion. When you let them in anywhere, you run the risk of letting them in everywhere.

I stand in solidarity with the GLBT community, without hesitation and without qualification. Many have described very well how destructive and insulting this is.

I trust there will be no name-calling, no personal attacks nor smears, no accusations of disloyalty leveled against those who object to this inaugural invocation selection. Virtually all people here will stand in solidarity with the GLBT community without question.

Now...

For those supporting sustainable agriculture and safe food, they see the selection of Vilsack for a cabinet position as wrong, yet have been under vicious attack for expressing that position.

Those who are deeply disturbed about foreign policy have expressed their reservations about Gates, and come under attack for that.

Environmentalists have reservations about the Salazar appointment - and they have been mocked and ridiculed and smeared.

I could go on and on as everyone here well knows.

One common smear leveled at the "far leftists" - anyone expressing any reservations about any cabinet appointment, where the appointees are in a position to do more than send a message, but actually set and control policy - has been to call the critics "a minority" - not important, not to be taken seriously, who are just pushing their narrow personal agenda and who should be despised and ignored.

Rights denied to any threatens the rights of all.

- The right of people to be adequately housed and fed, and have access to medical care.

- The right of people to organize in the workplace and bargain collectively.

- The right of the people to be free from arbitrary arrest, detention and torture.

- The right of the people to privacy; to be free from wiretaps and spying by the government.

- The right of the people to control public resources and public utilities.

- The right of the people to have a free press, and fair access to media.

- The right of the people to be free from war crimes committed in their name, and financed by them.

Those criticizing the cabinet appointments are motivated by a desire to protect those rights, and they have just as much justification to be alarmed by the appointments as we do to be alarmed about the selection for the inaugural invocation. Certainly, even if we disagree with those who believe that the cabinet appointments threaten those rights, can we not at the very least agree that people have the right to express those reservations and to be heard and taken seriously, and to be free from the name-calling and attacks when they express their opinions?

Are we ready to stand together? In each area, the enemy is the same. Can we not yet see that?

[waiting for hope]

159. I'd rec your reply if I could.

Bravo, TA!

[Two Americas]

169. hey

Good to see you.

:hug:

[waiting for hope]

179. You too!

:hug:

[Maestro]

165. I'm with you because so far except for few instances

Obama's cabinet is not impressive to me and in fact worrisome and I certainly do not like this inane choice for the man of the cloth who will give the convocation.

[Ignis]

274. That post deserves its own thread.

Excellent! :woohoo:

[Lilith Velkor]

298. Solidarity, bro!

:fistbump:

[Iwillnevergiveup]

158. Feel like Tom Cruise jumping up and down on Oprah's couch

"No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no."

K&R

[Ken Burch]

296. Well...other than the fact that Tom was HAPPY when he did that...

...Or just improperly medicated, it's still not clear...

[Maestro]

163. Holy S*&^%!

So instead of choosing a truly religious person, Warren, a megachurch "pastor" is chosen? WTF? How inexplicably stupid is this?

[Wizard777]

164. Obama should be weary in trying to give conservatives and republicans their way.

Because if conservatives and republicans had their way. He wouldn't be President. It's really that simple.

[alittlelark]

166. It is wrong w/ a CAPITAL W.... for me,

He has NO value that I can discern.

That said - I'm assuming the Obama team made a calculated move choosing him. He is the 'pastor figurehead' to many of those who voted AGAINST Obama.

Obama is trying to pull in as many Americans as possible - he knows how bad things are going to get over the next few years.

This country is in a divided, polarized, propaganda (religious included)induced state of cognitive dissonance.



I'm assuming this is a very well calculated move..... Honestly, WHY would he pick this parasite if not out of NEED.



The next few years (+/-) are gonna REALLY SUCK. He needs to have as many of us as he can pulling TOGETHER.

It's not gonna be pretty.



(I posted this in another thread as well)

[SidDithers]

168. C'mon, folks, get this to 400 recs...nt

Sid

[rpannier]

191. As of now 404 recs

[SidDithers]

230. About to hit 500, but 600 would be even better...nt

Sid

[muntrv]

170. It is wrong. Barack should have a UCC minister speak.

[Ken Burch]

202. Or somebody from the Metropolitan Community Church.

While I backed Obama in the primaries, I agree that it's gays and lesbians he should be reaching out towards, not gaybashers. People who buy Warren's view of the world are never going to want to work with us anyway.

[RetiredTrotskyite]

213. I was thinking the same thing,,,,

he should have chosen Rev. Mel White or the Rev. Troy Perry. They preach love and inclusiveness, not hatred and divisiveness.

[Ken Burch]

295. Mel White especially, since he escaped from the Falwell lifestyle.

n/t.

[veness]

172. K&R! n/t

[JEB]

174. American Ayatola of Homophobia

Why give this misogynistic, homophobe a platform to give his view credence? Is this a way of thanking all the Gay people and Women who supported Obama?

[EFerrari]

176. Omg. Look at this beautiful thread.

[keepCAblue]

198. Rec #414

[EFerrari]

201. Hey! Don't forget to check into our CA forum for the thread there

to contact Pelosi and Feinstein. :hi:

[Irishonly]

177. Wrong

and depressing

[Maat]

178. I despise that homophobic asshat, Rick Warren.

Barack, how could you? I am SO disgusted!

x(

[MrsBrady]

180. not just wrong, but reeeeeeallllllly wrong n/t

[tomp]

181. still waiting for change. nt

[rpannier]

192. It's beginning to appear that the change is

Changing from the left toward the reich

[tomp]

239. when has it been otherwise?

the left never gets a seat at the table. the demcorat, as all coproatists, despise the left, will do anything to disempower the left.

they will, however, gladly take our votes, then kick us to the curb. the only question is, when will we learn.

[LSK]

182. K&R

[mondo joe]

183. It's wrong. But as a gay DUer, I was told to shut up here for observing Obama's connections

to similar religious bigots.

So I'm not so surprised to see more of the same.

[balantz]

184. What a statement he is making. Wrong in this far leftie's book. n/t

[Bette Noir]

185. Now it's time to go to change.gov

to let Mr. Obama know how we feel.

[bluedawg12]

186. Really, really wrong . K&R.

[Skarbrowe]

187. I said months and months ago there would be no change. But,

just like with Bush, it keeps getting worse and worse. I'm not saying any other Democratic presidential candidate might not have picked this creep to do that religious crap ( yeah, I'm angry), all I'm saying is that I didn't think Obama would be bringing all that much "change" politically. I feel that his election has helped in other ways, historically for us and to the rest of the world, but....ok..I'll stop and take a breath and hope Obama gets past this, too, and still does great things. Geez. I guess we will always have to kiss Christian, uh, cheeks. I wish Obama and all of them would read what so many of the founders of this country had to say on this subject. grrr

[puebloknot]

188. K&R Obama didn't get his nose rubbed in it enough when he went to Saddleback!

This is disgusting beyond any words to express it.

Good thing Obama won't need my support in the future because he isn't going to get it.

[Warren Stupidity]

189. Error: You've already recommended that thread.

[lenegal]

190. kick

n/t

[eridani]

193. Yes. It's wrong n/t

[IntravenousDemilo]

194. Why is there even a need to invoke some imaginary sky-spook, when the country has REAL problems?

I'm REC-ing this because I think anyone giving an inaugural invocation is wrong.

[LuckyLib]

195. Obama indicated that he would make mistakes. Count this as one of them.

In the whole country, he couldn't find one wonderful woman minister or rabbi? One theologian who could bridge the fundies and the "rest of us" gap with some well spoken words about our common humanity?

He scraped the bottom of the barrel for this one.

[Rhiannon12866]

197. Wow! This has to be some kind of record! K&R.

:kick:

[donheld]

199. That's just so very wrong!

[bobd0]

200. K&R -- You're kidding, right? Obama is starting to worry me now.

Change?

Warren belongs in a cone of silence.

[Dystopian]

207. KandR. Rick Warren is repulsive. eom.

peace~

[enigmatic]

208. It's wrong

Way, way wrong.

This disgusts me.

[machI]

209. It is wrong, and I don't like it

I can only assume that President Obama is attempting to send a message to the American people as a whole, but throwing a small part of his constituency under the bus does not strike me as a good way to do it.

[bfealk]

210. Jim Wallis would be a better choice

[Pastiche423]

212. Recommended

[CadenBlaker]

214. Well..

Sure, it's wrong. However, I personally did NOT like being ignored the last eight years because I was a liberal. I think Obama is doing right by governing from the center and representing everyone. Sure, Warren is a fundie douche bag, but he represents millions of people, who like it or not, are Americans just like you and me.

[cal04]

215. K&R

[Heidi]

216. Recommendation 468.

:kick:

[km1550]

220. Sigh...

Obama continues to dissappoint me -- having once again spit in the face of those who propelled him into office.

[TexasObserver]

221. K&R.

In the words of Lot's daughter, "fuck him."

[Ganja Ninja]

225. A disappointed K & R

:wtf:

[sasquuatch55]

227. K&R

becoming disillusioned.

[lonestarnot]

229. Guess he didn't realize the significance. Dumb ass!

[humbled_opinion]

231. How about some real Change

Why do we need to have invocation? Lets change that, I will use a Fundie argument. The founding fathers in their wisdom decided that there needed to be a distinct seperation between church and state so that one did not influence the other.


Obama can just skip it, having warren in the mix just leaves a suspicion that Obama may be influenced by the hypocrites on the Right?

[Reeta77]

233. A very sad and confused K &R.

This hurts.

[rhett o rick]

234. Will you settle for a kick. nm

[Enthusiast]

235. Recommended!

Give these right wing fucks no quarter. These fundies are the enemies of my country. And, no, I'm not gay.

[Enthusiast]

236. Very disappointed in Obama. nt

[bdamomma]

237. this goes over the top of embracing your enemy doesn't it?

[Philosoraptor]

240. Fuckin A sure the fuck IS

[BoneDaddy]

243. Not if we believe what Obama said he would do

Obama is attempting to heal the incredible rift between left and right. We will not survive if we are at each others throats. I do not like it, but I do think it is a good idea. Reaching across the aisle is not a bad thing. If we are to heal as a nation, it has to be done.

[Libertyfirst]

272. Then where is the racist representative on the stage. Don't see sign one of the Klan.

Or has racism suddenly vanished from the good ole usa?

[snappyturtle]

244. Poor choice. We all know where Ric Warren's 'Purposeful Life' leads...to $$$. nt

[Brewman_Jax]

245. K&R

:kick:

[TexasObserver]

246. CNN has a vote on this topic. Link here.

http://www.cnn.com/

on right, scroll down

[MADem]

247. Why are people here so surprised?

I voiced objections to his pandering to that bunch of bigoted, intolerant jerks almost a year ago. I was told to STFU, because Obama can do no wrong and doesn't MEEEEAN it. He was just "pandering" to get votes. Not to worry!!

Well, Kirbyjon Caldwell and Donnie McClurkin showed us that he DOES mean it. They showed us a YEAR ago. Now Rick Warren is showing us again, just in case we didn't get the hint the first time.

How many times do people have to be hit over the head? This guy is a center-right type, to the left of Bush, certainly, but not by as much as many were hoping. He's not "change" and the DLC isn't in charge or bullying him about, either (an absurd suggestion, that). He's got his own agenda, he wants to consolidate power and shut up any detractors that have clout and can cause him agita, and he's in charge.

You can't go blaming anyone else but the guy with the title who won the election--he's NOT a "victim," he's the BOSS. And the boss is throwing our Queer as Folk friends and relatives under the bus.

He doesn't HAVE to pander. He's got a healthy legislative majority and a reasonably decent "mandate." So why IS he pandering? This isn't "reaching out," -- it's an active affirmation of his long-held beliefs; beliefs that became apparent during his South Carolina Gospel Tour during the primary. He's making SURE that the point is MADE.

He is not to blame, though, for "deceiving" his acolytes--Obama straight-out TOLDJA so. He did NOT LIE. He has been honest, if homophobic and bigoted, on this issue ALL ALONG. No one wanted to listen, hear or believe, though, because it didn't match the self-created fiction of a tall, well-tanned, fist-bumping Kucinich-type uber-left superhero that all of the Change-Progressives had created in their own mind.

The Next Big Mistake he's making is shoving Caroline Shlossberg down the nation's throat. That's a real lead balloon, that. I hope he makes the call and allows the NY governor to pull back on that lousy, nepotistic choice. If he's gonna pick a Kennedy, pick RFK JR--at least he's done some "real" work.

I wish the Democratic Party would get out of the habit of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. I also wish they'd stick to the party platform. It helps the "enthusiasm" quotient.

[Moochy]

250. K&R

[Maineman]

253. Uh Oh, now security will have to deal with shoes

[13 Hawks]

254. Only if he's in a cone of silence!

[scytherius]

255. It is, but . . .

And not only is one of my closest friends gay I have gay family members and am somewhat echoing their sentiments.

While no one on "our side" likes this, let's wait and see what Obama does on the issues. He's proven himself to be a genius and handling the opposition. If this kind of thing gets us liberal judges on SCOTUS, passage of the Act that codifies Roe v. Wade (mind just went blank on the name), and support of gay issues . . . well . . . we can take this.

Remember, the Right's BIGGEST mistake was immediate overreaching which has killed the GOP. Not saying we should be cautious, BUT, well, let's give it all some time to play out.

[jaundicedi]

256. If you really must have a southern Fundamentalist preacher...

Why not ask Jimmy Carter? Seriously.

[Liberal_Dog]

258. K & R

[kestrel91316]

259. K&R Keep the Christofascists OUT of our government!!!

[devinkay]

261. On the other hand...

OBAMA: "It’s important for America to come together, even though we may have disagreements on certain social issues. And I would note that a couple of years ago, I was invited to Rick Warren’s church to speak, despite his awareness that I held views entirely contrary to his when it came to gay and lesbian rights, when it came to issues like abortion.

What we have to do is be able to create an atmosphere where we can disagree without being disagreeable and then focus on those things that we hold in common as Americans" (Think Progress).

Obama's base is America. Get it? That's what Change looks like. Give the man time to lay his groundwork. It isn't necessarily going to be your agenda, but it's more likely to pave the way for it. Obama understands that spitting on one's enemies has never changed anyone's mind. We all benefit in an environment of civility and mutual respect for disparate views. Someone has to be the first to offer the olive branch. If a year from now the nation hasn't begun to swing toward more progressive positions you can say "I told you so," but until then your fickle fair-weather lack of support helps no one, including yourself.

[unapatriciated]

262. k

Error: You've already recommended that thread.

[asdjrocky]

263. I haven't checked in much lately and I came here just to add how wrong I think this is.

[waiting for hope]

286. Hey Rocky!

:hi: Nice to see you!

[asdjrocky]

299. Great to see you too!

Hope all is going well.

[autorank]

264. k*r It's wrong

For the reasons stated all over the place. But there's one more.

It's wrong because there should be NO invocation at all, no religious trappings whatsoever.

So it's a double trouble event.

The guy, Warren, will probably apologize for being a fool;)

[Joey Liberal]

265. Warren is just like Rev Wildmon from the AFA

This choice is scary.

[Lucian]

266. #580.

[Tarc]

267. Yet another slap in the face to our GLBT community

I am ashamed.

[jgraz]

273. Why the fuck does our secular govt need an invocation from ANYONE?

:shrug:

[mistertrickster]

275. We need to get an ON-LINE PETITION going pronto. I didn't work my ass off for this man

so that he could disrespect my core beliefs on his first effing day in office.

Rick Warren, the "Christian" bigot, is NOT ACCEPTABLE to this straight Christian male . . .

[beac]

276. K&R.

But I am REALLY hoping this is another case where Obama is wiser than me and there is SOME rational reason for this. I sure can't see one now. Warren is ANYTHING but 'post-partisan.'

[Better Believe It]

277. It's Wrong

K & R

[Deep13]

279. This makes Moses, Mohamed, Buddha, Vishnu and nonexistent cry!

And don't get me started on Mary Madonna who is just plain ripshit!

[mentalsolstice]

280. It reeks of major suckage

Hopefully, Obama can find his way out of this.

[drgonzosghost]

281. YEAH! He should have picked a damn Druid!!

[AntiFascist]

282. K&R, not the change I was looking forward to n/t

[katty]

283. very poor choice to say the least-i'm amazed

[newtothegame]

284. Agreed. Sorry DU'ers, but this is what we bought when we insisted on a "historical candidate"...

instead of a liberal one.

[katty]

285. indeed-is this Obama's choice?! or someone else? - what

is the backstory on this choice?!! this really sickens me.

[Kajsa]

287. It's wrong,

and a huge mistake to have him giving the inaugural invocation.

Obama should pick someone else.

[NightHawk63]

288. As much as I like Obama...

...this really leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I understand wanting to reach out to right wingers. But, the ones I know, wouldn't support Obama is Jesus Christ himself told them to. So I don't support this decision in the slightest.

But nobody asked me, did they?

:-(

[Two Americas]

289. I voted for exclusion

I voted to exclude certain ideas from government, to exclude the people promoting those ideas from having access and influence, from having a platform, from being given any legitimacy at all.

I voted to exclude bigotry.

I voted to exclude torture.

I voted to exclude war crimes.

I voted to exclude corporate domination of the government.

I voted to exclude off-shoring of wealth and jobs.

I voted to exclude bailing out the wealthy and powerful.

I voted to exclude Reaganomics.

I voted to exclude privatization.

I voted to exclude the war on the poor.

I voted to exclude the destruction of organized Labor.

I voted to exclude profiteering on medicine and food.

I voted to exclude neglect of the homeless and the suffering.

I believe this is what the people voted for, as well.

"Inclusion" means welcoming in those who have been previously excluded, not welcoming in those who have dominated the media and the government for years.

[mistertrickster]

290. Guess what. Joe Biden just sent me an e-mail for money. Here's the e-mail

address for your well-worded response.

[e-mail]

Mine was Dump Rick Warren Now and don't bother asking for money or anything else until you do.

[Eyerish]

291. This is So So wrong...

legitimizing that horrible man in front of billions of people should not be the message we are trying to convey to the world.

[Amimnoch]

292. K&R I don't even know what to say it's so disappointing.

[valerief]

293. Any religion is soooo wrong in a government event. nt

[YOY]

294. Error: You've already recommended that thread.

Fuck the fundies. Nothing short of a theocracy will make them happy.

We're not talking about religious folks...we're talking fundies. Fuck them. Fuck them with a chainsaw. There is nothing remotely Christian about them.

[Qanisqineq]

300. Error: you cannot recommend threads more than 24 hours old

Sorry! I tried.