I keep saying I will wait for the first hundred days to really decide

[GreenPartyVoter]

on what I think of how Obama is running the country, but I am getting tired of giving him pass after pass after pass on some of his questionable (or downright detestable) decisions in the meantime. I was already feeling extremely frustrated over the "Unity (but not for progressives)" bit and now the Rick Warren thing just has me feeling sick at heart.

:rant:

That is all. Thank you for hearing me out. *hanging in there for that first 100 days*

[SpiralHawk]

1. Vilsack to head USDA has caused me to feel nearly HOPELESS...

...about perversions & abominations that are going to continue to be perpetrated upon our food and our land: corporate mutant genetically engineered cloned irradiated crapola food-facsimile processed product on our plates, from raped and lifeless soil-facsimile petrochemically-drenched growing media formerly known as soil, and massive, immoral, shit-gushing animal-prison feedlots.

Ptooey. I am losing my appetite for this Administration even before it takes office.

[GreenPartyVoter]

2. I hear that, hon *hugs* Seems like it will never be time for progressives to get anywhere

in this country.

(And before the "He never said he was progressive or left or whatever" people pile on, I know that. But would it hurt to have placed a few who are in important positions? To me unity meant picking from all over the spectrum, hence the reason why I feel we on the "left" got burned.)

[Dhalgren]

4. The left didn't get burned, we don't matter - and we haven't

for a while. The only way we will ever get any influence is by voting and money donations. We need to stop voting Democratic and stop giving Democrats money. If we did that, then maybe the Democratic power structure would treat the left differently. But the left will not withdraw support from the Dems and as long as the left will support Dems while Dems ignore the left, it will go on and on.

Just my two cents (before the flaming starts)...

[GreenPartyVoter]

5. Oh, I know. They want our money and votes, but not our ideas. :^(

[leftchick]

9. I feel the same way

I have lost hope for a decent future for my children. It gets worse every day. Tomorrow we get the repuke Lahood from Il for yet another corporate prick pick.

:(

[GreenPartyVoter]

13. :^( *hugs*

[conscious evolution]

3. I am teetering on the brink myself

More and more I am beginning to think it is time to leave this country.The fact that so many people continually fall for the bullshit we call politics leaves me with little hope for this country.

[GreenPartyVoter]

6. Yeah. :^( Where would you go?

[MiniMe]

7. Think of what McCain's pics would have been and wait for the 100 days

[GreenPartyVoter]

8. Well of course a beheading takes you out faster than a cut here and there, but those

cuts hurt just the same. :( That's all I'm saying.

[bdamomma]

19. now that's a scary thought, just imagine Palin in VP position.

we just have to fight back with our ideas, and make ourselves heard. Obama is not going to change things overnight, like he said it will get worse before it gets better, we all know that. It will be really interesting to see if any charges will be brought up on this murderous regime of Bush.

[GreenPartyVoter]

23. And there you have it. My main reason for voting for Obama and not my own party.

[BeFree]

10. Aren't you generous

You mean Obama hasn't catered to you, and you alone? My Gawd, we're doomed!

[GreenPartyVoter]

12. Thanks for replying without reading the OP.

[BeFree]

20. I read the damned thing

"..but I am getting tired of giving him pass after pass after pass on some of his questionable (or downright detestable) decisions in the meantime."

And that is generous of you. Not that your generosity matters one bit, but it is generous of you.

[GreenPartyVoter]

22. What about this part? "Unity (but not for progressives)" Where is Obama's generosity in

including progressives in his cabinet and other posts? Of he doesn't then can he really call it unity given that he has left out an entire side of the political spectrum?

Never said he had to cater to my every whim so I dunno where you got that idea from, but was adding a capable progressive here and there to some posts and therefore showing real unity too much too ask? I think not.

[BeFree]

24. Oh bullshit

Don't you know sarcasm when you see it? Why are you, above all others, so sensitive?

You rail against Obama, and when I rail against you you get your panties in a bunch, geez.
If you can't take the heat.....

Unity. Obama has pledged unity. "There are no red and blue states. Just the United States."
That is real unity, not your bullshit unity: "...I was adding..."

[GreenPartyVoter]

25. Pfft. My panties are in a bunch because you are rude and make personal attacks. Now your last

statement is actually worth discussing.

Why is "my" unity BS? All I am saying is it doesn't seem to be all that inclusive where progressives are concerned, so why not include them too? I never said that all appointments should be progressives, although that would be lovely. Just that there seems to be a stark lack of them which therefore undermines the concept of unity.

** really ticked me off by continually appointing clueless people in positions of power, or even worse exactly the wrong people for the job, ie oilmen to oversee environmental concerns or GM food growers overseeing organic regulations, that sort of thing. I am afraid that Obama may be doing the same thing in some cases. Is it so very wrong of me to speak out about that?

[BeFree]

26. Awww

I apologize for making you upset.

All 'they' are saying is that it doesn't seem all that inclusive where
conservatives/centrists/others are concerned.

Now do you see the disconnect? The Unity is that we are all Americans. Like 'em or lump 'em, it doesn't matter. What matters is that if Obama alienates 'them' all he has is 'us' and if that's all he has, he's failed. Don't you think?

[GreenPartyVoter]

27. I hear what you are saying, but it still leaves the possibility that he may be putting the

fox in charge of the hen house in certain posts. Does that part concern you at all?

[BeFree]

28. No

If they screw up, and they probably will - maybe, then he can fire them saying "I tried that route"
now we change course and appoint a radical. Obama is the fox. He's in charge.

I like it that way. I really do. I support him fully. Give it a year and we see if we were right or
wrong. We have real enemies to fight. Those enemies are what concerns me.

[GreenPartyVoter]

29. I'm all for giving him a chance. But he's making me a bit nervous here and there. I

hope you are right about your theory of "been there tried that" but we're in a hell of a mess and I'm not sure we've got a year to make a trial run, at least on some things, thanks to the royal screw-ups of **. x( (Global climate change for example, although so far I think Obama looks to be planning to work hard on that because it truly is a ticking time bomb.)

[BeFree]

30. There you go again...

...being generous. >>>> "I'm all for giving him a chance"

The alternative? Don't give him a chance. Which you are free to do.
Just don't expect us to sit back and listen to such drivel and not respond.

[GreenPartyVoter]

31. So, giving him a chance and speaking my mind about concerns is actually worse than

not giving him a chance at all? Are you saying I should have voted for my party instead of going out on a limb for Obama instead?

Not the usual approach taken here, to be sure.

And yeah, as one of his employers, I do believe I am being "generous" in giving my new employee a chance and the benefit of the doubt. Why are you so sure that's a bad thing?

[BeFree]

32. Bad?

I said you are being generous, sarcastically at first, but that was just to get you to respond, as you did.

Generous is good. Its just that it all sounds so condescending and all so self important. As if what you want is all that matters.

Obama is the president, and he knew going in that the arrows would soon be flying at him. So did I.
I just wasn't expecting the poisoned arrows coming from DU. My bad. Now I see.

Am I just supposed to sit here and let them fly?

[GreenPartyVoter]

33. What is poisonous about disagreeing with his choices? When I voted for him was I also

supposed to register for jackboots and lock-step marching lessons?

I think the problem here is that you think "As if what you want is all that matters" whereas I think "what I want matters." I _never_ said that what I want or think is _all_ that matters. I'm sorry you read my posts that way but I felt I was being pretty clear that I wasn't feeling that way at all.

So all your baiting with "generous" even though apparently I am completely selfish and your Ronnie Ray-gun quote and so forth accomplished what exactly? You protected Obama's honor? Was that it?

[BeFree]

34. Nah

But I do feel better knowing that I acted against the poison arrows. Arrows are allowed. It's the poisoned tipped ones that piss me off.

And now you are getting all po'ed again. Sorry 'bout that. But yes, you do seem selfish. Seems to be an extremist disease, from where I sit. Liberal and conservative and green extremists alike exhibit the same symptoms, don't you think?

[GreenPartyVoter]

35. No, I don't think so. For starters, I never indicated any extreme views in

this post. Nor was I showing selfishness.

You, however, made some pretty major assumptions about me just based on my screen name and the mere mention of progressives, apparently, without finding out what exactly was meant. Shallow and lazy, don't you think? (Sorry if that POs you in any way.)

I'd love to play this game some more, but I have work to be done. Take care and try not to become too much of a pin cushion for Obama's sake, at least not when it isn't even necessary. :hi:

[BeFree]

36. Well

If you ever explained EXACTLY what you meant maybe I would know?

I based my assumptions on your screen name and your history here, and your OP.
And it follows with all the poison that has been flung, tho, your's not so much poison as just selfish.

[SammyWinstonJack]

16. Uncalled for!

:eyes:

[GreenPartyVoter]

18. Thanks :^)

[BeFree]

21. Thanks

For your concern. I'll let it pass this time, just like the OPer is letting Obama have a pass. Damn, now I'm being generous! Must. Stop. Being. Generous. I must be my way or the highway!

[Donald Ian Rankin]

11. Wait 4/8 years before judging him. Or, better yet, 20.

At present, though, we *can* make predictions about how Obama is likely to run the country.

We can say "I think he *will* be a good/bad president". We just can't say whether we're right yet.

[GreenPartyVoter]

14. Sure we can make guesses, and based on some of these choices I am guessing

that things won't improve very much, at least in some areas based on who he has chosen to head those things up.

[Charlie16]

15. Yup - the jury is still out

Maybe I'm a pessimist, but I'd be surprised if he's just not another suit.

[GreenPartyVoter]

17. Welcome to DU. *wave* We can hope against all hope that things will turn out better than

expected. That's my plan for now, anyway.

[Fireweed247]

37. Witness Congressman Kucinich

He is the example of what happens when someone fights for the will of the people. He was fighting in the US Congress years before Obama came into the public view, leading the effort to vote no to the Patriot Act and the war in Iraq. He ran for president in 2004 long before anyone knew Obama's name but he could not get a speaking spot at the Democratic Convention until he promised not to speak about the war in Iraq and then he only got 5 minutes when no one was listening. Obama got the prime time speaking position and someone threw him a million dollar introduction party at the convention.

Someone doesn't get into the position Obama has by fighting for the will of the people, he has powerful people(DLC) behind him and he works for them first and foremost. I'm not expecting anything but disappointment at this point...I mean SHIT- Daschle?? We will never get universal health care...

I think they let Obama win this one(rather than stealing it again) because they want someone to take the fall for the mess Bush created, and yet at the same time Obama will continue Bush's policies like leaving the troops in Iraq, continue illegal wiretapping so as to give Bush credibility for what he has done.

[GreenPartyVoter]

38. Yeah, Kooch sure is reviled by some on here. Say what they want but

he has plenty to say that is of value.