Fort Worth "CHRISTIAN" Day Care..Uses spanking as potty training tool. Shut Them Down...

[Blaze Diem]

Kind, loving, "Christian" day care used spanking as a method of potty training.
This makes me sick, abusers hiding behind the name of God, Jesus and Christian to enable their desire for abuse.
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http://www.star-telegram.com/news/story/1099210.html

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Daycare fighting order to shut down over spanking
By DIANE SMITH


FORT WORTH — Miss Endy’s Playhouse and Christian Day School is fighting state efforts to shut it down after children told an investigator they were spanked for wetting their pants.

Daycare leaders deny the allegations but contend in court documents that spanking is a discipline option because the facility is a Christian school.

"This was overreaching on the part of Protective Services," said Michael Handy, a Fort Worth attorney representing the facility. He said the 38 preschool and grade school children attending it are safe.

But the facility is licensed as a child care center and is not an accredited private Christian school. Hitting by hand or with an instrument is not allowed in Texas daycares.

The Texas Department of Family and Protective Services sent the facility’s administrator, Wilbernita Kinney-Crosby, a letter last Friday telling her to stop operating the daycare-school.

The facility, located at 5837 Humbert Ave. in the Como area, was able to stay open this week after 348th District Court Judge Dana Womack signed a temporary restraining order Monday evening. A hearing on an injunction is set for Dec. 22.

"They are still open," said Marissa Gonzales, spokeswoman in north Texas for the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services, which oversees child-care licensing. "There is going to be an injunction hearing on Monday where we will present our evidence as to why we feel it’s important for them to stop operating."

School leaders have also requested an administrative review through the department. If the result of that process doesn’t satisfy school leaders, they could request a proceeding with the State Office of Administrative Hearings.

The facility, licensed in 1985, has approval to care for children 18 months old through the fifth or sixth grade, Gonzales said. It must meet the minimum standards for operating a daycare.

The state’s investigation started with an October complaint from an unidentified parent that a 5-year-old was left in urine-soaked clothes for more than three hours.

The state followed up with an inspection and determined that the child also had to repeat out loud that she "would not potty on herself" while in timeout. Investigators also cited about 20 deficiencies, including reports of corporal punishment and yelling and humiliating children.

Other children interviewed said they were spanked with rulers, spatulas, spoons or a caregiver’s hand as discipline for urinating on themselves, according to the letter from the state.

The letter also alludes to a 2005 citation against the daycare, after the state found that it had used inappropriate discipline with children, including spanking during toilet training. At that time, the daycare was placed under a corrective action plan and was supposed to determine appropriate ways to way to discipline children.

Handy said the complaint was triggered by a parent who failed to bring an extra set of clothes for the child, which is required by daycare rules. Court documents filed on behalf of the school allege that the parent was disgruntled and owes tuition.

Youngsters and parents were worried closing Miss Endy’s would disrupt exams and field trips planned for this week.

Many parents attended Monday’s hearing. Parents and children also wrote numerous letters of support that were filed with the court.
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How is this Christian?

[Bill McBlueState]

1. nothing non-Christian about it

Unless they're saying "Jesus was a fraud" or something like that while doing the spanking.

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

8. Right, because when Jesus said "Let the little ones come unto me"

He added in "so I can smack them an leave them in filth-soaked clothes" under His breath.
:sarcasm:

[Bill McBlueState]

12. Someone could say "Let the little ones come unto me"

and still support the sick behavior reported in the article.

I think everyone knows that society's rightful opposition to hitting children is the product of twentieth-century research and mores, not of any specific position that Jesus or the early church took.

[musette_sf]

2. oh, but fundamentalist nuts are our FRIENDS now

we have to play nice with them and sing Kumbaya and turn a blind eye to all their crap.

[KittyWampus]

7. whoever said anything of the kind? Your use of overwrought hyperbole says volumes.

That said, my heart aches for the kids who may end up years later with psychological issues because of this.

Actually, my heart aches for all of us.

It sucks these people use Christianity as a fig leaf for anti-human behavior.

[musette_sf]

9. do you not see that this applies directly

to the Slick Dick Warren abomination? in one breath we are supposed to be horrified that fake Christians visit malice upon children, and in the next, we are all supposed to be okay about the Warren debacle and to now be tolerant of intolerant people who would do such things as in the original post? how does tolerance of evil move us forward?

[KittyWampus]

14. Being willing to do the hard work to change society doesn't mean you tolerate injustice

[musette_sf]

19. the time to invite the Dark Ones to the table

is NOT at the inaugural. it's a symbol, and i am getting the message loud and clear. women and gays who worked for, prayed for, voted for Obama are not as important as maybe getting a fundie vote. we're just supposed to shut up and go away, AGAIN.

[ck4829]

3. Hitting is Christian? Who came up with that one?

[Sub Atomic]

21. I thought it was the Christians.

Spare the rod, spoil the child or some such nonsense.

[Fumesucker]

30. The "rod" in that scripture is the shepherd's rod..

The shepherd does not use the rod to strike the sheep, it is used to gently nudge or push them in the direction you wish them to go.

[SoCalNative]

4. So....

"Daycare leaders deny the allegations but contend in court documents that spanking is a discipline option because the facility is a Christian school."

Spanking is allowed as long as it's in the name of Jesus?

[LibertyLover]

55. WWJS?

Who would Jesus spank?

As the mother of a 6 year old, with reasonably recent memories of potty training, let me assure this "school" that spanking doesn't help make toilet training go any faster than the kid is willing to go. And frequently it can set the kid back. What dingbats.

[Kalyke]

61. And why would you spank to toilet train?

Isn't the point is to get them comfortable with that area of their body so they know when to go (or ask to go). Seems to me that hurting their bottoms would make them LESS likely to feel comfortable with their private regions.

And, my 18-month-old daughter is already showing signs that she may want to train - she's telling us when she soils her diaper ("I STINK!!!") and pointing the the potty and saying, "Pee pee!"

I'll try it out while I'm off work for the holidays and see how she does. It may be too early and, if so, no one will be spanking anyone. We'll just give it up for another six months and try again.

[hamsterjill]

66. Maybe it is the daycare people who are uncomfortable with their own bodies

The story breaks my heart. I can only imagine the damage that has been done to these little children.

[sandnsea]

5. The swat is not the abuse here

Being left in urine soaked clothes and humiliated in time-out is the abuse.

Just goes to show that when people get to wrapped up in dogma they miss the rest of the picture, whether the dogma is right or left.

[TommyO]

10. The "swat" as you so disingenuously put it is most definitely part of the abuse

Did you miss, "Hitting by hand or with an instrument is not allowed in Texas daycares?"

[sandnsea]

18. It's illegal

which does not mean it was abuse, in this instance. A swat, even with a ruler, is not necessarily "abuse". Going after people who swat a child is why we don't have time to keep childen from being beaten up and killed. Or left in appalling and filthy conditions, like urine soaked for 3 hours. We've got to start being more discerning in our language.

[TommyO]

36. It's illegal, and it most certainly is abuse

If you have children, perhaps it's time they should be spanked/spanked/rulered by their daycare providers or teachers. You would be screaming bloody murder if that happened.

Shove it.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

11. I do think spanking for wetting...

is abusinve -- I don't think any child expert would say it would be the correct thing to do to a potty-training child.

[sandnsea]

16. No, it is not "abuse"

Swatting a 5 year old for wetting their pants will not leave lasting damage. Not just the swat.

The humiliation, however, absolutely would. The humiliation is much, much worse. In this instance.

[anigbrowl]

33. And spanking isn't humiliating? You're not making much sense, here.

Small children don't have a concept of temporal distance, which is why they squall so hard when they hurt themselves.

[dflprincess]

35. I have an elderly friend who has begun to have problems with incontinence

should the aides at her assisted living home smack her around?

Little kids have accidents because they often don't recongnize the urge to go until it's become urgent. And a child who has wets his or her pants in front of their friends, will be humilitated enough without an adult hitting them.

[sandnsea]

41. A child left in urine soaked clothes

for 3 hours is in much more danger than one that gets a swat on the butt.

As I've already said, which apparently such brilliant people can't read, it is not effective to spank a child for anything. But it is not necessarily abuse. We can't be chasing down every mother who ever swatted a child. It's just not practical.

[LeftyMom]

39. Hitting children is abusive.

Period.

[TommyO]

70. Not according to the brain dead sandnsea

Hitting a kid is perfectly acceptable in her world.

Anybody who hits a child, condones it, or dismisses it (as sandnsea) has is a reprehensible excuse for a human being.

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

6. Well you know the saying

Spare the rod and the kid will crap everywhere.

[MineralMan]

13. Aha...the James Dobson School of Child-Rearing Daycare Center

How nice.

[Dukkha]

15. how the hell is spanking an effective method to potty train?

physical punishment is the laziest and most unintelligent form of child rearing.

[sandnsea]

20. Ineffective does not equal abuse

Leaving a child in urine for 3 hours is also ineffective, and abusive.

[TommyO]

37. So, leaving them in urine soaked clothing is abusive

but physically hitting them isn't?

You are a sick, warped individual.

[sandnsea]

42. For 3 hours?

If you think it's better to leave a child in pee for 3 hours than to give them a swat on the butt - YOU are the sick, warped individual.

[TommyO]

44. Where the hell did I say that leaving them in urine soaked clothes was OK?

Both are abuse, it's a shame that you're so blind that you can't see that

[sandnsea]

45. 90% of adults report being spanked

You simply cannot call every spanking abuse, no matter how ill-advised it is. In the case of the day care it was illegal. If it hadn't been, it is the urine soaked clothes and other humiliations that create an abusive day care.

Way too many people focus on a spanking or a raised voice and overlook all the other behaviors that are often more abusive than they ones they are in a spin about. The reason they do it is because then they'd have to look at themselves.

[TommyO]

46. Yes, it was illegal, and it was abuse. Period

Why the hell are you defending these monsters who hit the kids?

[sandnsea]

47. I'm defining the real abuse

Because as I've said up-thread - when we allow children's services to be used for something petty, even if it isn't the best situation, we are missing some other child who will have broken bones or end up dead. Swatting a 5 year old for peeing their pants, in and of itself, isn't the worst thing in the world. It's stupid parenting and really bad day care. Leaving a child in urine soaked clothes for 3 hours in order to humiliate them, THAT is the long term traumatic abuse.

[TommyO]

48. Both hitting the children and letting them sit in wet clothing are abuse

Yet you continue to minimize the hitting. That is no less abusive or humiliating that the wet clothing.

Hitting children is not "petty"

Again, why are you attempting to defend the indefensible?

[sandnsea]

49. You define all "hitting" as abuse

and it simply isn't.

[TommyO]

50. Hitting a child for wetting themselves is abuse

what part of that are you missing?

[sandnsea]

51. Good luck rounding up all the parents

who have spanked their child for peeing their pants. Let's put every child services worker on that task right away.

[TommyO]

52. This was in a daycare situation

have you missed that little fact?

These were people who were legally barred from striking a child who did just that.

Why do you continue to defend the atrocious behavior of these assholes?


Do you beat your child?

[sandnsea]

53. I already said it was illegal

Because the state rightly banned corporal punishment in day cares. I never said otherwise. It's a good method of preventing real abuse down the road. Like humiliating children by leaving them in pee soaked clothes. Is that what you do to yours?

[TommyO]

54. Hitting children *IS* real abuse

What part of that are you not understanding?

[sandnsea]

56. 90% of adults report being spanked

It is not abuse. You are welcome to that opinion, but we cannot use our limited resources to go after every parent who chooses an inferior parenting method. That's why we don't have the staff to prevent murders and broken bones.

[TommyO]

57. So you justify your support for abuse because most people were spanked?

You are sick and twisted.

[sandnsea]

58. Spanking may be dysfunctional

It may be ineffective - but it is not abuse. The word abuse should be reserved for the most threatening situations. If it were, we wouldn't lose kids, physically or emotionally. I'm not sick and twisted. You are because you put your political ideology over the safety of children.

[TommyO]

59. Hitting a defenseless child is abuse

and most assuredly impacts their safety.

[sandnsea]

60. Oh it does not

You're being irrational and dramatic. Get a life. Bye.

[TommyO]

62. Thank you for supporting the physical abuse of children

[sandnsea]

63. Remains are Caylee Anthony

But you keep patting yourself on the back for your principled position against swats on the butt.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3652613

[TommyO]

64. What does Caylee have to do with this discussion

and why are you defending hitting a child?

Are you and abuser yourself?

[sandnsea]

65. I already explained it

Go read the thread again. Attacking me doesn't save children like Caylee, any more than chasing down every parent that ever swatted their kid on the butt.

Why is it more important for you to be an asshole to me than to actually ever do anything at all about child abuse in the real world? What does treating me like shit say about the kind of personality and tendencies YOU have?

[TommyO]

67. This wasn't about a parent who swatted their child

It was about a daycare provider who abused children in their care.

Why are you so damned insistent on dismissing their abuse of the children in their care?

[sandnsea]

68. By leaving them in pee soaked clothes

and humiliating them when they had an accident. Yes. That was the abuse. I said that.

[TommyO]

69. And hitting them

Why are you dismissing the hitting?

[sandnsea]

71. Because a spanking isn't abuse

It may not be optimal parenting, but it's not abuse.

And let me repeat, what would you call all the attacks on me that you posted in this thread?

[TommyO]

72. Hitting a child is abusive

and in this case, it wasn't a parent that was doing it, it was a day care provider. Not only is that abuse, but it's criminal.

Why are you defending the physical hitting and abuse of a child?

[PVnRT]

17. How can you be so INTOLERANT?

:sarcasm:

[Fleshdancer]

22. inflicting pain in response to a natural bodily function. FAIL.

Regardless of where one stands on the spanking issue, I think we can all agree that using spanking as a potty training method is wrong on so many levels.

I really can't tolerate this level of stupidity.

[Blaze Diem]

23. Me either. Nor can I tolerate the ignorant parents who actually support

this kind of training. They beat & shame their children at home also?

Sick society.

[Fleshdancer]

24. That is beyond all comprehension

I felt my daughter grow inside of me. I labored her then took care of her when she was at her weakest and most vulnerable. How does any parent go from that to hitting and humiliating their child or condoning others to do it a few years later? I just don't get it.

[gollygee]

25. There are people who would pay extra for that.

Very sad.

[damntexdem]

26. But it likely gets their message across: 'Pee in your pants, go to hell!'

Of course, #2 merits a lower circle in said institution. ;-)

[Blaze Diem]

27. (facility’s administrator), Wilbernita Kinney-Crosby must be PEEING HER PANTS about now,

at the thought of the State shutting down her "Christian" business.

[Matariki]

28. "Miss Endy’s Playhouse"?? Seriously?

Miss Endy’s Playhouse sounds like an S&M porn site with a focus on spanking.

Sheesh.

[SoCalDem]

29. Name change in order... "Spanky Pants Playhouse"..n.t

[Blaze Diem]

31. lol..This daycare deserves to be shamed and humiliated.

Calling it what it is.

[TexasObserver]

32. How fetishes get started ....

You'd think some of those people would try to read one fucking book about sane practices when potty training little ones.

[anigbrowl]

34. Maybe they'e getting a kickback from the local BDSM chamber of commerce

[TommyO]

38. No, those involved in BDSM consent, these children cannot legally consent

[anigbrowl]

40. You don't say

[silverojo]

43. Yeah, that makes sense...not

Spanking a child for not using the potty, thereby making his butt too sore to sit on the potty.

Real Xtian "logic" there.

They are nothing but a bunch of sick perverts who get off on abusing kids.

[surrealAmerican]

73. Sounds like the state of Texas was negligent here.

They've known about this since 2005, and have not moved to revoke their daycare license before now. I somehow doubt the "corrective action plan" included state inspections, or any consequences for those who committed the abuse originally.