lynndie england should be released from prison...she was following orders

[spanone]

all the people in prison for torture should be released and replaced by bu$h* & cheney

[itsrobert]

1. Following orders is not an excuse to violate the UCMJ

Sorry.

[Ilsa]

2. I agree. And Rumsferatu and the others should be arrested, tried and convicted. nt

[spanone]

3. she probably didn't carry the handbook...

[Frances]

7. You are correct

Remember how the two young marines were convicted even though they were following the orders of Jack Nicholson?

It was very sad, even though it was just a movie.

In real life, it is tragic. I think the young woman had learning disabilities and emotional problems that should have kept her out of the military in the first place.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

4. I'm for that nt

[MarkInCA]

5. American military are allowed to refuse an unlawful order

After WWII, the Military Code of Justice was changed to rule out the "Nuremberg Defense" of "I was just following orders".

She is as guilty as Shrub and Cheney.

[Hannah Bell]

8. bull.

[MarkInCA]

9. Not sure what you disagree with

But you certainly said it succinctly!

[Hannah Bell]

14. She's not "as guilty" as Bush & Cheney. Not in international law, & not by common sense.

"Command responsibility"

[bigtree]

6. new trial maybe

. . . bearing on the new evidence of her superior's complicity and responsibility. Maybe end up with time served.

[GA_ArmyVet]

10. She should serve her time like the criminal she is.

she is a disgrace to those who served honorably and to the soldiers who actually risked their careers and possibly their lives by reporting what was happening. What most here are unaware of, or have forgotten, is that the Army was investigating this prior to the Media discovery..and it was done because some very brave soldiers refused to take part in this type of abuse and snuck pictures out to the CID units in country. The CID then started the war crimes investigation which due to the FOIA was released to the media The fact that the superiors officers may or may not have been able to cover their tracks or were truly not involved is not relevant to her disposition..she is guilty. As guilty as everyone involved, be they a Private or a General...Now, I would agree that it would be fitting and fair if everyone involved had received appropriate punishment..now I have to tread lightly here as I am obligated by law not make disparaging remarks about certain elected officials or appointees, so I am not going to go down that road.

Bottom Line, I don't thinks its fair that everyone was not caught but that doesn't justify any lenience for her or generate any more sympathy for her.

[bigtree]

15. 'her time' should be determined in a fair trial

I think key evidence was withheld. It's not 'leniency' to expect her sentence to be reflective of her actual culpability. Right now, she's been convicted and sentenced as if it was all her own idea. The evidence suggests that it wasn't. That difference would be weighed in sentencing for anyone in her position, I believe.

[spanone]

19. i think our good 'commander in chief' and his vice should do their time.

after all, cheney says it's not illegal

[hfojvt]

11. isn't she already out?

Seriously, I thought she got like 18 months and had already served four before her trial or something like that.

Wiki confirms, she got out after 521 days

"England worked in the kitchen of a prison (Naval Consolidated Brig, Miramar) from which she was paroled on March 3, 2007, after having served 521 days.<2> She remained on parole through September 2008, when her three-year sentence was complete and she received a dishonorable discharge."

[bigtree]

18. on to the next incarcerated sap then

[kskiska]

12. Her boyfriend, Charles Graner, is the only one still in prison

Sympathy for Charles Graner

No one from the Bush administration has been held accountable for torture. But the guard from Abu Ghraib prison is still behind bars, and his family wants to know why.

Dec. 1, 2008 | PITTSBURGH, Pa. -- The detainee held on charges related to the so-called war on terror is clad in an orange jumpsuit. His wrists are shackled to a leather belt cinched tight around his waist. A short chain connects his ankles, so he can only shuffle down the barren hallways of the prison, escorted by a guard at each arm.

He has spent more than 29 months in solitary confinement over the past four years, allowed out of his narrow cell during some of that period only to stretch his legs, alone, for one hour a day. In solitary, he has almost no contact with other human beings. He is allowed no radio, no TV and, in a disorienting twist, no watch or calendar to mark the brutal grind of passing time.

With so little stimulation, the brain begins to work against itself. Prisoners in solitary have described delusions, even hallucinations. It can drive a man mad.

(snip)

You remember Graner, the alleged ringleader of abuse at Abu Ghraib who showed up in those harrowing photos back in 2004. He was the mustachioed man grinning eerily back at the camera, giving a thumbs up as he stood over the body of dead prisoner. The pictures remain some of the most notorious images from the war. He and other soldiers at Abu Ghraib forced prisoners into stress positions and frightened them with dogs, stripped prisoners naked, put hoods and women's underwear over their heads. Graner, a 36-year-old reservist from Pennsylvania, faced 10 counts under five charges: assault, conspiracy, maltreatment of detainees, indecent acts and dereliction of duty. He was found guilty on all counts, except for one assault count that was downgraded to battery, and sentenced to 10 years in prison.

more…
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/12/01/graner/

[SpiralHawk]

13. She's going to run for VP on the Palin 2012 Homelander ticket

You read it here first. The Homelanders who love Pale Horsin, will just, um, lap Lynddie up...

[ColbertWatcher]

16. Time served. Get her out. n/t

[ColbertWatcher]

17. Kick and rec. n/t

[maxsolomon]

20. so should John Walker Lindh.

the punishment (20 years) for what he did vs. the punishment for what they did is absolutely absurd.

maybe * will pardon him. :puke: :sarcasm:

[maxsolomon]

21. so should John Walker Lindh.

the punishment (20 years) for what he did vs. the punishment for what they did is absolutely absurd.

maybe * will pardon him. :puke: :sarcasm: