question: What's the dealeo with Clinton and Carter not liking each other?

[nashville_brook]

Did anyone else catch this on Olbie last night? I wasn't aware they have a public disagreement.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

1. It's well-known that

Carter was publicly and thoroughly disgusted with Clinton for the Lewinsky caper.

Who wasn't? I'm with Carter on this one.

[nashville_brook]

6. Yikes -- I forgot about that...

funny this didn't occur to us last night. you're right -- i've heard this.

and i totally agree.

[Winterblues]

11. Clinton lusted with more than his heart I guess.

:shrug: Carter is a good man but that doesn't mean Clinton is not a good man as well.

[SoCalDem]

13. They both lusted, but with different body parts

:rofl:

[Tangerine LaBamba]

17. I was always a Clinton fan,

and I backed him every way.

But he's not a good man.

A good man doesn't cheat on his wife. Over and over.

A good man does not disgrace the office of the Presidency as he did.

A good man doesn't get blow jobs from a young woman while he's in the Oval Office.

He lost me.

[Captain Hilts]

34. Okay...

FDR: Uh oh...

[Tarc]

18. Carter is still a bible-humper at heart

And unfortunately hopped right on the "Thou Shalt Not" bandwagon with the other Clinton condemners in the 90's, post-Lewinsky. It became the trendy thing to do.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

32. I'm hardly a Bible-thumper..........

In fact, I'm an old hippie chick who's been around the block a time or twelve.

But, honestly, what Clinton did was so low-rent and shameful, even I could not, in good conscience, defend him. He shamed his wife in front of the whole world, he degraded the office of the Presidency, and he made an absolutely filthy fool of himself.

The Bible has nothing to do with it, trust me. It's about vile behavior. Like what Clinton did.

[burythehatchet]

33. Calling Jimmy Carter trendy is a somewhat puzzling to me.

[Tarc]

37. As are a lot of things, I'm sure

[burythehatchet]

38. Indeed. The older I get the more I find that I don't know. When I was a young

idiot, I too thought I knew quite a lot.

[leftchick]

31. I thought it had more to do with

Clinton's Israel First positions as most AIPAC/DLCers do. That would make much more sense.

[Hangingon]

35. I think the Mariel boatlift was a factor too.

Lots of Cubans were at Ft. Scott and were not released on time. It was when Clinton lost for reelection.

[Taverner]

2. They never liked each other

I don't know why - but they don't

Always been like that

[bunkerbuster1]

4. Obviously, the two followed very different post-presidential paths

Clinton left office wildly popular, Carter didn't.

Clinton took all kinds of lucrative corporate gigs, Carter build houses and worked for peace.

I imagine their differences extend well beyond the obvious ones. I could see why they wouldn't like each other much.

[Taverner]

9. Pretty much, yeah

Just because they hail from the same subsection of America, doesn't make them alike

[malaise]

12. Ding ding

We have a winner.

[nashville_brook]

19. This is what I want it to be.

[Captain Hilts]

23. Carter HAD to redeem himself after his presidency, Clinton left with 70% approval rating.

That's just the way it is.

Dems were pissed at Carter for being so lousy at the politics of the presidency and looking so ineffectual against Iran.

[pointblank]

3. I think Clinton

banged Rosalynn back in the 70's...but I could be wrong...


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JK I don't have the slightest

[bunkerbuster1]

5. Hey, who didn't?

oopsie.

[nashville_brook]

8. blaahaahaha!

:evilgrin:

[Captain Hilts]

27. Okay, I'll admit it, I laughed. Thanks!

[Libby2]

29. LOL, me too. I'm ashamed.

[Recursion]

7. The DLC made Carter a scapegoat

And basically repudiated his Presidency.

[nashville_brook]

15. that's interesting...

i had never heard that but can imagine how that would be the case -- that there would be or campaign-based disagreement. I think I would rather our leaders have disagreements over policy rather than personal dalliances.

[Captain Hilts]

24. Um, no. Carter was a total centrist. nt

[dysfunctional press]

10. jimmy doesn't like the fact that bill didn't keep the lust in his heart...

but rather coated the inside of miss lewinsky's mouth with it.

[madokie]

14. I've been paying attention to President Carter since he was running for the Presidency

way the fuck back in '76 and stayed on top of Bill the whole time and yesterday was the first time I've read anything about that. I call bull, imo

[nashville_brook]

16. Olbermann and Wolfe mentioned it as if it were common knowledge; mundane

[madokie]

20. I just never seen it.

[Captain Hilts]

22. They both have good party manners and act like grown-ups. nt

[madokie]

25. And I had a lot of respect for and liked them both

I like Presidents who talk about the things that matter, not warmongerers hate like the last three neoCON pResidents we've had were.

[Captain Hilts]

26. I agree. nt

[Captain Hilts]

21. Few folks like Carter on a personal level. He's just not a 'people' person.

It really hurt him as Prez.

It doesn't matter.

[madokie]

28. I can see that could be true cause President Carter is really disciplined

or I've always seen him to be. That can make a person not be the party favorite for sure.

[Captain Hilts]

30. And too much the puritan. My folks didn't vote for him in '76 because...

as dad was a submariner, they didn't like the culture that Rickover had created among submarine officers. They noted that Carter was one of "Rickover's boys." The traits they cited ended up being the traits that sank Carter's presidency, though my mother voted for him in '80 and continued to support him.

There was a too linear, uncreative approach to decision-making in the sub force and a climate of obsessive control over details by officers over chiefs and sailors. In the sub force, it damaged the level of trust. In the White House, it just didn't work.

But Carter - and Hoover, another engineer - were two of the best men to have sat in the Big Chair. Wrong place, wrong time. Sad.

[kdpeters]

36. Carter had lust in his heart

Clinton had lust in his cigar.