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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 12:20 AM
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The GAME – Part 2: Consequences and Remedy
Edited on Tue Jan-13-09 01:14 AM by Time for change
I recently posted an article on DU that I titled “The GAME”, which drew so many excellent responses that one could write a book on the subject just by following up on all that material.

I began that post by noting the many unmentionable things in U.S. politics, and I concluded that the purpose of the censoring of so many important issues is the creation of an alternate reality among a critical mass of the American people. The belief in that alternate reality is necessary in order to convince the American people to continue to play the GAME that has been laid out for them by the GAME’s masters. For the actual reality of the GAME’s methods and purposes, I believe, is so terrible that if people consciously recognized it they would refuse to play, and the GAME would have to be radically altered or come to an end – peaceful or otherwise.

I then ran through a list of numerous questions that I have about the GAME – the truth being that I can barely perceive its shadowy outlines. I listed 6 authors and 9 books that I believe offer exceptional insight into the methods and purposes of the GAME, as well as 10 articles that I have posted on DU about 5 of those authors’ books. I discussed our stumbling into war in Iraq as a prime example of how the GAME is played. I discussed three U.S. Presidents since World War I who I believe refused to play the GAME in some major respect (FDR, Kennedy, and Carter), and the price they paid for that refusal. And then I engaged in speculation about some things, like how President-Elect Obama might fit into this picture.

But I left out a very important aspect, probably because I felt that the post was plenty long enough as it was: The consequences of the GAME. That’s what this post is about.


THE CONSEQUENCES OF THE GAME

Overthrow of sovereign governments, imperialism, and genocide

We are so often told how good and pure our nation and its people are that only a minority of Americans are aware of the extent of our many illegal and immoral activities, which include overthrowing or assisting in the overthrow of governments of sovereign nations, imperial conquests, and genocides. Many or most who aren’t aware of these activities would be shocked to learn about them and quite resistant to accepting that information as the truth.

The record is long and ugly. In myriad instances when we have overthrown or assisted in the overthrow of sovereign nations, we have either made them an American protectorate or else substituted our own choice of leaders for the previously existing legal government. In the good majority of these instances we substituted a repressive right wing government for one that was much more responsive to the needs and desires of the nation’s citizenry. Sometimes genocide was used to accomplish our goals.

The purpose of these activities has most often been to create a government that is friendlier to the desires of American businesses or corporations. We always have some sort of rationalization for our actions. During the Cold War, the rationalization was often that the sovereign government we overthrew was either Communist or susceptible to Communist takeover. In some cases, that might have actually been an important motivation for some or most of the plotters. I won’t argue that point here.

But even if and when that was true, the fact that a government of a sovereign nation is Communist is no excuse, legally or morally, to overthrow it or to make war upon it. The United Nations Charter has established only two legal conditions which justify the use of force against a sovereign nation: 1) Self-defense; and 2) UN Security Council use of force to restore international peace. Furthermore, the US Constitution specifies that we must abide by those rules, since we have signed a treaty to that effect. Thus, according to the Center for Constitutional Rights:

The United Nations Charter is a treaty of the United States, and as such forms part of the "supreme law of the land" under the Constitution, Article VI, Clause 2. The UN Charter is the highest treaty in the world, superseding states’ conflicting obligations under any other international agreement. (Art. 103, UN Charter)

Under the UN Charter, there are only two circumstances in which the use of force is permissible: in collective or individual self-defense against an actual or imminent armed attack; and when the Security Council has directed or authorized use of force to maintain or restore international peace and security.

I have previously discussed in some detail our history of overthrowing sovereign governments, imperialism, and genocide in this post. Here I will just summarize some of our most egregious activities:

Overthrow of sovereign governments
In his book, “Overthrow – America’s history of regime change from Hawaii to Iraq”, Stephen Kinzer explores all 14 instances of regime change, overt or covert, by the United States since 1893, including only those episodes where the intended regime change was successful and where the United States played the decisive role, rather than where it acted in concert with other nations or as part of a larger war (as in WW II or the Korean War). The 14 episodes describe regime changes in Hawaii (1893), Cuba (1898), Puerto Rico (1898), the Philippines (1899-1902), Nicaragua (1910), Honduras (1911-1912), Iran (1953), Guatemala (1954), South Vietnam (1963), Chile (1973), Grenada (1983), Panama (1989), Afghanistan (2001), and Iraq (2003). I describe the first six of these regime changes in detail in a DU post titled “The Roots and Consequences of U.S. Overseas Imperialism”, along with the consequences of our actions.

Genocides
According to the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, adopted by the UN General Assembly in 1948, Genocide is defined as:

Any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Fellow DUer Karenina once asked me if I considered our invasion and occupation of Iraq to constitute genocide. I told her that I didn’t think it met the technical definition of genocide because the intent was not to kill them, but to rob them, and the intent to rob them had nothing to do with their race or ethnicity, but only with the fact that they had something that the Bush administration wanted. I also told her that I didn’t think it mattered much whether it met the technical definition of genocide because killing hundreds of thousands of people for their resources is just as bad as killing them for their ethnicity, race or religion in my view.

Since then, I’ve rethought my answer to Karenina’s question and would answer it differently. One big problem with interpreting the definition of genocide too narrowly is that there can be a very fine and blurry line between killing for profit and killing for racial hatred, and sometimes the two are intermixed together so closely that it is next to impossible to differentiate them. And by the same token, there can be a very fine and blurry line between intentional killing and “collateral damage”. In other words, precisely assessing motives is often difficult or impossible to do with accuracy.

With that in mind, a book by David Model, “State of Darkness”, describes in detail U.S. involvement in several genocides. Cold War related genocides included in that book, are those against Guatemala (1954), Vietnam (1954-73), Indonesia (1965), Cambodia (1970-75), Laos (1969-74), and East Timor (1975). Model also describes our atomic bombing of Japan (1945) and our two wars against Iraq as examples of genocide, as well as the sanctions that we imposed on Iraq in between the two wars.

Other major illegal and immoral disruptions of sovereign governments
As described by William Blum in his article, “A Concise History of US Global Interventions, 1945 to the Present”, the United States intervened in eleven different South and Central American countries during the Cold War, including Guatemala, Costa Rica, British Guyana, Ecuador, Brazil, Peru, Chile, Bolivia, Honduras, Nicaragua, and El Salvador. The main purpose of these interventions was to facilitate changes to regimes that were friendlier to the United States (and in almost all cases less friendly to the indigenous populations of those countries.) For this purpose, we developed the School of the Americas, which was used to train native personnel in the techniques and ideology of insurgency and counter-insurgency.

An article on reasons to shut down the School of the Americas (SOA) provides a good description of what was involved, and can be summarized as follows:

It describes numerous atrocities committed by graduates of SOA, which are consistent with the SOA curriculum. While SOA torture manuals have been withdrawn, their content has not been repudiated by SOA, and some of the worst abusers continued to be honored as guest instructors for SOA courses.

School of the Americas training is oriented to support the military and political status quo in each country, which places the U.S. in opposition to any who seek free speech to discuss problems, alternative means to solve problems, or democratic means to change governments. More specifically, the enemy is identified as the poor, those who assist the poor, such as church workers, educators, and unions, and certain ideologies such as “socialism” or “liberation theology”. All of this just to make sure that Communists or “leftists” didn’t get a foothold in any of these countries.

Egregious Cold War related U.S. interventions in the Caribbean include (but are not limited to): our invasion of Cuba in 1961; U.S. Marine invasion of the Dominican Republic in 1965 to put down a rebellion against their repressive right wing government; and U.S. military support of Haitian tyrant and mass murderer, Francois Duvalier.

And Michael Parenti, in “Rulers of the Planet”, has this to say about our interventions in Africa:

US intervention in Africa is a story in itself. Through the World Bank and the IMF, US leaders have demolished African economies, including their public health and education sectors. Most African nations have sunk into a debt structure that leaves them in peonage to Western investors. US leaders also have fueled eleven wars on the continent, resulting in the death of some seven million people, with millions more facing malnutrition, starvation, and a deepening poverty. Washington has given arms and military training to 50 African countries (out of a total of 53), helping Africa to become the most war-torn region in the world…


Wealth redistribution from the poor and middle class to the wealthy and powerful

Extreme income inequality is a good indication that large segments of society lack the opportunity to make a decent living. In the late 1920s income inequality rose precipitously, to peak just prior to the Stock Market Crash of 1929, which precipitated the Great Depression. This chart plots income inequality in the United States over time, as calculated by the ratio between the average income of the top 0.01% of U.S. families and the bottom 90%:



In my last post (The GAME), I noted that FDR leveled the economic playing field with his New Deal, which began to be dismantled about a half a century later. Now I’ll adopt the persona of Al Franken for my next paragraph, since I love the way he writes:

Can you find the point on the graph where FDR’s New Deal began to be dismantled with the onset of Ronald Reagan’s economic policies? How about the point on the graph where the dismantling of the New Deal accelerated with the onset of George W. Bush’s policies?

Yet, prior to our recent recession, the Bush administration actually bragged about how good our economy was. Jared Bernstein, in his book “Crunch – Why Do I Feel So Squeezed”, discusses the apparent paradox of how the financial situation of so many Americans could be so precarious in the presence of such healthy “economic indicators”:

Over the course of this highly touted economic expansion, poverty is up, working families’ real incomes are down…. By 2007, 44% said they lacked the money they needed “to make ends meet”…

If you feel squeezed, chances are it’s because you are squeezed. Most of the indicators that matter most to us in our everyday lives… are coming in at stress inducing levels, but GDP… keeps on truckin’. Something’s wrong, something fundamental…

The name of the problem is economic inequality… It’s a sign that something important is broken: the set of economic mechanisms and forces that used to broadly and fairly distribute the benefits of growth… unions, minimum wages… full employment… quality jobs, safety nets, and social insurance…

In other words, the masters of the GAME have done a very good job of changing the rules in their favor, to increase their wealth and power at the expense of everyone else. But if we try to talk about that, they accuse us of “class warfare”. And politicians who try to make it a major focus of their campaign are aggressively attacked or ignored by our national news media.


REMEDY

I believe that the first step, and maybe the only requirement that is needed to end the GAME, is for a critical mass of Americans to become aware of and understand the GAME and its purposes. I don’t know precisely what that critical mass is. But once it is reached, politicians and our corporate news media will be forced to talk about issues of crucial importance to the American people that are currently unmentionable. And then the GAME will unravel for good.

But reaching that critical mass will be quite difficult. In November 1994, the National Council for History Standards (NCHS), having used an unprecedented process of open debate, multiple reviews, and the active participation of the largest organizations of history educators in the nation, released its proposed National Standards for United States History. I discuss this issue in much more detail in this post, in a section titled “Politicians against historians – The attack on the National Standards for United States History”. So I’ll just offer a quick summary here:

The proposed standards advocated above all a more accurate account of our history, substituting truth for clichés like “The United States is the greatest force for good in the world”. Consequently, they were vehemently criticized as advocating a “grim and gloomy portrayal of American history”. In 1995 the U.S. Senate formally voted 99-1 to condemn the Standards. Our whole Senate played the GAME that day. That is not the kind of action by our elected representatives that will help to end this deadly GAME.

The person for whom I was proud to vote for President* two months ago has a much better idea for what to do about the GAME. In the introduction to the book “Censored 2009 – The Top 25 Censored Stories of 2007-08”, she writes:

Much of what is now happening in the world can be laid at the public policy doorstep of Washington, DC. Citizens can act to defend themselves and the integrity of our country only when they know what it is that our country is doing… I welcome a real discussion of all the issues that face our country today and the real public policy options that exist to resolve them. For many Americans, this important discussion has been too vague or completely non-existent… The media in this country obviously do not want the people to be informed about the truths presented by Project Censured…

This is the same women who blatantly broke the rules of the GAME in her 2002 speech against handing George Bush a green light to invade Iraq:

President Bush was warned that terrorists were planning to hijack commercial aircraft and crash them into buildings in the US…. (She then lists many more suspicious circumstances)….

All of this has become public knowledge since I asked the simple question: What did the Bush Administration know and when did it know it. Now against this backdrop of so many unanswered questions, President Bush wants us to pledge our blind support to him. First, for his war on terrorism and now for his war in Iraq. How can we, in good conscience, send our young men and women back to Iraq to fight yet another war…


* I have not previously acknowledged on DU that I did not vote for Obama for President. I contributed to his campaign, I campaigned for him, and I was thrilled when he was elected. But because I live in a state that is safely Democratic, I cast my vote for President for my first choice – a woman who never has shown much respect for the rules of the GAME.


SOME LAST WORDS

As long as too many Americans continue to seek comfort in the absurd and false idea that their country is on the right side of every international conflict, and that patriotism means supporting one’s country no matter what it does, rather than seeking to make it better, we will continue on our current disastrous course of attempting to extend the American Empire.

The mutual problems that the nations of the world face today are too great to tolerate a rogue nation that is intent on extending its powers over the whole world at any cost. The world will not long avoid world-wide catastrophe as long as the most militarily powerful nation in the world does not feel the need to work with the other nations of the world, in compliance with international law, rather than solely for what it sees as its own selfish interests, or the selfish interests of its wealthy elites. President Obama may possibly succeed in presiding over eight years of relative world-wide peace. But even if he manages to do that, that peace is not likely to be sustained without a major change in how Americans view their nation’s relationship to the rest of the world.

Now I’ll end this post with a description from Rick Perlstein's book “Nixonland – the Rise of a President and the Fracturing of America” of the courageous and inspiring actions of the first presidential candidate for whom I was proud to cast my vote for President – another person who refused to play the GAME throughout his whole political career:

On September 1 (1970) Senator McGovern gave the concluding speech in the debate over his amendment to end the Vietnam War. Opposing senators had spoken of the necessity of resolve in the face of adversity, of national honor, of staying the course, of glory, of courage. McGovern responded:

“Every senator in this chamber is partly responsible for sending fifty thousand young Americans to an early grave. This chamber reeks of blood.”

Senators averted their eyes or stared at there desks or drew their faces taut with fury; this was not senatorial decorum.

“Every senator here is partly responsible for that human wreckage… young men without legs, or arms, or genitals, or face, or hopes… Do not talk about national honor, or courage. It does not take any courage at all for a congressman, or senator, or a president to wrap himself in the flag and say we are staying in Vietnam, because it is not our blood that is being shed. But we are responsible… So before we vote, let us ponder the admonition of Edmund Burke, the great parliamentarian of an earlier day: ‘A conscientious man would be cautious how he dealt in blood’”.

The McGovern-Hatfield amendment was defeated 55-39. On Election Day 1972, Senator McGovern lost his Presidential bid in a landslide. Eight years later he lost his U.S. Senate seat. He has ever since been regarded by many or most Americans as a “loser”. But George McGovern, in his run for President, and in his subsequent continued opposition to the Vietnam War, by pressuring Nixon to end the war earlier than he wanted to, did far more good for our country and the world than Nixon ever did as President. It is only through the actions of people like him that this GAME will ever end.

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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 12:42 AM
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1. off to the greatest page-- that was excellent!
I voted for McKinney too. And I COMPLETELY agree with your comments to date about the GAME.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 11:47 AM
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7. Thank you
Here's to Cynthia :toast:

My biggest disappointment of the 2006 election (of which there wasn't much else to be disappointed about) was her losing her House seat. She is such an important voice to have working in our behalf.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 12:54 AM
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2. Wish I had . . .
* I have not previously acknowledged on DU that I did not vote for Obama for President. I contributed to his campaign, I campaigned for him, and I was thrilled when he was elected. But because I live in a state that is safely Democratic, I cast my vote for President for my first choice – a woman who never has shown much respect for the rules of the GAME.

I also live in a SAFE state re Dems . . . .

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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 12:44 PM
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8. I voted in FL for Obama... However, I wish it could have been for McKinney.
My friend was working for her campaign. Only an uphill climb when the media refuses to play. My mom said she thinks I'm right.. there should be a channel dedicated to those who wish to run and where we can make an informed decision after seeing ALL the candidates.. and forget the money.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 01:49 PM
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13. In 1865 ...
Think that's the right date/? ...

Teddy Roosevelt called for "barring corporations from any involvement

in our elections whatsoever" --

We're a little behind in accomplishing that--!!

Your Mom is right -- a great idea --

C-span is somewhat helpful in that regard --- we need much more!

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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 02:51 AM
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3. K&R
Excellent work!
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 08:01 AM
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4. Well you have defiantly done your homework.
Edited on Tue Jan-13-09 08:04 AM by zeemike
And I suspect you have done it for years.

But ending this game seems so overwhelming given the fact that they have all the tools and we have only a sharp stick.
I think it would take a revolution to stop this game...one that was not like the French where they chopped off the heads of the elite and found themselves with a new boss...same as the old boss.

What I have been thinking about for some time is an agrarian revolution where people take back the real wealth of this country, which is in the land....but that is a different subject.

But you have made another exultant post which I highly recommend and hope it is well read and thought about...Keep up the good work.

Edited to note that I intended to reply to the OP.
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Jambalaya Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 09:32 AM
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5. This land is your land......
I read somewhat recently that MUCH of the Federal land has been used as collateral for our Governments borrowing $$ from other countries such as China and Saudi Arabia. Ostensibly,this could explain the reluctance to basically "open the books" as to how and where bailout money has been apportioned and why.I"m waiting for the 100th Monkey to create the revolution of our collective consciousness about what's going on in today's global society.Although some disagree,it is interesting,nonetheless.
Ergo:_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________

"Thus, when a certain critical number achieves an awareness, this new awareness may be communicated from mind to mind.

Although the exact number may vary, this Hundredth Monkey Phenomenon means that when only a limited number of people know of a new way, it may remain the conscious property of these people.

But there is a point at which if only one more person tunes-in to a new awareness, a field is strengthened so that this awareness is picked up by almost everyone!

(from the book "The Hundredth Monkey" by Ken Keyes, jr. The book is not copyrighted and the material may be reproduced in whole or in part. You can look at the whole book also.)"
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 02:37 PM
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15. Thanks for that and welcome to DU
And the only real wealth is in the land...all the rest is paper and can be taken away at any time.
As far as public land it has never belonged to us really. And that is because the ones with wealth can bribe or lobby government for it's use.
And the most valuable of it like farm land has been gobbled up by corporations who use it for factory farming or developed it into hosing developments for their McMansions.
People are poor because they have no land.
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Jambalaya Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 03:00 PM
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16. Patricide?
I appreciate you kind welcome to DU.

Is it too much a stretch to see the invisible hand behind the mortgage "crisis"? The banks not only get a bailout,but get to reposess the land,too. It's not the homes they want,its the land-the true and REAL estate. Why do you think that Katrina ravaged 9th Ward in N.O. was never rebuilt?Count on Galveston,Texas not being rebuilt either. Oh,maybe someday it will be called the Saudi Gulf of Mexico,no?
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 04:07 PM
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18. Yes, ending the game is an overwhelming task .... but doable
History is full of empires that have been beaten, despite overwhelming advantages in firepower.

The reason is, IMO, that the other side also has a lot of advantages. Probably the most important is the advantage of overwhelming numbers once the truth comes out. That's why we lost our war in Vietnam and there is no way that we can "win" the war in Iraq of Afghanistan in the long run. The populations there hate us, and they will never accept our occupation of their country. Even a great imperial power can't fight a guerilla war forever when huge portions of the population hate them.

Once a critical mass of Americans catch on to what is going on, their power will be greatly limited in this country as well.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 05:44 PM
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20. Once a critical mass of Americans catch on
It's going to take something really big for many Americans to catch on. And it's got to affect them very deeply.

From what I am reading in other financial forums, we are in this huge credit bubble. It cannot continue forever, the bubble will burst, an epic collapse will occur, probably sooner rather than later.

I think this collapse will be the catalyst that will get a critical mass of Americans to better see this empire we have been living in, that we can't continue the way we have been. This will start to bring about the change that we need. It's going to take some time, can't happen overnight.
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 06:22 PM
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22. More Red pills.
Every article like this is a red pill.
Unfortunately,there seems to also be a never ending supply of blue pills.But that doesn't matter.All it takes is one red pill.One.

Every time someone like you,or Octafish or H2OMan and many others here on DU,along with others like C McKinney or Dennis K speak out someone has their red pill moment.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 06:48 PM
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24. Thank you for comparing me with Octafish, H2OMan, McKinney and Kucinich
That's quite a compliment.

But I don't understand what you mean by a red pill?
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 06:52 PM
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25. It's from the movie The Matrix
Edited on Tue Jan-13-09 07:03 PM by conscious evolution
One of the most important scenes in movie history,imo,as far as exposing the game is concerned.


Give me a moment to search youtube.I think I recall seeing it posted once.
Here it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_8Zq_iWuFg
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 11:24 PM
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44. Thank you
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Jambalaya Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 10:34 AM
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6. Stanford II
On the original"The Game",I posted some links to a Stanford Research Institute paper entitled "The Changing Images of Man". I would like to proffer a link to the visionary work of Gary Allen,entitled Non Dare Call it Conspiracy. Written in the same time frame as "Changing Images",Allen is coincidentally a Stanford grad himself. Time has proven MUCH of Mr.Allen's work to have been prescient,indeed. This link is well work a followup. Herewith:

None Dare Call It Conspiracy | BREAK THE MATRIXOct 21, 2008 ... The idea is to force the person exposing the conspiracy to stop the exposure and spend his time and effort defending himself. None Dare Call ...
www.breakthematrix.com/content/None-Dare-Call-It-Conspiracy - 42k - Cached - Similar pages
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 05:14 PM
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19. Isn't that the truth
From the description of Gary Allen's book:

Most intellectuals, pseudo and otherwise, deal with the conspiratorial theory of history simply by ignoring it. They never attempt to refute the evidence. It can't be refuted. If and when the silent treatment doesn't work, these "objective" scholars and mass media opinion molders resort to personal attacks, ridicule and satire. The personal attacks tend to divert attention from the facts which an author or speaker is trying to expose. The idea is to force the person exposing the conspiracy to stop the exposure and spend his time and effort defending himself.

That is so right on target. That's exactly what the GAME masters do to stifle dissent.
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 06:32 PM
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23. Scott Ritter
At least I think he was the guy.
Check out what happened to him sometime.
A textbook example of personnal smear attacks meant to destroy ones credibility
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 11:13 PM
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41. Scott Ritter -- Yes, an excellent example
I read the book that he co-authored with William Pitt, "War on Iraq -- What Team Bush Doesn't Want you to Know". No wonder they went after him so aggressively.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 12:44 PM
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9. I think you miss the whole point about racial impact on genocide.
There would be no occupation of Iraq if the country had a different ethnic and religious make up.

The whole war on terror is a racist genocide. It would NOT be possible to commit the same crimes against Jews, or even Koreans, for example. There would be no implied connection to 9/11. That's the whole methodology behind the game of creating a false reality. You've become a victim of it yourself whenever you begin to consider that what is happening in Iraq is not enabled by racism. The fact that these people are Middle-Eastern Muslims is the only thing that makes it possible to try and exterminate them and their political leaders.

We may be stumbling over the question of whether the public's innate views on racism are being intentionally manipulated, or whether it is organic in nature, or whether the neocon leadership is actually racist or just pretending to be, but none of that seems to be all that important. What is going on over there should be considered genocide specifically because it is so racist, period.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 12:55 PM
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10. I think you missed what I said if you think that I miss the point about racial impact on genocide
I agree with your point, and I said as much in this post. I've also written about it a number of times, as in this post titled "Unacknowledged Racism, Imperialism and the Occupation of Iraq"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=133123

And this one titled "The Role of Racism on our Road to Tyranny"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2269258
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 01:42 PM
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12. I did completely misunderstand. Your post from last year is spot on.
So much of the dialog is completely invested in the game, the separate reality, that it becomes almost impossible to even have a discussion. The one aspect that might be added to this whole thesis is on the issue of torture.

The whole ticking time-bomb argument is a separate reality. It is the exact same thing as arguing that we must not have any laws against breaking and entering because there may someday be a burning house with a baby inside, and any such laws about breaking and entering would prevent the rescue of the baby. It's complete nonsense. Another part of the game, a false argument.

Torture, in reality, seems to have no value for keeping us safe at all, and I don't think there is a single example of it being used for that purpose. It might be used in order to make examples of folks, to intimidate the masses into compliance with the desires of the administration. That would be a realistic use of torture. But what torture is best for is its historic use, what it has always been used for: - Creating an alternate reality.

For example, torture has been used to prove, by personal accounts and confessions of unassailable witnesses, that Satan exists and walks the earth among us. This would be the classic alternate reality since there has never been any proof of any such a thing.

In the current false reality, torture made it possible to completely explain away 9/11, with confessions and everything. And we know it's all a lie and yet there it is, the truth is completely obscured. Torture is what makes that possible.

(P.S. I would have voted for her too, except I'm in Florida.)
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 01:29 PM
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11. Interesting, but I don't think life is nearly as interesting or...
intruguing as these essays make it seem to be. Sure, all are lives would be a lot more interesting and fascinating if all conspiracy theories were true...
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Jambalaya Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 03:05 PM
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17. new to you
An uninteresting life is a reflection of an uninterested person.
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debunkthelies Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 08:00 PM
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28. DITTO!!!
Life is a conspiracy.:tinfoilhat:
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 10:19 PM
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35. Why not? I believe that there is soooooo much we don't know about
that it would almost have to be very interesting if we were to find out about it.

Obviously not all conspiracy theories are true -- And if they were, I don't think that would be interesting at all, since many of them contradict each other. But a lot of them have a great deal of evidence to support them -- and that is very interesting. The challenge is to evaluate the evidence and see where it leads, rather than simply take the word of the supposed "experts", most who are wealthy and are connected to very powerful corporations.
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-09 05:59 PM
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58. If you only knew how reality is even stranger than fiction ... nt
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 01:59 PM
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14. When does the book come out? K&R
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 10:39 PM
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36. I would really love to work on that
But with a full time job I just don't have the time.
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 05:56 PM
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21. And the Game is played in the Matrix
Excellant post.
K&R
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 07:14 PM
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26. K&R...

Excellent series of posts, but I seem to notice the lack of any mention of the role of the Religious Right. Part of the "game plan" seems to be getting a large portion of the population to play along where it involves anti-Democratic and blatantly unconstitutional activities. Understanding the true history of the CIA is a good starting point for this. There are many books and several good films that cover parts of this. "Charlie Wilson's War", for example, provides the context for how the CIA ended up virtually creating Al Qaeda. Just the other day I watched "The Good Shepherd" which provides much of the historical context for how anti-Communist efforts evolved from World War II, and **SPOILER** includes a very illuminating scene involving the use of water boarding and LSD where it is disclosed the true nature of the Cold War. Also, some really good scenes inside the Skull and Bones fraternity.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 09:31 PM
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33. Thank you -- I guess the main reason that I didn't discuss the Religious Right is that I don't
Edited on Tue Jan-13-09 09:33 PM by Time for change
understand very well how they fit in. Some of them are probably just corporatists dressed in religion to hide their motives, while others are true believers. It's so difficult to sort out. I'm reading a book now, I believe it's called "The Family", that seeks to explain their role in our power structure. It's very informative, but also very difficult for me to understand. Hopefully by the time I finish the book I'll understand a lot better.

The CIA: A long time ago I read a book by a couple of former CIA agents that had become very disenchanted with the Agency. They said that it had gotten so out of control that even Presidents couldn't control it. I believed that at the time, but since I haven't read anything similar since then, maybe Presidents have reasserted control over it. They certainly have done a lot of terrible things. And I do believe they had an important role in the JFK assassination.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 09:43 PM
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34. You should also check out this article...

which is full of details.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1983/07/willbedone.html

The history of "warriors for Christ" goes back centuries, unfortunately a lot of it gets mixed together with "Davinci Code" conspiricy theories which kind of misses the point altogether. (counter-intelligence is often good at getting people on the wrong track).
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-09 04:01 AM
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46. look into a serious history of religious orders. it's not as nutty as you might think.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-09 04:30 PM
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52. The "myth" surrounding royal blood is one thing....
Edited on Wed Jan-14-09 04:31 PM by AntiFascist
what I'm talking about is the use of secret orders of "warrior monks" and that sort of thing who will do what they must to promote the Catholic Church or, for that matter, any "Godly" force that might be on the side of fighting godless Marxism, including Sun Myung Moon or even the Muhajadeen (at least in the 80s). "The Tudors" had some interesting episodes involving certain secret Vatican plots to murder people involved with the Reformation.
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Jambalaya Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-09 01:19 PM
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48. "The Family's " Christian Mafia Values
I recently learned that Oliver North's father in law is Rushdoony. One of the founding member of this country's seminal Christian Dominionist movement. WHOA! There has been little written about "The Family' save for a couple of articles written in Harper's. This Arlington,Va. based group has been sponsoring the "Prayer Breakfasts" in DC for years now. It is also referred to as "The Fellowship". A book was recently published about its activities, by the author of one of the Haper articles. Katherine Yurica,ofthe excellent Yurica Reports,has done some reporting on them,also.

If I could recommend only ONE article,ever, to explain and illuminate much of the Christocrat,Christian Dominionist theology that has hijacked this country it would be "Expose": Christian Mafia",by Wayne Madsen. It is one of the best pieces that I have EVER read. It is lengthy, but is a veritable treasure trove of the origins of political and theocratic convergence in this country within the last 4 years. PLEASE READ THE ARTICLE. You will NEVER appproach the intersection of religion and American politics the same way,again.

P.S.
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Jambalaya Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-09 01:25 PM
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49. Onward Christian Soldiers?

February 8, 2005
Expose’: The Christian Mafia — Part I

For full article (parts I & II) go to: http://www.insider-magazine.com/ChristianMafia.htm

Where Those Who Now Run the U.S. Government Came From and Where They Are Taking Us

By Wayne Madsen

Part I

After several months of in-depth research and, at first, seemingly unrelated conversations with former high-level intelligence officials, lawyers, politicians, religious figures, other investigative journalists, and researchers, I can now report on a criminal conspiracy so vast and monstrous it defies imagination. Using “Christian” groups as tax-exempt and cleverly camouflaged covers, wealthy right-wing businessmen and “clergy” have now assumed firm control over the biggest prize of all – the government of the United States of America. First, some housekeeping is in order. My use of the term “Christian” is merely to clearly identify the criminal conspirators who have chosen to misuse their self-avowed devotion to Jesus Christ to advance a very un-Christian agenda. The term “Christian Mafia” is what several Washington politicians have termed the major conspirators and it is not intended to debase Christians or infer that they are criminals . I will also use the term Nazi – not for shock value – but to properly tag the political affiliations of the early founders of the so-called “Christian” power cult called the Fellowship. The most important element of this story is that a destructive religious movement has now achieved almost total control over the machinery of government of the United States – its executive, its legislature, several state governments, and soon, the federal judiciary, including the U.S. Supreme Court.
(more…)__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

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Jambalaya Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-09 01:34 PM
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50. Correction
GARY North was Rushdoony's son-in-law. Rushdoony died in 2001.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 07:19 PM
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27. K&R. nt
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PinkyisBlue Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 08:29 PM
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29. I am reading Klein's "The Shock Doctrine" and see our treatment of Iraqis as genocide.
It was interesting to read in the book that genocide can be destruction of a political group and does not have to involve race, religion of ethnicity (although our treatment of the Iraqi people involves their race, religion and ethnicity). Similar to the junta takeover of Argentina, we are trying to take over Iraq with bombs and guns; we are occupying Iraq in order to control it and to install a friendly government that will allow us to do what we want there (which is to steal and profit from its natural resources). The Iraqi people who resist this invasion are either silenced into submission, disappeared into one of our detention facilities or killed.

I like your interpretation of what is going on in our country as "the game". It is a corporatist game, where the goal is to acquire as much "stuff" as you can (the more expensive the better) and there are no rules; get as much as you can however you can.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 11:19 PM
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42. The "Shock Doctrine" is a great book -- one of the best I've ever read IMO
Actually, the GAME does have rules, but the GAME's masters don't have to follow them, and they kind of make them up as they go along, to serve their interests.
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 08:44 PM
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30. I really wanted to vote for McKinney, too, but I live Florida, so I couldn't.

I can't take that chance in a swing state. I was very proud and happy to vote for Obama, but I thought McKinney was clearly the best choice.
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 08:53 PM
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31. One of my heroes, Smedley Butler, figured out the game. "War Is A Racket"
http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

He also thwarted the plot against FDR, but you mentioned that in your other thread.

Here's a good quote from one of his speeches:

"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 11:22 PM
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43. Yes -- That's the kind of thing that ought to be taught in school
But there's no chance of that in this atmosphere.
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windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 09:06 PM
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32. The consequences are the goals of the Game.
Edited on Tue Jan-13-09 09:08 PM by windoe
I strongly believe that in order to feel comfortable spilling so much blood for money, wealth and power, one has to be a sociopath. This dis-ease is contagious and in many ways able to spread throughout society. Our country has become mentally ill by the effects of these sick Game masters. Pharmaceuticals, distorted, violent and ambiguous entertainment and information, dumbing down of schools,and a tainted food supply all contribute to our nation's sickness. The consequences and the goals of this Game have also been to weaken and divide the populace.

Life to them is a Game, and they see themselves as the masters of it, it is a giant game of chess. If we are to move into the next century and not repeat the same mistakes over and over again, we cannot allow people with this type of psychological profile to gain positions of power.

I also realize that these violent traits are often passed down (nurture or nature, whatever) in families. So these families that have abused power and wealth over the centuries seem to have passed on these behaviors.

I do not know how this can be done, yet imagine if we could.

Thank you for inspiring such a vital discussion!!
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 11:05 PM
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39. Sociopaths -- Yes, these people are sociopaths
Another, less scientific term perhaps, but perhaps more descriptive in some cases, is evil.

Whatever we call it, nobody has yet learned to prevent it or cure it. The biggest problem with that is that they don't want to be "cured". Maybe some day, before the humans species destroys itself, we'll learn how to reign them in.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-09 05:45 PM
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57. The gentleman from Ohio speaks:
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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 10:44 PM
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37. The "Game" is not specifically Imperialism or genocide, etc.,
though those behaviors are often part of it. It is pure and simply subverting democratic government to advance the power interests of those ruthless, advantaged people whose lives are dedicated to dominance over the rest of us by money or any other means at hand including mass murder. The rise of people who collaborate globally for this sort of control is the Achilles heel of the human species who, with the power of abstract thought, can picture an "us" and a "them" spanning the globe and made of individuals the thinker has never met. Mass murder can be mentally transmuted into "punishing" or "correcting" an abstract collective of people, rather than seen as the absolute termination of the murdered individuals that it is.

All other animals stop thinking of aggressing against rivals when they have retreated and are out of sight.

These people will always be a major force. The world's recent experiment with Democratic Republicanism was created to allow the rest of us to unite to form an effective countervailing force. It has succeeding in varying degrees in different times and places, and its existence in more than name only is currently seriously threatened. One problem is that most of us think it should be an easy, self-sustaining institution. Another is that most of us derive our economic survival from organizations that the power elite control, confusing and blunting our opposition to tyranny, although the elites' obsession with having it all is enormously destructive to global economic prosperity, as the graph in your OP shows.

There is no easy, single answer to restoring our collective power. But seeing limiting the control of the power elite as the priority (to allow for the well-being of the rest of us) is essential to reining in the "game". That's why, unlike most DUers, I see the Bush cadre's legitimization of "signing statements", stonewalling Congressional subpoenas, and theft of Presidential elections as more destructive even than their use and justification of torture. Equally serious is the Democratic Congress' abdication of the crucial right and duty to impeach an executive that oversteps its Constitutionally defined power.

Just as we will always have the poor with us, we will always have a relentless power elite as well. In order for civilization to survive, we have to continually shore up the means to deal with them.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 10:53 PM
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38. I pretty much agree with all of that
Mass murder is not the goal (though I have to believe that some of these people enjoy it), but it often becomes the method used to acheive the goal.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-09 06:47 PM
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53. National Security Study Memorandum 200 April 1974
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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-09 12:22 PM
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54. There's been much speculation that HIV was intentionally developed
by a viral researcher from simian viruses to target a part of the immune system that researchers had erroneously convinced themselves was more of a threat to Africans than to "Caucasians". In the few years before the appearance of AIDS, I had been doing research in medical journals to help a friend of mine who had a serious illness. I ran into puzzling papers on the immune system claiming that Africans relied more heavily on "cellular" immunity than people of European descent. It sounded fishy to me, and I thought it was a nasty fad that would pass like eugenics.

After AIDS was epidemic in Africa and in gay communities in Cuba and the U.S., a rumor spread that a Dr. Gallo, who tried to claim he had identified the virus before the French researchers who published first, had in fact created the virus, and that the gov't entities vaccinating Africans had contaminated the vaccines w/HIV. The rumor was so widespread w/i the medical science community that Pres. Clinton had to publicly clear Dr. Gallo's name.

There is no way to know for sure if anything of the sort happened, but it dovetails with what you cited.

With a very few exceptions, the power elite don't have even the rudiments of morals.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-09 01:25 PM
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56. A basic misconception Americans have
is that the "power elite" resembles them in any way, shape or form, other than bleeding red. ;-)
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 11:11 PM
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40. Marking for later, thank you :) n/t
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-09 01:00 AM
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45. Can I purchase a subscription?
I almost missed this. Excellent.
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Ani Yun Wiya Donating Member (639 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-09 05:15 AM
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47. What we need is a global approach.
Edited on Wed Jan-14-09 05:26 AM by Ani Yun Wiya
The numerous "pillars" of the Game include, but are not limited to:

1. War.
2. Poverty.
3. Promotion of Ignorance.
4. Promotion of Fear.
5. Promotion of Falsehoods.

I would think that to end the Game would require at the very least:

1. Peace. (For all humnaity)
2. Prosperity. (For all humnaity)
3. Education. (For all humnaity)

(the other two items in the first list should also be resolved by solving the first three.)


Now I suppose the big question is how to go about these seemingly large tasks.

So, towards a course of action to meet those goals:

A large amount of what can be counted as positive change has resulted from proper ideas expressed in words that are simple and easily understood by a "core group", that are then disseminated to various populations in Document form (ie: Code of Hammurabi, Magna Carta, Declaration of Independence, Declaration of Human Rights).

(I do consider that although these examples are all excellent docs, they are all somewhat limited in scope AND application.)

What we really need are NEW documents that come from and are meant for the entire population of the planet.
(Not like the aforementioned, which came from a more "administrative" locus.)

How easy would it be for the "masters" of the Game to argue with nearly seven billion of us ?
I see it as quite likely that seven billion "little people" acting in concert could utterly crush the Game AND its "masters".


edited to replace brackets, which left out a particular thought, with parentheses which did not.
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Jambalaya Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-09 01:48 PM
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51. United we stand-divided we fall
"I see it as quite likely that seven billion "little people" acting in concert could utterly crush the Game AND its "masters".. "Ani Yun Wya

Is this not one of the MAAJOR fears of corporate America re:Unionization- i.e., that once the sheer power of the collective coaltion of the masses is realized,what else might the aphrodisiac of "Power to little People" do? Revolution,perhaps? As Harriet Tubman said,"I freed a thousand slaves. I could have freed a thousand more,if only they knew that they were slaves."

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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-09 12:25 PM
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55. Kicking for latecomers to the party!
:party:
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