NJ kids with Nazi-inspired names removed from home

[Ranting_Wacko]

Source: Yahoo News

HOLLAND TOWNSHIP, N.J. – Police say three New Jersey siblings whose names have Nazi connotations have been placed in the custody of the state.

Holland Township Police Sgt. John Harris says workers from the state Division of Youth and Family Services on Tuesday removed 3-year-old Adolf Hitler Campbell and his younger sisters, JoyceLynn Aryan Nation Campbell and Honszlynn Hinler Jeannie Campbell from their home Tuesday.


Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090114/ap_on_re_us/hitler_cake

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It's about time...

[fujiyama]

1. Good

Hope they get renamed soon.

[SteppingRazor]

2. For what?

I'd actually be a bit perturbed if they were just yanking the kids out of the home because their parents are degenerate racists.

[Avalux]

4. Cruetly to a child; child endangerment.

If allowed to retain those names, the poor kids will grow up experiencing unnecessary cruelty and even violence through no fault of their own.

I think removing them from the home was justified.

[Kahuna]

6. If it's just a matter of the names, the courts could order them changed

and let them remain with their idiotic parents. There has to be more to it than the names. Because if it's the names, the parents have a first amendment issue to pursue.

[Avalux]

9. Good point. There might be more to it -

I hope so because I am horrified the parents would do that to them - cripple them before they even have a chance in this world.

Those children deserve better.

[No Elephants]

15. I don't know if naming a child is the equivalent of child abuse. If it is, though,

no court is going to say that the parents First Amerndment interest in an act that amounts to child abuse outweighs the interest of the child in being free from abuse or the interest of the State in preventing child abuse. It's a balance of interests test.

[Piewhacket]

59. I don't think naming your child Adolf Hitler is technically child abuse...

but it would sure make a judge pull out the magnifying glass
looking for problems that WERE technically neglect/abuse.
Dontcha figure?

[rocktivity]

67. DING DING DING! Piewhacket, you're our grand prize winner!

...(N)aming your child Adolf Hitler...would sure make a judge pull out the magnifying glass...

As distasteful as I find the whole situation, I hope the removal IS legally justifiable. On the other hand, if the abuse or neglect truly warranted removal, a "magnifying glass" wouldn't be necessary.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Nevernose]

72. It's like putting a pot-leaf sticker on your car:

It's perfectly legal, but expect the police to pull you over a lot.

[Piewhacket]

60. Delete... dup

[leftynyc]

54. I think I remember reading that

neither of these parents work - maybe welfare fraud?

[louis-t]

63. That would be real bright. Commit welfare fraud, then

draw attention to yourself by naming your kid after Hitler. Brilliant.

[proud2BlibKansan]

71. They wouldn't take the kids away for that

[unpossibles]

7. While I hesitate to cheer this, I agree that the names are possibly a hint of more problems

At the very least, the names show a lack of empathy from the parents toward their children, which can be an indicator of other problems, not to mention the things these kids will have to deal with growing up.

[Wizard777]

42. It's okay for people to use violence against you if they don't like your name?

[Kahuna]

5. I agree. There names are very "unfortunate." But that is no reason to

remove them from their homes. I'm interested to know what the reason for removing them is.

[yardwork]

10. The article says that Child Protective Services didn't say why. I'm sure it's more than the names.

Usually removal is in response to determination of a danger to the children. I'd say that somebody reported the parents for some kind of abuse, DSS investigated and found reason to be concerned. It usually takes weeks or even months of investigations before children are removed - it's entirely possible that the DSS investigation predates the cake incident.

It has to be more than the names.

[SteppingRazor]

13. Right on.

Because, like I said in my first posts, the parents are clearly fucked-up. But the names alone certainly wouldn't be enough to take the kids away. Punishing thought crimes like that would set an incredibly dangerous precedent. But I'm sure you're right -- there was probably other stuff going on.

[baldguy]

17. Teaching hatred is child abuse.

[SteppingRazor]

20. Very small hop from there to "Teaching liberalism is child abuse."

The only difference is who's in charge.

Teaching your children any creed -- no matter how disgusting -- is one of the prices we pay for a free society. Such beliefs are best stamped out through positive examples of alternative messages and societal disapprobation of hateful beliefs, not through hard-line intervention on the part of the state.

[JuniperLea]

36. Exactly... there are no thought police... yet

And if we want to protect our freedoms, we have to take into account the freedoms of others... even if they teach disgusting creeds... one man's disgusting creed is another's mantra!

[JuniperLea]

30. Then we should remove children from all RW Evangelical homes

For teaching children to hate gays and brown people.

There are no thought police... yet. People are still legally free to think whatever they choose. Acting on something is different than thinking, and some actions are indeed illegal.

[Spouting Horn]

53. Who gets to define

"hatred?"

[Kali]

56. that's how I feel about indoctrinating children into religion

guess that is why families are protected from my views and are allowed to raise their kids how they want as long as they are not physically harmed or SEVERLY damaged emotionally/psychologically.

Having a stupid name that other kids ridicule is NOT child abuse, sorry.

[Paul Giulani]

65. If Ti and Do had been taken away from their heavenly father...

as children, a lot of people would still be alive today. :)

[proud2BlibKansan]

70. Article says they won't say why

but it is not because of the names.

[emilyg]

3. Is there more to this?

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

16. DYFS isn't talking.

That said, I have heard some interesting information about this family from news sources I have:

These Campbells are part of a larger clan of Campbells who relocated from South Carolina to this area. They are essentially a "Travelers" kind of clan, who exist by living off as much public aid as they can and running cons.

DYFS is not talking about why they pulled the kids out, but I know from personal, professional experience of dealing with DYFS that they are not taken to just grabbing kids for the sport of it, especially these days. First, these kids are now wards of the state and represent an enormous expenditure in man hours and funds to keep under their wing, in a stable environment, while they proceed with whatever actions they deem appropriate. Also, DYFS has been through a bad patch in the recent past, where they made some very bad, sloppy decisions that impacted in the deaths of some of their wards and no end of chaos in other cases. DYFS has undergone a complete restructuring and is a far more cautious and measured organization, and better at completing its stated mission.

I have friends who have fostered two children, one young white child from a mother who abused drugs and alcohol while he was in the womb and horribly neglected him after he was born, and one whip-smart mixed race little girl. They have gone on to adopt the boy and plan on adopting the girl, once all the legal stuff is adjudicated. DYFS has been there every step of the way with them, making sure that these children have everything they need, both tangible and intangible. The family is inspected very regularly and many hoops are jumped through, incessantly.

I sincerely doubt that these kids were pulled on the basis of their names. Clearly, there was one metric shitload of dysfunction in this family and DYFS kept their eye on them until they could make a case that pulling the children would be in their benefit. I deeply doubt that the DYFS of today would do anything like this in a frivolous manner. On the contrary, they probably waited too long to pull the kids.

I can tell you that when they do pull the kids from the parents, they bend over backwards to give said parents every possible chance to get them back. Sadly, many of those parents are so dysfunctional, substance-addled or stupid that they cannot even show up for the hearings. Still, DYFS reschedules and gives the parents another chance. DYFS even assigns lawyers to the natural parents that cannot afford legal representation on their own, at DYFS expense. They cover all the bases.

[yardwork]

31. Thank you for posting this info. Some folks are jumping to conclusions here.

[Dr.Phool]

33. MSNBC.com has some video of the parents up.

It was shot right after the birthday cake fracas. Daddy looks and acts like a meth-head.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

38. It has been posited...

By my newsroom sources that have dealt with this story that some sort of substance abuse was somehow involved in the family dynamic. This was a result of their "trained eyes", not any direct proof, so they could not run with it.

That said, we have been lucky in this area: the amount of meth manufacturing and abuse has been nearly non-existent. On the other hand, Heroin abuse quietly rages below the societal surface in this area, in every segment of society, but most disturbingly amongst the upper-middle-class and privileged young. I have a police scanner here, and the number of drug overdoses, on various opoids, but especially Heroin, is quite startling. The addresses of these emergency calls are often to addresses in rather tony communities.

And then there is the number of suicides and suicide attempts. Don't get me started on that. The frequency of those calls, of late, is amazing.

[emilyg]

61. Thanks.

[JuniperLea]

8. I'm completely against giving children names like this...

But when I take a step back and look at the big picture, it sickens me that the kids would be taken from their parents for this reason. Is there a law against giving children certain names? No. So, they were taken because... society doesn't like those names. Hmmm... perhaps we shouldn't have voted for a guy named Hussein?

[yardwork]

11. We don't know why the children were removed.

[JuniperLea]

19. Exactly

Which makes the speculation about the names, and all the "good" and "finally" comments here so disturbing! Being taken from the family home is extremely traumatic. I would hope it was done because of something a whole lot more important than a name.

[yardwork]

29. I agree.

[Avalux]

12. These parents intentionally named their children after Nazis.

It's different than if your name happens to be very common like Hussein.

If the parents would do this to their children without having the insight to understand how difficult it would be for them to grow up and live in society with that burden, they aren't fit to have them. What else have those children had to endure?

[JuniperLea]

14. Removing children from their homes based on speculation like this

Is just plain wrong. There is no mention of charging the parents with cruelty of any kind. There is no evidence that now or in the future the kids would be subjected to anything. My brother has five names, but used only two. Part of the names given these children are very common and very benign. It's possible these are the only names used outside the home.

I think this is a horrible and very slippery slope. "What else have those children had to endure?" Well, being taken from their family based on speculation like that would be fairly disgusting. Where does it end? Is it worth the trauma to be taken like that?

I hope to God there is more to this story, a hell of a lot more.

[No Elephants]

18. What speculation? The only speculation I see is posters speculating about why

the children were pulled out. Did you read Post # 16?

[JuniperLea]

23. Did you read the "good" and "finally" posts?

I find it highly disturbing that DUers would say such things based on the only knowledge we have, which is the names of the children. And the speculation that there was cruelty! That's a pretty large leap.

[Chulanowa]

55. You get used to it

A lot of DU'ers are a little... off.

That said, you can breathe easy knowing these kids weren't removed on basis of their names alone. Youth and Family Services doesn't work like that. Most likely there's some serious substance abuse going on in the family.

[Avalux]

24. The names are an indication, that's all.

I am sure the children were not removed based on speculation; the article doesn't state why they were removed. Personally, I am sickened by the names and when I said "what ense have those children had to endure" I was speculating - not promoting removal of the children without facts.

[PJPhreak]

34. I agree...

I was a ward of the State of New York for 9 years due to my mother's inability to care for myself and my younger brother due to mental illness. If one thinks that DSS decisions to remove children from their homes and parents are always the correct thing to do should have spent the 70's with me. I was never in ANY Trouble,did well in school,never had any social problems...Then DSS Stepped into the picture.
Was DSS right in removing us? Yes Absolutely! Did they need to send us to "Kiddie Prison" (Google Goshen Annex in Goshen NY) FUCK NO!!!! I managed to surivive...My younger Brother did not,He is still under Psychiatric care...The fights,beating with chains from other "Kids",the abuse from some of the staff (A Hot Wheels Track leaves better welts than a Belt) I could go on and on but suffice to say I Do Not Trust DSS at All!!!!

[JuniperLea]

35. I fear your story is more common than people know

I've heard much the same from others. I'm so sorry you had to go through that... that any child would. Ugh.

I'm hoping there was just cause, but names are NOT a just cause. There are no thought police, so teaching hatred isn't illegal either.

Wow... what a world. What next? Take kids away because their parents are gay? Because they hate people of color? There must be a better way.

Peace to you, PJPhreak!

[PJPhreak]

39. And I was one of the lucky ones,

There were Many children that were brought into "The System" as total innocents...and now they occupy Jails,Prisons,are Homeless or have severe Drug problems,and do not trust ANY agency or authority,and so seek NO help...I was lucky to find a group of Peaceniks (Deadheads and Jerry) as a teen,many others were not. Children are a product of their environment...and "Kiddie Prison" is just that.

[FiveGoodMen]

22. Furthermore, if they chose those names for the kids, what were they planning to teach them?

You don't call your kids Adolf Hitler and Aryan Nations unless you admire that sort of thing.

I'm sure the kids would be better off almost anywhere else.

[JuniperLea]

26. As despicable as that is...

Are there any laws about being racist? No. Any about what you can name your child? No. "What were they planning on teaching them?" Probably something really disgusting... but not against the law.

My point IS the speculation here... which I find highly disturbing. It's a mob mentality.

[superconnected]

46. It sounds like you're the person who's into speculation.

Everyone else is following the article which DOESN'T say the kids were removed simply because of their names (speculation on your part that they were.) The rest of us assume it was something else. The names are an indication of more problems but that takes an adept sense of interpreting situations.

[JuniperLea]

50. I guess you missed all the "good" and "finally" posts...

And the ones that out and out say the parents are guilty of child abuse for naming them.

[Spoon]

44. You'd think, but

my roommate works at a liquor store, and a few weeks ago had an AA women come in wearing a shirt with the deceased face of her son on it. The name below the picture? You guessed it, Hitler.

Apparently she went on about how good of a kid "Hitler" was, how he was gunned down, etc.

I can't imagine why African American parents would admire the Third Reich, unless it was a nickname he picked up and they accepted it.

[NashVegas]

21. IF That's the Case, Better Not Name Your Kid "Che," or "Sandino"

Or the same could happen to you.

[JuniperLea]

27. And what would society deem inappropriate next?

Ugh.

[Xipe Totec]

28. Or Hussein

:hi:

[NashVegas]

32. Touche

:hi:

[RaleighNCDUer]

37. Put it this way: There are millions of people who are perfectly sane

who name their sons 'Hussein'. No sane person would name his son Adolf Hitler. The very act of giving him that name is evidence of a sociopathic personality - which means that child is in danger every day of his life.

The children are being removed for their own protection.

[JuniperLea]

41. Clearly you've never known a child who was taken from their family

Nor have you considered what a slippery slope this is. Society could just as easily deem homosexuality a danger to children.

[RaleighNCDUer]

45. Oh, yeah, being raised by a sociopath is so much better for the child.

:eyes:

[JuniperLea]

48. Do you also diagnose physical maladies over the InterTubes?

Because, gee, we all know how great that is.

You have no idea and no clue what the deal is with the parents. It's not illegal to be hateful or to teach your kids to be the same. If it were, thousands of evangelical, gay and brown people hating preachers would be out of work.

[Xipe Totec]

25. Johnny Cash "A Boy Named Sue"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M89c3hWx3RQ

[wowimthere]

40. I think they removed them for perhaps a number of reasons but child endangerment

seems like the most likely reason. If people know you've named your children after nazis and people who have strong feelings about this and these people want revenge then they may do anything to get it. The parents have put themselves in danger as well as their children. Thus, reckless endangerment.

If a person named their child Dumbass, how fit can they be as a parent?

Take a look at what's happening in the world today. Children are not off limits to violence. The parents should have known better. Again, if they're not sensitive to the feelings of Jews and anyone who finds what the Nazis did detestable then how can they be as parents? WTF!

[superconnected]

49. I think it's pretty clear the parents are messed up. I'm not surprised at all to

find there is something else we don't know about their home that would cause CPS to remove the kids. The parents aren't even mentally able to hold jobs if I remember correctly. Not holding a job isn't a reason to take a kid away, but it is another indication that the parent's aren't all right and there are more issues there.

[Wizard777]

52. So blacks shouldn't name their kid Shaniqua?

It could expose them to ridicule from other blacks that feel it's too ghetto. Also violence from white supremacists for being too ethnic. You couldn't possibly get anywhere in life with names like Moon Unit or Dwezil. If Frank would have another kid. He very well might have named the kid Dumbass Zappa. I wouldn't put it past him. But I will give you this much. In all it's history. Ellis Island has only ever SUGGESTED that one immigrant change their name. It was a Vietnamese guy. His legal name was Dum Fuk.

Violence against a person is because of their name is unacceptable regardless of their being Adolph Hitler, Dumbass, or Bob.

[ecstatic]

80. uggh... give me a break. There is no comparison

Those ignorant assholes named their child after a murderous Nazi dictator! I can only imagine what other abuses took place in that home!

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

82. Back when the cake incident was released, I read they were already court ordered

to remove the swatsikas from their car, because it was endangering their child. I'm sure there's more to it than just the name.

[Bette Noir]

43. I'd like to read the article, but the link crashes my computer.

Anybody have a different source?

[lunatica]

47. Someone else already posted Johnny Cash's song

[Bear down under]

51. Aren't these the birthday cake people?

The ones who sued the local cake shop a few weeks ago for refusing to write "happy birthday Adolf Hitler" in icing on the kid's birthday cake? I remember thinking at the time that they sounded like a seriously f*cked up family.

[Bear down under]

66. they are

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/today/index.ssf/2008/12/holland_township_family_angry.html

Too late to edit my post, sorry.

[OneBlueSky]

57. on a related topic . . . whatever happened to those two young girls . . .

(they might have been twins) who played guitars and entertained with songs about white power? . . . I think they called themselves "Prussian Blue" or something like that . . . they're probably in their late teens or early twenties by now, and I'm curious if they're still purveying their hatred to white supremacy audiences . . . anyone know who I mean? . . .

[superconnected]

58. I remember them - lynx and lamb were their names.

I don't think they ever got passed playing aryan nations gigs.

[Codeine]

62. Still around.

I think they're more like 16 now. They started really young.

[readmoreoften]

73. From what I've heard the girls were forced into it by their mother and are not white supremacists.

[Jamastiene]

75. Their blog says otherwise.

http://prussianbluefan.blogspot.com/

and

http://aprilgaedesblog.blogspot.com/

They have links to Stormfront and several other forums that are Nazi related.

[Jamastiene]

74. Last I heard they donated some supplies to Katrina victims...

stipulating that those supplies go to whites only.

They are in Montana spreading their hate now from what I read here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_Blue_(duo)#History

[AnneD]

64. Moran.....

It's Himmler not Hinler:eyes:

[rocktivity]

68. Actually, it's Hilter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVxM5IBLeU4

:headbang:
rocknation

[raouldukelives]

69. Almost as bad as naming your kid George Bush

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

83. Raoul Duke would say that naming your kid Hitler is worse

And, he was certainly no fan of Bush.

[galaxy21]

76. I think the name is emotional abuse

Not all child abuse is physical.


If they want the kids back, they should have to change their names, first.

[RamboLiberal]

77. More on the story

One of the family's neighbors said she had been called by DYFS to testify at a hearing Thursday but said she had not witnessed any "sexual or physical abuse."

"He had some kind of hold over those kids and his wife. I don't think it was sexual or physical abuse, but the kids were confined to certain areas in the house," said Lori Dilts, 38, a neighbor and the daughter of the Campbells' landlord.

"It was more than just their names and the cake situation," said Dilts, who was reluctant to share any more details until after the hearing.

"Those children look outwardly healthy, but they didn't have much freedom," she said. "Occasionally, the little boy would come over here and would hate having to go back to his house."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=6648877&page=2

[chrissymac5000]

78. Outrage!!!

This is what is so fucked up with our country! As much as "normal" people think this is sick and in total outrage about it, IT'S FUCKING AMERICA!!! They have every absolute right to name their children whatever. I'm more outraged that people think just because their names they should have been taken out of the home, then the actually fact they were taken! I'm totally love your neighbor, I don't agree with the names of their children , but if nothing else was going on in the home, and they were taken for merely a name I think I don't want to live in this Country anymore. I named my son after Hunter S. Thompson, when will they come to my home and take my son??? Live and let live. It seems now day everyone believes themselves to be so self righteous. If you don't like it sometime you just need to look the other way, if it harms no one, (kinda like names) then let it be!

[ecstatic]

79. will their names be changed?

I sure hope so!

[seabeyond]

81. if it was just the names i would fight for the family, but saying more than the names

that they would not remove kids cause of names. i can see why they arent sharing with the rest of us, not our business...

so

best to the kids

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

84. They're not sharing the reason because of NJ state law

[seabeyond]

85. which they shouldnt. thanks. i assumed it was at least a rule. n/t