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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 12:24 AM
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When Debt Collectors Disrupt Dinner
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When Debt Collectors Disrupt Dinner
What to Say, and Not Say, When They Call About the Credit Card

By Mark Henricks
Special to the Washington Post
Sunday, February 1, 2009; F01



If the phone rings at dinnertime, the odds are greater now that a credit card debt collector will be on the other end.

With card delinquencies rising, debt collectors are jangling more Americans' phones. Some 4.79 percent of credit card accounts, approaching one in 20, were delinquent toward the end of 2008, according to the Federal Reserve. As recently as 2006, the rate was 3.95 percent, or about one in 25. And when card accounts go delinquent, defined as being 30 days past due, that's one of the primary triggers for a call from the credit card company.

The calls can be disconcerting. Even when the caller only wants to politely notify you that your payment has not been received, the questions can swirl inside a strapped consumer's head. Will I be sued? What if I lose a judgment? How will I cover attorneys' fees? Will my wages get garnished? In these difficult times, it's important to know your rights.

Borrowers need to remember that it may not be their fault that they've gotten a call. Some issuers may call for reasons unrelated to late payment. They may want to discuss why a borrower has exceeded a credit limit, suffered a sudden deterioration in a credit score or is late on a payment on another account. The credit card issuer may have taken some action leading to the call. For instance, many card issuers are raising interest rates, which can cause payments to increase, perhaps beyond a borrower's ability to pay.

"People are struggling under their debts, and debt payments are being missed and sent in late," said Scott Talbott, senior vice president of government affairs for the Financial Services Roundtable, a Washington-based industry group. "The calls are a natural part of that contract. Secondly, the industry is tightening up credit. That might kick you into missing a payment or having an overage fee."

Several large banks that issue credit cards declined to comment on reasons they call borrowers or the volume of calls they make. But there is little doubt, based on the higher delinquency rates, that the number of calls has increased. "When an account becomes past due or delinquent, a consumer will be contacted," said Robert Markoff, a Chicago attorney and president of the Chicago-based National Association of Retail Collection Attorneys. "It's always been that way. The only change is that more consumers are delinquent."

By the time the phone rings with a call about a credit card problem, it may already be too late to take the smartest first step. That is, to call the company first. "When you start to get in trouble, call your lender and say, 'I'm in trouble; let's talk about options,' " Talbott said. "They're very willing to talk with you." It may be easier to successfully request a lower interest rate, have late or over-limit fees waived or otherwise improve your situation if the borrower makes the first move.

If that opportunity is past, do not simply ignore the calls. After an account goes more than 90 days past due, the lender may have the debt collected by a third-party debt collection agency. That's not all bad, because consumers have greater legal protections when dealing with third-party debt collectors. The federal Fair Debt Collection Practices Act provides a host of restrictions on collectors.

The act doesn't apply, however, to the original lender. And if the original creditor sells the debt to another company, Talbott said, the law treats the new owner the same as the original lender. In either of these cases, collectors have wide latitude in how and when they contact borrowers.

Although burdened by fewer restrictions, credit card companies are less likely than third-party agencies to be unreasonable or unpleasant. For the most part, the original lender will want to keep the borrower as a customer. "If you've missed three or four payments and your account has been turned over to a debt collector, it's going to be much more difficult to work something out," said Sally Hurme, who works on consumer protection efforts as senior project manager of financial security for AARP in Washington.




When talking with a caller about a debt, caution is the watchword. While it's essential to be completely truthful, a consumer cannot be forced to answer any questions. Some experts advise avoiding even acknowledging owing the debt. And there are some things that should never be said.




For instance, do not agree to a payment plan you cannot handle. "If you tell a collector of any sort that you're going to pay $1,000 tomorrow and you can't do that, you're only asking for more phone calls," said Markoff.

Also be careful about providing personal financial information. Some collectors will ask for your bank account number and bank routing number, warned Gail Cunningham of the National Foundation for Credit Counseling. But that is not a request borrowers should cooperate with.

"If bad goes to worse, and the collector gets a judgment against you, they'll have all the information they need to start dipping into your account to pull funds," she said.

While being careful about information released, consumers should be obsessive about collecting information about the caller, especially when they know or suspect they are dealing with a third-party debt collector. Start by trying to identify the caller's company. Credit card issuers will usually be forthright; collection agencies may try to hide their identity. It is best to get the name and mailing address of the company. The reason: A written request to stop calling must, under the federal debt collection act, be honored by a third-party collector.

Another request that must be honored by a third-party collector is a demand for verification that the borrower actually owes the amount. "You have the right by law to request documentation of this debt," Cunningham said. Often older debts may have been sold and resold several times. It's not unusual for a collector to be unable to document that a borrower has actually borrowed the money, in which case collection will be difficult.

Borrowers should always remember that they talk to collectors only on their own volition. No one can be forced to talk. If court action is mentioned or appears likely, borrowers should consult with their attorney, Markoff said. Once an attorney has been retained, collectors can no longer contact the borrower, only the attorney.

And if a borrower files for bankruptcy, then all collection efforts must cease.

Simply refusing to talk, however, probably won't end the matter. "The consumer will still owe the debt," Cunningham said, "so failure to work out a repayment plan may result in legal actions such as wage garnishment or a judgment being filed." In addition to filing a lawsuit against the borrower, collectors may try to collect from any co-guarantors.

Consumers willing to talk usually get more favorable repayment terms and, most of the time, end up paying less than the original balance, Talbott said. The card issuer may restructure the debt, or refer the borrower to a consumer credit counseling company to set up a debt management plan. Lenders may forgive interest and lower interest rates. However, federal regulations say lenders cannot forgive principal unless it is paid in full within 3 months. "This is very onerous," observes Talbott, who said his group is lobbying to relax these restrictions.

While consumers currently have significant protections, especially against third-party collectors, they are likely to receive more before long. "There is going to be a consumer protection wave, which we support, that will sweep through Congress," predicted Talbott.

And, already, any time a call about a credit card problem occurs, no matter the time or place or caller, ending the call is always an option. "A consumer has a right to terminate a phone call," Markoff said. "If a collector demands something you can't do, you have a right to say, 'No, thank you. Goodbye.' "


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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 02:28 AM
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1. bull shit... if you call a company when you know you are facing trouble,
they will not do anything to help at all. They don't do anything like reduce the interest or make a stop c.c. and pay at least on principal or set up a payment plan of reduced amt for the next year or so. What needs to happen is debt forgiveness. There is no way that America is going to come close to paying off its debt. Look at the foreclosures on homes. No one is paying the banks shit.. and the banks will never get back any of the money that they lost. Time to hit the streets. Its sad to hear that Europe is in a populace uprise, and Americans are just bending over again.
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Systematic Chaos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 04:31 AM
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2. Not only will they do NOTHING to help you, they look for any opportunity to THWART you!
I know this from personal experience.

Back in 2003 when my health and everything (except my marriage which is golden) in my life fell apart, I tried a debt consolidation to try and keep my finances under some sort of control. I had about $5k in credit debt, plus my car and student loan payments. The credit card debt was mostly in the form of a bunch of small accounts under $1,000 like gas cards and Best Buy, although a couple lines were larger.

Anyway, when this all went down I was making a series of monthly payments from about $15 on up on all those accounts. When it all got consolidated, the disbursement was set up so that the smallest accounts got about $8 each and it went up from there. I made every payment to CCCS on time, and as far as I know they paid out all the disbursements on time. Then one day I receive my monthly bill from one of the smallest cards with an $8 payment arrangement, telling me "we're sorry, but your disbursement was late - therefore we're assessing a late fee of $32 and an over-limit fee of $20..." (or whatever the actual amounts were, I know I'm pretty close).

This effectively wiped out five months worth of effort on that one account. I was also told by CCCS that should my creditors get wind of any late payments, they could simply rescind the offer of settling through CCCS! I was just absolutely shell shocked, and when I called the creditor asking for some kind of leniency, they pretty much told me where to stick it.

In return, I just stopped paying everything. My credit is shot for life now, and it would be one way or the other at this point I guess, because I'm trying to get on disability anyway and will need that for a while, if not for life. I've had no income of my own in a year now, and just making it on what my wife makes is difficult at best. One good thing out of all this though, I talked with the government about my student loans which I haven't been able to pay on in over two years, and they are willing to dismiss those totally upon review of my medical records. It's funny how sometimes you need to end up in such dire straits to get these idiots off your back, but hey, whatever works. :shrug:
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exboyfil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 05:12 AM
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3. Last year I took over my grandmothers finances
and she came to me owing $60,000 in credit card debt. I dutifully notified her creditors that, given that she was Title 19 in a Nursing home and had no funds, she would be unable to ever pay. They still keep calling even though they have been notified in writing to stop.

They are vultures.

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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 05:47 AM
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4. If you get to that point, you might consider keeping very little in your bank account
or depositing your paycheck and immediately getting money orders for your bills..leave just enough in it to keep it open.. If they get permission to deduct from your account, you'll have returned check fees out the wazoo when they drain your account..

Bankruptcy filing will protect you from the vultures. I don;t think they are allowed to call you after you file..
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JoDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 07:53 AM
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5. No, they are not
Once you retain an attorney, all collections communications must go through the attorney. After you file, an automatic stay goes into effect and all collections activity must cease. Otherwise, the company is in violation of the law.

The tough part is if you choose to file without an attorney. I am preparing my paperwork now, and have been openly accused of lying when I have informed collections callers about my plans. Right, I'm gonna lie about taking the more severe personal financial option possible. But it did make me smile when I managed to get 2 collections agents fired for violating the Fair Debt Collections Practices Act. Ahhhh sweet payback!
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