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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 07:29 PM
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Ann Comptom just said " Norad scrambled planes immediately after first plane hit tower"
I can't the belive the bullshit going on C-Span right now.
Total revisionist of 9-11.
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masuki bance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 07:31 PM
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1. If the gov't was in on it, do you think
Obama would let it slide?
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 07:37 PM
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4. I think he would let it slide if the truth was to devastating to tell
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masuki bance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 07:41 PM
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5. In what way would it be too devastating?
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cbc5g Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 07:45 PM
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7. seriously?
It would lead to riots if it was revealed that mossad and/or the bush crime syndicate had a hand in the attacks. I never will believe the official explanation. Bush would have been a one term nobody President without 9/11.
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 07:46 PM
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8. Yeah. Instead, he was a two-term nobody.
n/t
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 09:38 PM
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20. But 9/11 was a big asset in "winning" that second term,

though of course his "win" in Ohio was questionable.
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 08:53 PM
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15. It should cause a riot
That we have been lied too about 9/11 but none have happened. Bush benefited from 9/11. It gave him his Kingdom. They can yell all they want about NORAD sending planes after the first plane hit. That was like 45 minutes after they knew it was hijacked. Way to go NORAD. They still missed 4 planes. Something that had been unheard of till that day. Like fire causing buildings to collapse at 10 stories a second. Yes there should be riots but not for the truth being told.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 07:49 PM
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10. Might make people stop voting. That's not good.
After the 1960s, voter participation dropped into the toilet. It's only occasionally spiked upward in a few elections, the most recent election being one of those spikes, but in general, the trend is down. People don't trust the government like they did anymore. It means the less people vote, the more frustrated and powerless they become. Eventually, when too few people vote, it becomes far too easy to manipulate the few who do vote to bring forth something considered "necessary," like a "temporary" dictatorship or a curtailment of freedoms, sort of like the promise to Romans that the Caesar would give up power back to the Senate once the Republic was secured.
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lutefisk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 09:51 PM
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21. The truth would (will) be cathartic to the nation and the world, not devastating.
I think I know what you mean- that if the administration thinks it will cause unrest they will continue to lie- but I think they are wrong. The whole f***ing world has been off-kilter for the past 7 years because something is clearly missing from the official story. The real story needs to come out, and not 100 years from now...
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 08:43 PM
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13. I also think he has a little to much on his plate right now to be able to
sift through all the papers from *ss's administration to find evidence.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 09:31 PM
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18. Yes.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 07:31 PM
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2. How long was the time?
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 07:34 PM
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3. after all 4 attacks...
then only 4 planes were sent and they were sent out over the Atlantic, miles away from the activity.
In fact, Cheney said the order to NOT shoot down any planes " still stood" when he was questioned about it
by a staffer as they thought a plane was heading to the WH.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 07:44 PM
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6. I thought there was an order to stand-down the planes on 9/11?
I had heard that for years now, and my only question is exactly who was the bastard who ordered those planes grounded when somebody was attacking the US.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 07:47 PM
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9. They were scrambled at 8:46 that morning, exactly the time the first plane hit the tower
But not "because" the first plane hit the tower. According to http://www.911timeline.net/ (is this reputable? I don't know):

16) 8:21 a.m.: Betty Ong, a flight attendant on American Airlines Flight 11, calls Vanessa Minter at American Airlines reservations from the seatback phone. "She said two flight attendants had been stabbed, one was on oxygen," said the manager on duty. "A passenger had his throat slashed and looked dead and they had gotten into the cockpit." She identifies the seats of the hijackers and confirms that the plane is descending.

30) 8:40 a.m.: The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) notifies NORAD that American Airlines Flight 11 has been hijacked. Even NORAD officially admitted that the FAA told them about the hijacking of American Airlines Flight 11 at 8:40.

36) 8:46 a.m.: NORAD orders the 102nd Fighter Wing of the Otis Air National Guard Base in Falmouth, Massachusetts to scramble two of their F-15 fighters. This is from the 102nd Fighter Wing's mission statement of September 11, 2001. "Our aircraft and their crews are on continuous 24-hour, 365-day alert to guard our skies. The 102nd Fighter Wing's area of responsibility includes over 500,000 square miles, 90 million people, and the major industrial centers of Boston, New York, Philadelphia, and Washington, D.C."

37) 8:46:26 a.m.: American Airlines Flight 11 impacts the north side of the North Tower (1 World Trade Center) of the WTC between the 94th and 98th floors. American Airlines Flight 11 was flying at a speed of 490 miles per hour (MPH).
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 08:47 PM
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14. That site is very reputable.
Scrambled, but told to stand down, is what I had read.
I may need to check the 911 Commission report again.

I do remember Norm Mineta, Sec. Transportatin, testified he was sitting in the basement of WH with Cheney and Cheney repeated " the stand down order was still in effect.."
CHENEY's order.
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NV Whino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 08:04 PM
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11. Well no wonder they didn't act
You can't get the damned things in the air if they're all scrambled up. Kinda like a tangled kite string, ya know.
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 08:16 PM
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12. Weren't they scrambled, but Cheney ordered them to "Stand Down" ?
(So Compton could be technically correct - they were scrambled/alerted)
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 08:55 PM
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16. There was a great deal of confusion at the time
Because of "drills" that were "coincidentally" scheduled that very morning (and under Darth Cheney's supervision) nobody realized at first whether the reports they were getting were real or simulated. However, that excuse shouldn't apply after 8:46 and most definitely after 9:02.

In either case, there's no reason whatsoever why the Pentagon should have remained wide open a full half hour after the second WTC hit. Somebody was keeping the stand down order in effect, and my money's on the mechanical hearted Sith Lord himself.
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TexasProgresive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 09:30 PM
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17. As someone who served in the Air Defense Command
I have never understood why those planes were not bracketed by interceptors as soon as they went out of route, surely the plane that hit the Pentagon and the one that crashed in Pennsylvania.

Sadly I know now that my former command that was charged with protecting the U.S. airways is no longer. In 1979 the ADC was done away with and its mission given to TAC. It's my opinion, humble or not, that TAC is next to useless.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Defense_Command

That said, the protocol is still to launch sorties to intercept any commercial airplane that is out of its filed flight plan to determine the cause. In October, 1999 when Payne Stewart's Lear was unresponsive:
Fighter jets were sent after the plane and followed it for much of its flight but were unable to help. The pilots drew close and noticed no structural damage but were unable to see into the Learjet because its windows were frosted over, indicating the temperature inside was well below freezing. Since the plane was on a route that was not posing a real danger it was allowed to crash when it ran out of fuel. It was assumed that all aboard were dead.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/golf/pga/news/1999/10/25/stewart_plane_ap/index.html
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 09:36 PM
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19. Stewart Air Force Base is minutes by jet from the Hudson River and could have
intercepted the 2 planes from Boston. Stewart is part of NORAD.
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