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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 10:48 PM Original message |
I really hate the term "illegal immigrants" |
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vadawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
1. i dont mind the term at all, its technical and very accurate, better than aliens, to x filey |
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obiwan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 11:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
15. I agree. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 11:15 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Misleading & inaccurate |
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Angleae (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 11:27 PM Original message |
It is illegal to be here (in the US) without documents. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 11:37 PM Response to Original message |
36. No. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 11:44 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Try using that sophistry the next time you're cited for an "illegal left turn." |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 11:47 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. It's not sophistry |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 01:49 AM Response to Reply #40 |
52. It's a legal distinction without a substantive difference. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 08:09 AM Response to Reply #52 |
71. Whatever |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 10:43 AM Response to Reply #71 |
104. Your posts are one-sided in the extreme. |
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alstephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 04:43 PM Response to Reply #104 |
110. I don't find Marie26's posts one-sided or extreme. |
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Angleae (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 01:06 AM Response to Reply #36 |
47. Start with Title 8, USC |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 01:15 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. OK |
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Angleae (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 01:32 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. You want specifics? |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 01:36 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. See post 25 |
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Angleae (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 02:12 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. If you are present in the US without documentation/authorization |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 08:16 AM Response to Reply #55 |
72. Mostly. |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
82. So... |
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Synicus Maximus (828 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 07:12 PM Response to Reply #82 |
127. No, because you can get copies of your birth certificate or passport. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 08:41 AM Response to Reply #1 |
81. Much like speeders may be validly referred to as "illegal drivers"... |
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alstephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 04:49 PM Response to Reply #81 |
112. No human being is "illegal"... |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 06:55 PM Response to Reply #112 |
121. I agree... |
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Synicus Maximus (828 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 07:09 PM Response to Reply #112 |
123. True, no one in and of themselves are illegal, but |
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alstephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 08:06 PM Response to Reply #123 |
128. Yes, illegal actions. |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
2. How else would you describe those who |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 10:51 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. You're ascribing |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 10:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
12. Undocumented |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 11:04 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. ...which are required by law |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 11:09 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Nope |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 11:14 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. dupe. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 11:14 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. They are required by law to live and work in the United States. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 11:21 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. No |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 11:16 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Nope right back atcha |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 11:22 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Nope back at you. |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 11:30 PM Response to Reply #25 |
33. Going to have to disagree with you on those... |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 11:41 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Or |
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vadawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 12:17 AM Response to Reply #37 |
45. nowadays thats changing with the new programs |
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alstephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #45 |
113. You must work for Sheriff Joe. |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 06:39 AM Response to Reply #25 |
65. If they weren't born here |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 08:17 AM Response to Reply #65 |
73. No |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 08:25 AM Response to Reply #73 |
76. What a croc. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 08:26 AM Response to Reply #76 |
77. How so? |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 08:33 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. How would you legally enter the country |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 09:05 AM Response to Reply #80 |
86. OK |
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alstephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 04:54 PM Response to Reply #80 |
114. Geez, read the posts. |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 05:11 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. Thanks for adding absolutely nothing to the discussion nt |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 11:29 PM Response to Reply #16 |
31. yep |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 11:31 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Actually, the BP's use the word "Tonk" |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 12:05 AM Response to Reply #34 |
41. what does that mean? |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 02:03 AM Response to Reply #41 |
54. They told me it came about as an allusion to the sound |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 10:14 AM Response to Reply #54 |
92. ah I can see why I don't know that, being a "civilian" |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 11:43 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. It's a pet peeve of mine. |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 12:08 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. I'm really sick of it all. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 10:07 AM Response to Reply #42 |
91. There's good money in printing "entry documents" |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 10:17 AM Response to Reply #91 |
94. Well, I was thinking more of an official business |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 07:20 AM Response to Reply #38 |
70. If you can " criminalize" a group of people who look different, |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 08:20 AM Response to Reply #70 |
74. I agree. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 10:06 AM Response to Reply #38 |
89. Between 65,000 and 75,000 Canadians |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 06:47 PM Response to Reply #38 |
120. it's the r word |
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Control-Z (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 02:17 AM Response to Reply #16 |
56. By that logic, it is not illegal |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 08:21 AM Response to Reply #56 |
75. Nope |
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obiwan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 11:16 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. Or proof of U.S. citizenship required by law to work or get public services. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 11:24 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. No problem |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 11:27 PM Response to Reply #12 |
29. What if they're documented, but still here illegally? |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 11:29 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. I don't get the question |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #12 |
108. And they don't have the required documents because |
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alstephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 08:09 PM Response to Reply #2 |
129. Are you talking about ALL undocumented immigrants??? |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
3. What term would you prefer to use to describe immigrants who are here illegally? (nt) |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 10:51 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. You're ascribing |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 10:55 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. To what cause? (nt) |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
6. Me too. What makes us assume they wish to immigrate? n/t |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 10:55 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Illegal workers? (nt) |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 10:19 AM Response to Reply #8 |
96. It's a venn diagram |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 10:58 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. The fact that they are no longer in their country of origin, |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 11:26 PM Response to Reply #10 |
28. By that standard, Iraq has a lot of illegal immigrants too. n/t |
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Regret My New Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 12:14 AM Response to Reply #28 |
43. Are you comparing undocumented/illegal immigrants to an occupying army? |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 12:14 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Hardly a new sentiment |
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Regret My New Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 12:17 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. I'm sure the number of real members who believe such ridiculousness is fairly low. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 10:15 AM Response to Reply #43 |
93. Your response is better than "How dare you call our troops illegal immigrants!" |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
9. Well, I can see disliking the fact |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 11:00 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. I prefer to refer to people as "illegals" |
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GA_ArmyVet (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 08:40 PM Response to Reply #9 |
130. Spot on... |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
11. Especially since it's NOT A CRIME! |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 11:18 PM Response to Reply #11 |
23. Try Again |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 11:23 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. See above. nt |
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greenkal (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
20. Describing someone as an illegal |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 11:27 PM Response to Reply #20 |
30. One small step for hyperbole, one giant leap for reality. n/t |
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greenkal (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 11:34 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Maybe you didn't pay attention in history... |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 09:57 AM Response to Reply #35 |
88. I always thought the first step toward genocide was breakfast. |
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asteroid2003QQ47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #88 |
118. Were ALL your Momma's children born with their cord around their neck? n/t |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #118 |
126. Only the ones who did pay attention in history class. |
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asteroid2003QQ47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 10:20 PM Response to Reply #126 |
132. "Am I dehumanizing you?" You likely would if you could but you can't! |
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bunkerbuster1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 06:28 AM Response to Reply #20 |
63. While it's more than one step away from the ovens... |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 01:41 AM Response to Original message |
51. Other people who study this phenomena agree with you and |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 02:02 AM Response to Original message |
53. I hate the phrase "jobs Americans won't do". |
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shari (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 02:21 AM Response to Reply #53 |
57. yes |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 02:27 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. It also suggests that certain people are naturally predisposed to be slaves |
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asteroid2003QQ47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 05:14 AM Response to Original message |
59. Here is "simple face value' with "NO other meaning"--- |
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yellowwood (550 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 06:19 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. So True |
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asteroid2003QQ47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 07:10 AM Response to Reply #61 |
69. Those who defend the usage of "illegal immigrants" would make a good... |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 10:25 AM Response to Reply #69 |
97. My presence in this country is legitimate. n/t |
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asteroid2003QQ47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 05:11 PM Response to Reply #97 |
117. The absence of a link indicates otherwise! eom |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 07:09 PM Response to Reply #117 |
124. Guess you're going to have to sue to get at the truth. |
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asteroid2003QQ47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 10:26 PM Response to Reply #124 |
133. It's been a long hard day, the friendly wave is not unappreciated. |
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Indy Lurker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 05:51 AM Response to Original message |
60. Perhaps it means they operate illegally |
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bunkerbuster1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 06:33 AM Response to Reply #60 |
64. yebbut come on. |
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eilen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 06:54 AM Response to Reply #60 |
68. Working with an illegal social security number implies identity theft |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 10:34 AM Response to Reply #68 |
99. maybe you could esplain to your brother |
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eilen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 10:38 AM Response to Reply #99 |
101. He has plenty of time to talk |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 10:46 AM Response to Reply #101 |
106. Trust me I know the results - the husband is a stone mason and we are |
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alstephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 05:08 PM Response to Reply #60 |
115. "Operate illegally"??? |
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bunkerbuster1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 06:24 AM Response to Original message |
62. Could almost not agree more... |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 06:42 AM Response to Original message |
66. It's like focusing on the illegality of Blacks sitting in at lunch counters in the South. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 06:45 AM Response to Original message |
67. The one I really dislike is "undocuments migrants". |
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Belial (503 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 08:30 AM Response to Original message |
78. So lets make up names for things so when the law is broken |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 10:39 AM Response to Reply #78 |
102. or lets make the civil code that may or may not have been broken |
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Iktomiwicasa (942 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 08:31 AM Response to Original message |
79. Wish my folks... |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 08:55 AM Response to Original message |
83. Most of us are illegal |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 08:58 AM Response to Original message |
84. I think "Illegal Immigrants" is OK. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 09:01 AM Response to Original message |
85. If a person immigrated to our country illegally, then its a fine term. |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
87. Okay.... FRAUDULENT immigrants who are also co-conspirators to employment fraud. |
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tangent90 (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
90. Thanks but I'll just stick with the term. It does not offend me. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
95. I don't like it because it implies... |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
98. It's A Perfectly Logical Thing To Reference Them By. |
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MessiahRp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
100. I never blame "illegal immigrants" anyway... |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 10:43 AM Response to Reply #100 |
103. What, you want to look for real causes to the racist infighting |
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MessiahRp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:09 AM Response to Reply #103 |
107. That would be the idea... |
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Gin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 10:43 AM Response to Reply #100 |
105. same here.....lumping "immigrants" with "illegal aliens" tarnishes the term immigrant (IMO) |
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quickesst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
109. We could just call them.. |
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TWiley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
111. I have been sayiing ...... ILLEGAL AMERICANS |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
119. What do you want to call them, be my guest. |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
122. another whiny liberal "pc policeman" |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
125. then don't use it. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
131. I'll take "illegal immigrant" over ALIEN any day. Seriously. n/t |
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