Fuck these greedy, arrogant, rich bastards!

[kentuck]

Their noses stuck so high in the air that they would drown in a rainstorm. No regard for anything but their own wealth and comfort. No compassion for anyone. Yes, it's class warfare and they have finally sold the rope to hang themselves with. And now, our government wants to buy that rope back?

They should not be rewarded for their greed and incompetence. They should suffer the consequences of the marketplace. They are pulling the wool over the eyes of the American people. If you let us fail, they say, our entire system will collapse. Bullshit! They will collapse. The rest of the market will survive, albeit, paranoid as hell.

Amd now, the argument that we are spending too much money and cannot afford healthcare and education, will be put on the back burner, never to be heard of again for a long time. Cheney and Reagan said "deficits don't matter". But now, they do? We will have sacrificed everything for the people to help these greedy bastards. That will be the bottom line.

[Delphinus]

1. It all depends on who the deficits will be

spent upon. It's obvious to all that the education system and the health care non-system simply are NOT important!

[Sebastian Doyle]

2. K&R

The reality of "class warfare" is that they declared it 28 years ago. And it's amazing how many are still in denial of this fact, even here at DU.

[KansDem]

3. The threat of martial law by the Bush White House needs to be investigated.

Someone told members of Congress last year that if the bailout didn't past, there would be martial law. I'd like to know who made the threat and why...

[elizfeelinggreat]

22. It seems possible they were threatened more than we know

from the strange actions they've taken. Can you give us more information about this?

Thanks.

[leftchick]

hope and change hope and change hope and change

we sure got fucked. We have regressed a whole century, we are practically back to 1907 when the robber barons reigned. Only today the robber barons have quadrupled.

[stillcool]

12. don't expect the American people..

to lift a finger for 'hope and change'..it could be handed to them on a silver platter, but unless the media tells them it's okay..it's not okay.

[earth mom]

14. Yep-the people of this country were sold false hope and false change.

And still people are in denial!

How can people not see what is right in front of their faces?! :wtf:

[Klukie]

4. When they are nameless and faceless greedy bastards......

they will escape unpunished and undeterred...they need exposure. Care to add to my list?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5313289&mesg_id=5313289

[Orwellian_Ghost]

5. K&R

[rhett o rick]

6. Wall Street is currently holding the economy hostage. If they don't get their blackmail billions

they will shut down the economy. This may mean no food delivered to your local grocery stores. How long could the average American survive that before rioting? Pres Obama needs to form a team that can take over when Wall Street shuts down, to handle the essential operations to continue to feed and protect this country.

[kentuck]

7. Safeway is not going to close.

Because of AIG. That is just more fear-mongering that continues from the Bush Administration.

[Belial]

8. That didn't come from the Bushies..

[kentuck]

9. It WAS Bush and Paulson...

that first came out and said that the system would collapse if we did not give them $700 billion dollars immediately?

[Belial]

10. I seem to recall a WHOLE bunch of people saying that..

and for the last couple of months I have heard NOTHING but GLOOM and DOOM.. to pass an extra couple of trillion dollars..

[kentuck]

11. Yes.

But, let's not forget who planted the seed?

[stillcool]

13. The 'doom and gloom' is actually 'hope'...

for the Republican party. The Stock Market goes down it's Obama's fault, the stock market goes up..all quiet on the Republican front. Paulson etal, yelled fire..and Congress responded. There are plenty of economists who believe that a crisis was averted. The problem is the Republicans, and especially the Bush Administration, always figures out a way to make money out of a crisis.

[Gin]

15. someone on this board posted an idea I liked.....debit cards for everyone

only activated at point of sale...I would spend every cent...they are giving the money to the wrong people...

[rhett o rick]

19. It was called fear mongering when in the late '90's people were warning about

the collapse of the dot.com bubble. It wasn't fear mongering when this crash was predicted a year ago. I would rather be cautious to a fault than too carefree.

Who owns Safeway? And will they be able to operate if their bank closes? How about the trucking companies?

[girl gone mad]

16. They don't have that kind of power.

They are just a bunch of glorified gamblers. They don't actually do anything productive, and they certainly don't manage the day to day operation of America's grocers.

[stillcool]

17. they have the power to shut it all down...

These interests control the Federal Reserve through about 300 stockholders:

* Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin
* Lazard Brothers Bank of Paris
* Israel Moses Seif Bank of Italy
* Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam
* Lehman Brothers Bank of New York
* Kuhn, Loeb and Co. of New York
* Chase Manhattan Bank of New York
* Goldman, Sachs of New York
Because of the way the Reserve was organized, whoever controls the Federal Reserve Bank of New York controls the system, About 90 of the 100 largest banks are in this district.
Of the reportedly 203,053 shares of the New York bank:

* Rockefeller's National City Bank had 30,000 shares
* Morgan's First National Bank had 15,000 shares
* Chase National Bank had 6,000 shares
* National Bank of Commerce (Morgan Guaranty Trust) had 21,000 shares.
A June 15, 1978 Senate Report called "Interlocking Directorates Among the Major U.S. Corporations" revealed that five New York banks had 470 interlocking directorates with 130 major U.S. corporations:

* Citicorp (97)
* J.P. Morgan Co. (99)
* Chase Manhattan (89)
* Manufacturers Hanover (89)
* Chemical Bank (96)

According to Eustace Mullins, these banks are major stock holders in the Fed. In his book World Order, he said that these five banks are "controlled from London". Mullins said:
"Besides its controlling interest in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, the Rothschilds had developed important financial interests in other parts of the United States ... The entire Rockefeller empire was financed by the Rothschilds."
A May, 1976 report of the House Banking and Currency Committee indicated: "The Rothschild banks are affiliated with Manufacturers Hanover of London in which they hold 20 percent ... and Manufacturers Hanover Trust of New York". The Report also revealed that Rothschild Intercontinental Bank, Ltd., which consisted of Rothschild banks in London, France, Belgium, New York, and Amsterdam, had three American subsidiaries: National City Bank of Cleveland, First City National Bank of Houston, and Seattle First National Bank. It is believed that the Rothschilds hold 53% of the stock of the U.S. Federal Reserve. Each year, billions of dollars are "earned" by Class A stockholders from U.S. tax dollars which go to the Fed to pay interest on bank loans.

[rhett o rick]

18. I am certainly not an economist and am not speaking from any authority. But the whole country runs

on credit. If the banks close, I think you will see all kinds of businesses not being able to make payrolls, hire subcontractors, pay utility bills, etc. Who owns the grocery stores? Probably banks. It would be wonderful if Pres Obama could tell Wall Street to go to hell. But he hasn't, in fact he has given them billions. i hope you are right. But it doesn't look that way to me.

[blindpig]

20. No, they don't do anything productive.

Yet the do have the power to shut things down because they own everything important, their employees will do as they are told for fear of their next check.

Is that not fucked up or what? Why do we continue to tolerate this ridiculous, unjust arrangement?

[blindpig]

21. They have all the cards in a game they wrote the rules for.

Time to change he rules.