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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 08:26 PM
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It took a hell of a lot longer than eight years to get where we are. Try 30+ years.
But it's not about the waiting. It's not about that at all. Some of us are just sick and damned tired of the suffering.

As it is right now, the government's priority seems to be, "What can we do that will have the broadest positive effect?"

That sounds fine and good until you realize that the people suffering the MOST are not included in that category. Broad does not equal deep. The most pain is felt from the people are fall outside of the current fix-it zone. People who are living with institutional racism and the devastation that it brings to innocent lives. People who are barred from the deathbeds of their beloved partners and losing their homes after tragedies because our federal government can't be bothered to stop discrimination against gay people. People who are suffering from excruciating pain, and dying in agony, because the assholes in charge of our government can't get over Reefer Madness and loosen restrictions on medical marijuana and opiate pain medications. People who are dying violently every single day because nobody's willing to spend the political capital to say NO MORE BOMBS. People who are sitting at home right here in America, waiting to die, because they don't have health insurance and can't afford their medication, and our government keeps dicking them around on Social Security and Medicaid red tape.

It's not just Obama. It's the entire fucking mess of them up there in Washington. If doctors and nurses triaged patients the way that these jokers are "triaging" issues, they'd be sued into oblivion and stripped of their licenses. They're treating colds and broken fingers when people are bleeding to death in the next room--but ya know, the ones who colds and broken fingers have MONEY and voting power and they're hella upset. Then they turn their attention to one dying patient--the economy--and we're all supposed to jump all over ourselves with fucking glee. Yay! They're doing something productive! Woohoo! And never mind the fact that a lot of these issues can be fixed at the SAME TIME as the economy's being fixed. No, we shouldn't speak of that.

And if anyone raises a voice about the bleeding, dying people being ignored, well THOSE people are just concern-troll, Limbaugh-esque, PUMA, Hater, Freeper, Purist Nitwits. Would you rather have no help at all? Would you rather have McCain/Palin?

My Mom was released from the hospital today, guys. She had a heart attack a few days ago--her third--and until yesterday they were talking major bypass surgery because her heart is in such bad shape right now. Then they realized that she wasn't insured, and all that talk died away overnight. They stabilized her with a couple of stents and sent her home with prescriptions she can't afford to have filled. Who cares if she dies next week? That's all that they were legally required to do for a patient with no insurance--stabilize and send them on their way. She's back at home with her oxygen tank, afraid to move around much, and we're scrambling to try and figure out how we can get her the help she needs *right now* before her medicine runs out and she has another--perhaps her last--heart attack. I am furious. I am bleeding inside over it. I have been crying off and on all damned day.

It took thirty-odd years to break everything, and I don't deny that it'll take thirty-odd years or longer to fix everything. But is it asking too much to expect them to fix the worst, most painful, dire problems first? The economy surely counts as one dire thing, but is that really all that can be done? One thing at a time?

It's stupid to blame it all on Obama, and I don't. It's equally stupid to claim that our government--ALL of it--is only capable of dealing with one crisis at a time. I don't buy it for a second, and neither should any of you. I hear a lot of excuses and accusations and name-calling...PUMA, Purist, Troll, Hater, Freeper, Shit-Stirrer. I don't hear much in the way of support. I don't hear, "Hey, maybe we SHOULD start raising some hell. An awful lot of innocent people are suffering badly, and our government could make a real difference in that suffering without too much effort if we could just let them know how important it is." It's not about OBAMA. It's about the federal government machine that he happens to be the President of at the moment. I don't even care about who promised what and when, I just want somebody to give my Mom some damned medicine and medical care before she fucking DIES.

But like some other lovely poster said today: we're just a bunch of selfish, whiny, "special interests." We're dragging everybody else down. We're damaging The Party.

Insult to injury, folks. Insult to injury. And how much more injury can any of us be reasonably expected to stand? How much more is MY MOTHER expected to stand? It is too much to bear sometimes. And to come here, the only safe place that I and many other HAVE, just to be told that we need to settle down and wait...?

Some of us don't have time to wait much longer.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 08:28 PM
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1. +1
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 08:31 PM
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 08:33 PM
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3. Sorry about your mom.
We need single-payer health care NOW!

:dem:

-Laelth
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 08:34 PM
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4. I've been saying "28 years", but you're right, it's probably longer.
Edited on Sun Mar-29-09 08:35 PM by Sebastian Doyle
After all, the Bush Crime Family (and their associates ) have been trying to tear it all down since FDR rebuilt it. They just started getting away with it blatantly after 1980.

And I'm so sorry about what your mother is going through. Along with millions of others in similar circumstances. There is no excuse for it, and its time we stop enabling those who try to make one. :evilfrown:
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leftyclimber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 08:50 PM
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5. If doctors and nurses triaged patients
the way that these jokers are "triaging" issues, they'd be sued into oblivion and stripped of their licenses.

Right there, sister. Right there.

Recommended.
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pdowell Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 08:53 PM
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6. Completely agree...
And please find a doctor for your mother who understands how to use generic medications. I can give you some suggestions of the type of medications she should have been discharged on. 1) a type of drug called a beta-blocker of which generic options are Coreg (carvedilol), atenolol, and metoprolol, 2) cholesterol medication--simvastatin is generic and cheap but other options like Pravachol (pravastatin) and Mevachor (lovastatin) albeit not as potent are even cheaper, 3) an ACE-inhibitor to help protect heart function--isinopril is a great option. Because she had stents put in, she should have been sent home on Plavix. Unfortunately, Plavix is no longer generic because those filthy bastards who originally made Plavix sued the company making the generic version. She really needs to be on this medication for 6 months if she had a regular stent and one year if they placed a drug-eluting stent. You can go to plavix.com and they have a link for people who may have problems affording their ridiculously expensive drugs.

Good luck! Praying your mother does well.

P.S. I am a doctor; I'm not just making this stuff up. I'm an internist with 50% of my population being Medicare patients. Mind you, there are caveats to some of these recommendations, but she can discuss this with the person she follows up with. Just trying to be helpful by giving you some ammunition.
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 08:55 PM
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7. I'm not sure which she had
Edited on Sun Mar-29-09 09:07 PM by Lyric
Let me ask her--I'm not even sure what her newest medications are, to be honest. I know that she was on Plavix, Heparin, and Warfarin in the hospital, and that they had to stop those meds because she wouldn't stop bleeding from the catheter insertion site on her upper thigh/groin area.

Gimme 5 minutes and I'll edit with her answer.

Edit: Or not. She must be asleep already.

For what it's worth, a lot of her meds ARE generic. Some of the newer ones aren't, though. She has emphysema, and I suspect the more expensive ones are probably the Plavix and the breathing medications. The real problem is that she's poor--I mean REALLY poor. My whole family is, as am I. Even generics are sometimes out of our affordability range.

Second Edit: Oh crap--Welcome to DU! One thing: be careful not to give out actual medical advice on the site, as the admins frown upon that. I don't think you did, but I know that new-to-DU docs sometimes stumble over that rule without realizing that it's there.

:hug:
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pdowell Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 09:19 PM
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16. Emphysema..hmmm
Well, the beta-blockers may not be her best option because they can make breathing harder. But I definitely think you need to go to pparx.org or the individual websites of the drug companies and see what programs may be available.

And I agree with Laelth. Single payer would be the way to go, but it will never happen...too many physicians that cling to the Republican mantra. They are afraid of change. But many of us are not. Medicare is the easiest "insurance" to deal with in Arizona. They make their rules and stick to them. Blue Cross, United, HealthNet are always changing policies which makes things very difficult for physicians.
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 09:24 PM
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17. It feels so good to hear a doctor say these things.
How I wish you were a West Virginia doctor. My Mom WILL have Medicaid in the near future (honestly, she's on oxygen 24/7 and just had yet another heart attack--if that doesn't count as "unable to work" then I don't know what would!) I wish there was some way to find a progressive doctor to give her Medicaid dollars to.

We're already looking into the drug company programs--she was on such a program for a while a few years ago to get Neurontin after chemotherapy left her with damaged nerves and neuropathy. Our problem is that, since she was released on a Sunday, the docs only gave her enough take-home medicine to last a couple of days. We need to find a way to get her scripts filled *right now*, in the short-term, while we're looking into the other programs for the long-term.

I do appreciate your kindness. As I said, it's such a relief to hear from a progressive doctor. We don't have nearly enough of those around here.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 10:49 PM
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21. Welcome to DU.
And never say never. People can change, even doctors.

:patriot:

:dem:

-Laelth
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leftyclimber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 09:04 PM
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9. A belated welcome to DU, pdowell.
Thank you for your kind input. We need more compassionate physicians like you in this country.
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Rhythm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 09:05 PM
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11. Welcome aboard, pdowell
:hi: :hug:

Thank you for your willing and helping hands.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 09:10 PM
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15. welcome
Welcome to DU pdowell. Glad to have you here with us.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 08:59 PM
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8. You are excruciatingly correct. I'm so sorry about your mother, this is so wrong!
Our politicians are concerned with maintaining the status quo for the Owner Class, period. The rest of us get to suck wind, and that's the truth of it.

Sending healing thoughts to your mother,
sw
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Rhythm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 09:04 PM
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10. K&R
The economy surely counts as one dire thing, but is that really all that can be done? One thing at a time?

It hasn't been when the people in Congress WANTED to get things done. The direness of the situation just hasn't become personal yet. It hasn't 'hit home.'

They and their campaign contributors are still the ones with the stubbed toes making all the noise, completely blind to the rest of us bleeding dry in the waiting room.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 09:06 PM
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12. Bell Ringer, Door Banger, Eye Opener, Heart Breaker, Truth Teller, Fist Shaker
Willaim Greider on Moyers Journal urges us to nonviolently, urgently, actively "people of every stripe ... stand up and say, we love you Mr. President, but you don't have it right yet. And we're going to bang on your door until you get it right."

Every reason that you gave is part of this, part of the call to urge the president away from perpetuation of business as usual and corporate control of our government.

YOU ARE DOING IT RIGHT NOW. You are putting a face, a story, a heartbreak, an emergency on the abstract mess we're all in.

Thank you and may your family find a way through this with your mother safe and sound.





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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 09:08 PM
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13. Beautifully put, Lyric.
Bookmarking. Hugs to you and your mom. :hug:

I wish you had posted this in GDP today, although I can understand why you might not want to. This should be widely read and absorbed.

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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 09:10 PM
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14. excellent post
Thank you so much.

I am very sorry to hear about your Mom.


k and r


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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 09:32 PM
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18. Well said.
:hug:
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 09:51 PM
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19. You're so right. The wheels of this bureaucratic machine
move so slowly but I'm sure you got some useful information from this thread. My heart felt prayers and sympathy go out to you and your mother. Stay strong for your mother as she needs your strength.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 10:23 PM
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20. K & R Thanks, Lyric, and hope your mom

does well, can get meds soon.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 02:05 AM
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22. kick
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 06:30 AM
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23. We can't wait years to get out of this hole.

:kick:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 11:05 AM
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24. How are things today?
Edited on Mon Mar-30-09 11:06 AM by omega minimo
:grouphug:
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 04:52 PM
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25. Update on my Mom, for those who are interested: she just went
back to the hospital in an ambulance--chest pain and trouble breathing again.

I have no idea what will happen from here.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 07:05 PM
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26. I agree, and I'm so sorry about your mom
Money still talks louder than anything else, and it's gonna be hard to pry the corpos away from their power.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 08:25 PM
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27. "If...triaged patients the way that these jokers are 'triaging' issues, they'd be sued into oblivion
AMEN!


i am so sorry for you and your mother -- you deserve our outrage, as you are completely correct:"It's not about OBAMA. It's about the federal government machine that he happens to be the President of at the moment."

this 'damaging the party' bullshit has got to stop. obama himself has made a point of saying that he needs us to 'force' him to do the right thing. it's time to start forcing these issues. it's not an either/or thing. it's holistic. we're either against suffering or not.
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