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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 07:52 AM Original message |
Is it wrong to identify someone as "Black" when describing the person? |
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loyalkydem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 07:57 AM Response to Original message |
1. Don't sweat it |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:02 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. That's what I see here in Atlanta. |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:04 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. I'm assuming the point is using a race identifier when seemingly not essential to the discussion.... |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:08 AM Original message |
Good post |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:27 AM Response to Reply #5 |
30. That kind of usage makes me cringe. |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #5 |
77. Agree that is bad |
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misanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 02:52 PM Response to Reply #5 |
78. That has driven me NUTS for years... |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 07:59 AM Response to Original message |
2. I think that if they're using it simply to identify the person then it's probably okay. |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:02 AM Response to Original message |
3. when i object to it is when it is unnecessary |
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vadawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:06 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. no problem with him giving the description of someone acting suspicious |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:08 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Unless he was reporting it to the police, why would it be so important to point out race? |
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vadawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:13 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. i guess there must be something different about you, if you never use sex, race etc as descriptors |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:18 AM Response to Reply #12 |
17. I guess not.....I don't feel the need to identify race unless it has some bearing on the discussion. |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:09 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. all he had to say that there was a man in the bushes |
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vadawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:11 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. yeah there was a man hiding in the bushes, and yes he would have said a white guy, or fat guy |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:14 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. ya right |
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vadawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:16 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. no i think you are making a mountain outta molehill, or you dont get to talk to people a lot |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 10:03 AM Response to Reply #11 |
55. What if he said a gay guy? |
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dem629 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 10:17 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. LMAO. It's crazy analogy day! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 10:30 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Deleted message |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #58 |
63. Deleted message |
dem629 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #58 |
66. No, haven't seen any here. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:15 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. It's not immaterial when police is looking for a suspect. |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:19 AM Response to Reply #14 |
19. that wasn't the situation! |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 11:56 AM Response to Reply #19 |
67. Had I been in that situation, I would have wanted as complete a description as possible, |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 11:39 AM Response to Reply #14 |
61. They weren't talking to the cops |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 01:15 PM Response to Reply #61 |
70. But presumably they were talking to someone who lived in the neighborhood? |
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dem629 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:19 AM Response to Reply #10 |
18. OK, so you were offended. But that doesn't make it wrong.... |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:21 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. "it only means you're easily offended or looking for something to offended about" |
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dem629 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:22 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Of course it's a matter of perspective. |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:21 AM Response to Reply #18 |
23. BULLshit. |
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dem629 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:22 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Good one. |
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doctor jazz (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 09:46 AM Response to Reply #10 |
54. He certainly would have in many neighborhoods. |
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Coyote_Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:37 AM Response to Reply #3 |
35. You are taking offense at what |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:44 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. The situation described in the OP has nothing to do with the victim of a crime.... |
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dem629 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:46 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. They were responding to this: |
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Coyote_Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:54 AM Response to Reply #38 |
44. I was responding to post 3 |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 10:53 AM Response to Reply #35 |
59. please, give me a break |
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Coyote_Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #59 |
68. I did |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 01:10 PM Response to Reply #3 |
69. Was he describing a current problem - women being accosted by the lake? |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 11:39 AM Response to Reply #69 |
79. in the past |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:05 AM Response to Original message |
6. It depends. Are they? |
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vadawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:08 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. yeah i can see that working, "im in pursuit of a 6 foot male accountant" |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:19 AM Response to Reply #8 |
20. Huh? |
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vadawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:22 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. lol the above post says why cant we describe people by achievments etc |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 02:28 PM Response to Reply #24 |
74. Do you say the white guy? |
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empyreanisles (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:17 AM Response to Original message |
16. No, it's not wrong. |
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dem629 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:19 AM Response to Original message |
21. No. |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:22 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Completely different situation.....and an intellectually dishonest argument. |
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dem629 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:23 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Why? The objection is the use of race as a descriptor, isn't it? |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:28 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. ....in situations when there is seemingly no reason to use it. |
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dem629 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:33 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. It's nothing more than an identifier. |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:42 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. People do lots of things, that doesn't mean they're the right things to do..... |
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dem629 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:45 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Agreed. If there was an actual harm here, I'd go along with the objection. |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #39 |
62. Well YOU'RE not offended so it's all in her head |
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dem629 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #62 |
65. Not at all. |
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vadawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:28 AM Response to Reply #28 |
32. bingo, i think you have it watson, is it only offensive if its used to describe something bad |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
29. Not Wrong, If Quick Descriptive Info Is Needed, But |
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Rockholm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:31 AM Response to Original message |
33. Nope. |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:46 AM Response to Reply #33 |
40. self-delete, responded to wrong post |
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quickesst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:42 AM Response to Original message |
37. Obvious idiocy and ignorance.... |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
42. Trumad, just reading some of these responses, it's clear that your point is being missed..... |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 09:43 AM Response to Reply #42 |
52. I know---but that's OK.... |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
43. Is this about the 911 call when the lady described the man in her |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
45. We live in a predominantly caucasian society. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 09:19 AM Response to Original message |
46. It depends |
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frustrated_lefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
47. Try negra on for size. |
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Justyce (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
48. If a black family was talking about their white neighbor & referred |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
49. No. The point of describing a person is to identify him or her. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 09:40 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Taking that one step further, |
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keep_it_real (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
50. A person's color can be descriptive |
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salguine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 09:46 AM Response to Original message |
53. Without exception, every one of my black friends refer to themselves as "black". |
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sammythecat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
57. It should be obvious that it depends on the situation |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
60. If a green Martian breaks into your home... |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
64. My kids will sometimes say "that person with the dark skin"... |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
71. (facepalm) |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. that's true and it's also true that it is awkward |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
72. People can call themselves what they like, but I wish our culture didn't use 'black' & 'white' |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
75. As with most things, it depends |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
76. Do you cringe if someone is referred to as White? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
80. Black and white were the PC terms when I was young, and so I have to |
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mudesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
81. How Else Can You Describe Someone? |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
82. depends on the context |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
83. If it's not relevant to the topic it is. |
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