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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 11:06 AM Original message |
Are the bailouts socialism or fascism ? |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
1. How about neither? |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 11:11 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Tell us more. |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #2 |
13. "Bailout" is not an accurate term. |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 01:15 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Excellent post ... |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
3. I don't see bailouts as constituting fascism. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 11:27 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. I'm talking about the bailouts... |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. If it's just the bailouts: No fascism here. Fascism is more than a bailout. |
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anaxarchos (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #3 |
12. Mussolini didn't mean "corporations" at all, in the sense that we understand the term. |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 11:52 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. I agree. Don't know what I said that made you think otherwise. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 12:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
20. And that famous quote may be famously fake. |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Agreed. Corporatism or "deep politics" |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 07:34 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Not at all |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 05:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. I get the gist of your argument. I think our differences arise from your italian, my german |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
4. Clearly, they are BOTH |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
5. Transfer of public money into private hands. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 11:29 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Is that a new definition? |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. no, I think you're right about fascism. |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 12:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
16. A form known as state monopoly capitalism... |
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anaxarchos (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
9. A century ago, it would have been called state capitalism |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
10. Those bailouts are the seedy underbelly of American corporatism |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
15. Niether. They're frightened politicians trying to appear to be "doing something". |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
17. The right has been desperately trying to conflate the two, so as to |
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corruptmewithpower (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
18. Economic Fascism |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. That first one may be a false quote |
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corruptmewithpower (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Got it online. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 03:52 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. I think the quote fairly accurately describes our present condition... |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. Cool. so we can agree. I'm with Orwell - |
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Fozzledick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
26. No |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
28. Depends on who you're bailing out... |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
29. Why do we need to pigeonhole everything into an "ism"? |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
30. They are corporate-state piracy. |
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Kip Humphrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
32. Its the wacky world of the circular political spectrum whose center is |
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