GOP Leader To Obama: Only Release Torture Docs That Could Prove Cheney Right

[babylonsister]

Another r/w box of rocks.

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/torture/gop-leader-to-obama-only-release-torture-docs-that-prove-cheney-right/

GOP Leader To Obama: Only Release Torture Docs That Could Prove Cheney Right


John Boehner and the House GOP leadership have adopted a new position on torture: The only classified info Obama should release about the torture program is that which could prove Dick Cheney’s claim that torture worked to be true.

This is not an exaggeration. It really is their position.

In a meeting at the White House between Congressional leaders and Obama late yesterday, Boehner pushed Obama to release unspecified documents detailing the intel yielded by torture, suggesting they could show torture had been effective, the Times reports.

Boehner elaborated in a statement on his Web site: “I asked the President today to release information about what these interrogation methods yielded, because the American people deserve to make their judgments about this national security matter based on the full set of facts.”

As you know, Cheney has also asked the CIA to declassify memos that detail the same thing.

But Boehner has also repeatedly attacked Obama for releasing the torture memos detailing the actual techniques used, claiming that this compromised our safety. Just yesterday, hours before meeting with Obama, Boehner hammered the memo release as “the latest example of the administration’s disarray when it comes to national security.”

Do any documents actually exist that detail the fruits of torture, but not the techniques used? Who knows, but either way, Boehner’s actual position is that Obama should only release classified info about the torture program that could prove Cheney right.

[Blue_Roses]

1. this guy is such and idiot...

:eyes:

[Andy823]

2. I also wonder

If there are any documents that exist proving Cheney is right. If there isn't any, the republicans will just keep saying there is and trying to make it look like a political game being played. We all know Cheney's reputation for lying and trying lay the blame for things on the democrats. If there were such documents, then I wonder why they were not released long ago when the issue first came up, when Bush was president, in order to "prove" these tactics were working and gaining good solid information. The track recored of Bush and Cheney would seem to point to "NO" documents to prove torture worked, and it's all just another tactic by the republicans to get their base all worked up.

[Old and In the Way]

4. If toture worked in thwarting a terrorist act, you can believe it would have been leaked.

Any administration that lies about a casus belli and outs CIA agents would have no qualms about getting examples of successful torture investigations released to bolster their case. They didn't have any, so we can assume that's why we haven't seen any.

[XOKCowboy]

7. Darn good point!

If they'd ever gotten any actionable intelligence through torture it'd been all over Fox News and the WSJ editorial page the next morning.

[TahitiNut]

8. All the "successes" are filed where the WMD found in Iraq are stored.

Up Cheney's rectum "undisclosed location."

:puke:

[Johonny]

9. Well they got information

So I imagine you could produce a set of documents that made Cheney look right. The basic stance by Cheney is that it worked. They received information. The problem that has been pointed out by the intelligence community is not that torture doesn't yield information or even valuable information. It's that it produces tons of crap information and turns the suspect against you leading to no further relationship with which to yield more information. Worse the good information that comes from torturing the suspect most likely would have been yielded by other methods. So Cheney can say torture got them information, what he can't say and what no document will ever prove is that torture was more effective at yielding this information than the current best methods used by our intelligence agencies. Funny enough our best intelligence agents have been trying to push for a while now that these methods don't work, aren't best practice and were not needed. Who are you going to believe the agencies that do this for a living or Dick Cheney. I

[stubtoe]

3. Oh for Pete's sake.

OTH, they're getting desperate and it shows.

[Bonhomme Richard]

5. Whether they worked is a moot point. What I want.........

released is when they got good intel using traditional interrogation techniques. Non-torture.

[TahitiNut]

6. "torture worked" means "led to the arrest" of innocent people who were, in turn, tortured.

The Cheney/Bush cabal is the MOST corrupt and criminal in this nation's history, bar none. Their continued lies and corruption is a national shame. If I were tortured even close to the degree they tortured KSM, I'd no doubt turn in family, neighbors, classmates and anyone else I was asked to lie about.

Torquemada would fit in well. :puke:

[Supersedeas]

10. so all of the hundreds of examples of torture that yielded NOTHING, keep hush-hush about that.