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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 09:09 PM
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Tough Day for Credit Card Companies (updated)
Edited on Tue May-19-09 09:14 PM by ProSense

Tough Day for Credit Card Companies

By Paul Blumenthal

It’s a tough day for the credit card industry. In spite of all the lobbying spending ($9,170,573 in 2009) and all those campaign contributions ($7,367,066 in 2008), they couldn’t prevent a landslide loss in Washington. Today, the Senate approved a bill to place regulations on the credit card industry for the first time in decades by a vote of 90-5. The House approved the bill last week by a lopsided 357-70 margin.

There are very few measures in influence when looking at such a lopsided victory, particularly on what would once have been an uphill battle against the credit lobby. All three lawmakers representing Delaware, that little slice of bank heaven, voted for final passage of the bill. The only ones staying true to their contributors and constituents were the three South Dakotans in Congress.

South Dakota is a special case. What peaches are to Georgia, credit cards are to South Dakota. (Watch this PBS Frontline report for the full history.) Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin and Sen. Tim Johnson, both of South Dakota, were the only two Democrats to oppose the bill. Johnson received $349,800 from finance and credit companies over the course of his career, with nearly half of that ($154,350) coming from 2007-2008. Herseth Sandlin has not received a significant amount of money from the credit card companies. I’m sure she received enough phone calls from credit card employees in her state to convince her though.

Despite the epic loss for the industry, the credit cards did have a few important victories. According to CBS News, “the American Financial Services Association urged all U.S. senators to oppose all rate caps and so far they have been successful.” So, there’s that.

All in all, a tough day for a big time lobbying player. As a holder credit card debt myself, I can assure that Americans don’t share their grief. When credit card lobbyist Bill Himpler says, “To our critics? You know, I’m not going to say anything,” it’s because he knows better than to say anything at all.


Updated to add:

Changing Credit: Highlights of the Senate Credit-Card Bill

Here are the major elements of Senate credit-card bill, just passed by the Senate and likely to be adopted by House.

Existing balances: Issuers cannot retroactively change the rate on an existing balance unless the account is 60 days delinquent.

Payments: A consumer payment above the minimum applies first to the balance with the highest rate.

Teaser rates: Issuers cannot raise rates for the first year after an account opened. Promotional rates must last at least six months.

Bills: Issuers must send a bill 21 days before the due date.

Over limit: Issuers cannot charge over-limit fees on credit cards unless the consumer has signed up to allow such transactions.

Minors: For consumers under 21 years old, a company must get the signature of a parent or another to take responsibility for the debt, or it must obtain proof that the under-21 consumer can repay credit.

Disclosure: Cardholders must get 45 days notice of change in terms.

Fees: Issuers cannot charge fees to pay by mail, phone, and electronic transfer or online, except for expedited service.

Gift cards: All gift cards must have at least a five-year life.




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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 09:16 PM
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1. Tough?!
They got what they wanted, a bill that leaves their current high interest rates UNTOUCHED, and 9 freakin months to institute the new regulations.

Yes there were a few things that are a step in the right direction, but that bill does NOTHING to help those struggling with the loan shark interest rates that are already in place.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 09:20 PM
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4. Are you talking about the struggling who run up credit card debts or
those who need relief covered by other measures that are being passed and considered, including health care reform?

Yes, it was a tough day for credit card companies. They can still raise rates, but there are limits to what they can do on other predatory fronts.

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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 09:25 PM
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6. Dance all you want, but the fact remains
This bill does NOTHING about existing 30-40% interest rates.

At a time when the banks get money at 0% from the Fed, thats criminal.

Sorry, but this is NOT a piece of legislation to be proud of.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 09:28 PM
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9. I find it to be a great start
Edited on Tue May-19-09 09:32 PM by ProSense
Then again, I don't rely on credit cards. It's interesting to me that so many people who hate banks and credit card companies seem so dependent on them.





edited typo.

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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 09:26 PM
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7. the corporate appeasement of the obama administration marches on!
people who consider this legislation to be "tough" on card companies have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

and obama is doing everything right to become the first one-term president of the 21st century.
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tonycinla Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 09:19 PM
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2. Are you kidding?
The changes were practically meaningless in the grand scheme of things.The companies have plenty of time to adjust and come up with more sneaky tactics.It will probably hurt the lower classes the worst because they simply will not be able to get credit.Friend,you can never beat the house in the long run and the long run is the only run that really counts.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 09:22 PM
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5. No, but the Sunlight Foundation might be.
"The companies have plenty of time to adjust and come up with more sneaky tactics."

Chronic complainer, huh? Good grief.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 09:20 PM
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3. Are the usury rates still condoned?
What is the maximum interest rate allowed?
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 09:28 PM
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8. What is the maximum interest rate allowed?- whatever the market wil bear, of course.
usury? what's that...? :shrug: a quaint idea from times past?
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 09:32 PM
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11. whatever the market will bear...
yes, those self-regulating markets are of such comfort to me
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 10:59 PM
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21. That Existing Balances provision will go a long way toward stemming the usury rates
That's where they get you - they trick you into paying late once and then your existing balance goes to 30%. No more. That's fantastic!
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WillowTree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 09:31 PM
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10. They'll make up for it by charging interest on all purchases from Day One.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 10:33 PM
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20. they already do that if you are carrying a balance
they wouldn't want to do it for everybody, because they would lose a lot of business that way.
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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 09:47 PM
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12. to all the naysayers who expect some f***ing monumental change...
TODAY was a BETTER DAY than yesterday for us consumers...

not the best we could expect, let alone hope for...but a better f***ing day...

sorry your maximum victory was not accomplished...so tear down any inroads that were made...

the delusion of the maximum-change-in-minimum-time crowd is amusing, at best...

this political machine will not change course abruptly, and you need to find victories where, and how, you can...
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 10:09 PM
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16. settling for any type of "victory" is a result
of the lowered expectations that have been shoved down our throats...

being happy about receiving crumbs falling from the corporate plate doesn't quite work for me

to each their own, I suppose
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 10:28 PM
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18. +1 This are fairly significant changes
There have been a TON of complaints on DU about people having the interest rate raised retroactively on their balance and/or having it jacked up for no good reason - no history of late payments etc. This is now illegal, among other things. There are other changes I'd like to see, but this is a good and significant start.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 09:50 PM
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13. tough?!?!
:rofl:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 10:00 PM
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14. Yes, they like their profits and at least one of them isn't laughing:
Edited on Tue May-19-09 10:00 PM by ProSense
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 08:38 AM
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24. so from the crowd who nearly wrecked the country --
from who we have never extracted reponsibility or an apology -- you believe them?

-- have i got some land on the moon for you.

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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 10:08 PM
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15. I can't call it "tough" when they left the usurious interest rates untouched.
All they did was tinker around the edges a little bit. Until they address the main issue, I'm not going to consider it credit card reform.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 10:14 PM
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17. Why does everyone think they deserve cheap loans without any collateral?
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earthworship Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 10:33 PM
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19. Boo Hoo, just gonna have to up the bribery money
Now that the Republicans in the WH are gone, their benefactors will not be able to help them oout.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 01:25 AM
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22. thanks for trying to be positive
I think there are some good provisions in there, something like this:

"Payments: A consumer payment above the minimum applies first to the balance with the highest rate."

is certainly better for the consumer than for the banks.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 01:28 AM
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23. glad to see credit card companies are already
spreading the message of how badly they are getting screw over for the sake of the american people, ha ha ha.

its like dealin with a car sales man who knocks off 100 bucks and proclaims how badly ur breakin' his balls because ur gettin such a great deal...
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 08:45 AM
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25. here the credit card companies get the people to
bray for them about how badly they -- the credit card companies -- are being treated.
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2Nurselady Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 08:50 AM
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26. A Long Time Coming!
People should not have to pay to make a payment! Nor should credit card companies be allowed to raise interest rates or impose fee upon fee for every possible little thing. What a racket! The CEOs ought to be brought up on racketeering charges, IMO!

The senate did the RIGHT thing to take hold of these credit card companies that find every possible way to gouge consumers.
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trayfoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 09:38 AM
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27. Without cap limits, the consumer will still be screwed!
And until that happens, I won't be using anything but my debit card.
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