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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 11:05 PM
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History of corporate healthcare
Edited on Tue May-19-09 11:12 PM by undergroundpanther
As long as Washington remains wedded to the illusion that market-based medicine will cure health care's woes, tens of billions of dollars a year will continue to vanish in waste, inefficiency, fraud, and in profits to companies that make money by denying care.
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"It's horribly ironic," said Paul Menzel, a professor of philosophy at Pacific Lutheran University in Tacoma, Wash. The care of the poor once was supported by the wealthy and the insured, but now the opposite is happening, he said

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Although the "managed care" industry is quick to defend its actions with high-sounding justifications, their claims break down under examination. For example, can they really support the argument that the effects of "managed care" are necessary for the "good of society." What does this mean? Who should decide this? Can this be appropriately determined by the entity who stands to benefit the most from an economic definition of this "good"?

The systemic ethical problems in managed care require urgent correction in several areas: the monitoring of denials of care; the elimination of certain contracting arrangements with physicians; the requirement for full disclosures of financial arrangements, cost-cutting strategies, and consumer information; the development of open and reported grievance procedures; and the mandate of ethical guides and processes. How could the industry object? After all, this is just a way for "managed care" to apply its own processes of "quality management" and "outcome analysis" to itself?

Nothing less than the life and well-being of our society depends upon this. We have gone too far under our current system called "managed care." How much more harm and death must occur before we have the courage to do something about it?


Eye opening to say the least..Take some time reading this site! Click around!

http://www.uow.edu.au/arts/sts/bmartin/dissent/documents/health/corporate_overview.html

http://www.uow.edu.au/arts/sts/bmartin/dissent/documents
/health/grips_health.html
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III. ETHICS FROM THE FRONTLINES

I wish to begin by making a public confession: In the spring of 1987, as a physician, I caused the death of a man.

Although this was known to many people, I have not been taken before any court of law or called to account for this in any professional or public forum. In fact, just the opposite occurred: I was "rewarded" for this. It bought me an improved reputation in my job, and contributed to my advancement afterwards. Not only did I demonstrate I could indeed do what was expected of me, I exemplified the "good" company doctor: I saved a half million dollars!

Since that day, I have lived with this act, and many others, eating into my heart and soul. For me, a physician is a professional charged with the care, or healing, of his or her fellow human beings. The primary ethical norm is: do no harm. I did worse: I caused a death. Instead of using a clumsy, bloody weapon, I used the simplest, cleanest of tools: my words. The man died because I denied him a necessary operation to save his heart. I felt little pain or remorse at the time. The man's faceless distance soothed my conscience. Like a skilled soldier, I was trained for this moment. When any moral qualms arose, I was to remember: I am not denying care; I am only denying payment.

http://www.nomanagedcare.org/DrPeenotestimony.html

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lostnotforgotten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 11:06 PM
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1. Now, Now - Mr. "O" Says Single Payer Is Off the Table
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 11:18 PM
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4. Mr.O
Has IMO questionable understanding of ethics and human rights.
He withholds the torture memos like a hypocrite,won't prosecute torturers,won't close gitmo,he excludes single payer from the discussion WHY? Is he wedded to corporate and"private" interests like every other politician seems to be?..If he keeps doing this sort of shit he'll be a DINO if he goes past the DINO stage we might as well admit we are owned by corporations and we have to get rid of capitalism.And put a stake through the paper psychopath vampires profiteering cold heart..
Capitalism BTW is not humane and it is not even human or alive.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 11:07 PM
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2. Oh, yeah...
It's a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned.

Don't worry, panther, I've got your back on healthcare. I think this capitulation is a fucking vomit-fest.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 11:25 PM
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5. Umm
I agree but I think I'll pass on the "vomit fest",and stay far,far away because ,I'm emetiphobic.
http://www.emetophobia.org/default.asp

I swear these fucking corporations need to be shut down or kept on a VERY tight leash.Lobbyists for corporations need to fucking get out.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 11:08 PM
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3. Yes, it will be an uphill battle to get the will of the people to be heard for
Edited on Tue May-19-09 11:09 PM by Cleita
sensible, single payer universal health care to happen.

:hi:
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 04:47 AM
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6. "managed care" is a PR term that hides the truth about the current system . . .
the goal of "managed care" has nothing to do with the provision of quality healthcare . . . its goal is to maximize corporate profits, and that's accomplished by denying as many claims as possible while collecting the highest premiums they can get away with . . . "managed care" might better be termed "profit maximization" -- at least it's accurate . . .
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 07:07 AM
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7. K&R
:kick:
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 08:29 AM
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8. K&R'd -- pls, everyone do this.
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 08:38 AM
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9. K&R
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 08:47 AM
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10. Too bad we do NOT live in a "free" country that has representatives to...
Actually represent our best interests.

Fucking politicians, who are bought off by the insurance, pharmaceutical, and health industries, do NOT represent our best interests.

All other politicians CAN do something about it, but only if they would call out those who are not representing our best interest. Those who want to do good, should band together, and start naming all those who are in the pockets of the insurance, pharmaceutical, and health industries. Yes they can get their voice out, but only if they have the WILL to have it heard.
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:23 AM
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11. The Wyden/Bennett /Alexander/et al Mandatory Insurance plan will CRUSH the middle class within 5 ...
Edited on Wed May-20-09 10:35 AM by Faryn Balyncd



... to 10 years.


Without competition from a public option (such as the option to opt-in to Medicare)skyrocketing insurance rates will rise as exponentially, just as drug prices skyrocketed after the industry written 2005 Medicare Prescription Drug "benefit".

But middle class and blue collar Americans will be saddled FOREVER with a MANDATE to purchase insurance, premiums for which will go through the roof.

And in order to label the bill "revenue neutral" by 2014 by the CBO, subsidies by the feds are scheduled to DECLINE, which will increasingly transform the bill into the most massive UNFUNDED MANDATE in history, with the middle and working class holding the bag.



Interestingly, the 10 Democrats that sided with the Republicans to pass the 2005 Bush/Cheney Medicare Prescription Drug "benefit"---- Baucus, Zell Miller, Wyden, Landrieu, John Breaux, Lincoln, Carper, Conrad, Dorgan, Feinstein ----- include those that are attempting to abandon Obama's promised PUBLIC OPTION (and campaign promise of no purchase mandate)to create an insurance industry dream ------ MANDATORY INSURANCE PURCHASE with NO PUBLIC OPTION competition.

The sad reality is that without competition from a public plan, attempts to hold down healthcare costs will be castrated, and with insurance mandated, premiums inflation will accelerate, a future (perhaps even right wing) Congress and/or administration will face immense pressure to freeze or slash any subsidies that are initially offered as bait to fool the public into thinking they are not being screwed.

And the American middle class will be left with a CRUSHING unfunded mandate.












".....The Wyden-Bennett plan is designed in such a way that the health benefits the insurance plans would cover, as well as some of the subsidies to help people purchase health insurance, would erode each year, with the erosion likely to become substantial over time. These features of the plan lower its overall cost and constrain growth in health care spending. They help permit the plan to be roughly budget-neutral by 2014, according to CBO and the Joint Committee on Taxation. But they also would likely have some adverse side-effects. For low- and moderate-income people in particular, the steady erosion in the benefits packages and the subsidies could result over time in such individuals being enrolled in health insurance plans with significant and growing gaps in coverage that these individuals could not afford to fill."

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=674
















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