Raise your hand if you've ever done something crazy

[rucky]

Now raise your other hand if you're mentally ill.

Now raise both feet, as I paraphrase Jimmy Buffet

"If we weren't crazy, we'd all go insane"

So everybody who called Roeder crazy for doing what he did is right, and very very very few people here are trying to minimize his crime.

Now cluck like a chicken. :evilgrin:

[no_hypocrisy]

1. Define crazy more specifically.

Mentally ill is speculative and general.

[rucky]

2. Mentally Ill is clinical

Crazy is speculative and general.

[no_hypocrisy]

5. Okay.

I'm still on the sidelines with clinical though. Not too long ago, homosexuality was defined as a mental illness and several sexual exchanges defined as depravity. It depends on the social mores of the era.

[rucky]

7. If it's in the DSM it's mental illness

and even then, it may not be, but it'll be indicated as such in there.

Clinical psychologists have developed a better standard than social mores dictate. It's not perfect, but given our understanding of the brain...

I just really think we need a clear distinction between "crazy" and "mentally ill", or society will never take mental illness as seriously as it should.

[cloudbase]

3. It's only crazy

if I don't do it.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

4. Roeder isn't crazy,

and I'm gonna go batshit if he gets to assert an insanity defense.

He planned this for a long, long time. He left a cybertrail. He is no crazier than any of us.

He planned it and he carried it out, without a hitch. He did what he said he would do, and no one thought to alert the authorities or to try to stop him.

Crazy?

No.

Evil?

Yes.....................

[sandnsea]

6. Insane people can do that

Actually, it's one of the reasons hate radio needs to take a look at itself. Mentally ill people can be influenced to do all kinds of things.

My sil's brother was convinced he needed to come to Oregon to protect Obama last August. He had a whole crazy CIA scenario going on in his head. If he'd plotted a murder, would that somehow make him not mentally ill? He has schizophrenia from MS lesions on his brain.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

13. I know .......

But your brother didn't do it, did he? And he's got an organic mental illness. I haven't seen anything yet that indicates that Roeder is similarly afflicted.

A whole different world.

The magic is in the execution of the plan, and that's what I'm betting on ..................

[sandnsea]

20. We don't know either way

until he's examined by a psychiatrist and his entire history is actually looked at.

The thing is, whether he's mentally ill or not, he still chose his target because of the hate talk of Army of God, hate radio, Fox, and all those people. They still need to be held accountable for what they set into motion. That doesn't change no matter what this guy's story is.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

21. We'll never know ...........

Give me the right to choose the shrink, and I'll get YOU declared insane after an examination.

It's all so rigged - I hate to admit that, but there are pure "testimony whores" who will always come up with the preferred diagnosis.

I think the guy's nuts, but not to the point where he is not wholly competent to understand the results of his actions.

He fails the legal definition of criminally insane.

But now we are at the most interesting juncture where free speech meets the most hateful of hate speech...................

[sandnsea]

22. Oh come now

Most people at DU would happily declare me insane with no examination at all!

It upsets me that people are making such declarative statements about something as serious as both mental illness and the insanity defense. I understand your point about testimony whores, but based on how few insanity pleas actually "work" these days, I don't think it's as easy as some people might believe.

I still wish we had a different kind of justice system where people with a mental illness are sent to a quality mental facility and spend their incarceration at that place. I think most people would be surprised how full it would be and how empty the prisons would be.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

23. I agree ...........

The mental health defense is about the most complicated and most troubling aspects of our legal system. And, yes, there are an awful lot of mentally ill people who are called "prisoners" today, which is all wrong ....................................

[Dogtown]

11. Tangerine LaBamba

Must we always agree?



:hi:

[Tangerine LaBamba]

14. Yes, it is written,

and God told me that this is how it must be.

Oh, and I'm nuts!

Hiya, pal ............... :hi:

[Dogtown]

16. Got to scoot

I'd like to add that it's extremely important that he doesn't get the 'lone gunman' treatment.

He's affiliated, and all involved share his guilt.

I'll look for you tomorrow. Maybe we can gossip.

:lol:

[Tangerine LaBamba]

17. Excellent!

Be safe............................

[EvolveOrConvolve]

8. I once voted for a Republican

If that doesn't define crazy, I don't know what would.

Goddamn, I feel like I'm at a 12 step meeting. "My name is EorC and I used to be a registered Republican."

[rucky]

9. Get the straight jacket, Skinner!

we've got a live one

:)

[EvolveOrConvolve]

10. It took years of counseling and some serious meds, but I'm all cured

No need to bring out the big guns. :)

[blogslut]

12. There are personality disorders

...and then there are people who have crossed the line into schizophrenia. There are also people who suffer temporary psychotic breaks.

There are reports that Roeder was treated in the past for mental illness:

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/tiller_suspect_suffered_from_mental_illness.php

We do not know what his diagnosis was. However, I seriously doubt he could have been a long-time functioning member of any community if he were indeed, diagnosed with something like paranoid schizophrenia - and went without treatment/medication.

Mental illness as a defense is rarely successful because the defendant must be so clinically ill that they were/are unable to distinguish right from wrong.

[cliffordu]

15. He's going to give all of us "mennal defectives" a bad name....

IT's OK, though, cause that means everyone will be scared and leave us alone...



(And, for the hard of cynicism, :sarcasm:)


Clucketty fucking cluck.

NOW I hope you're happy.

:evilgrin:

[Fla_Democrat]

18. ok, but don't tell nobody

:hi: :hi: :rofl:

Hmmm, 'other hand' is tough... maybe.... :bounce: :shrug:

[Gabi Hayes]

19. If Jeffrey Dahmer wasn't crazy, NOBODY ever was, legally speaking.

ever